The "S**t Driving Caught On Cam" Thread (Vol 5)
Discussion
markyb_lcy said:
lyonspride said:
hyphen said:
Gotta love the anti-cyclist bias from the media yet again......."penny-farthing rider smashes into delivery van"
It’s blatantly the cyclist’s dumbass fault this happened. There’s no bias required to come to that conclusion.
Can’t tell if the van indicates as they should but it doesn’t really change the attribution of blame imo.
Edited by markyb_lcy on Thursday 31st December 00:43
There's a lot of anti-cyclist bias out there, but this is off the scale.
markyb_lcy said:
lyonspride said:
hyphen said:
Gotta love the anti-cyclist bias from the media yet again......."penny-farthing rider smashes into delivery van"
It’s blatantly the cyclist’s dumbass fault this happened. There’s no bias required to come to that conclusion.
Can’t tell if the van indicates as they should but it doesn’t really change the attribution of blame imo.
Edited by markyb_lcy on Thursday 31st December 00:43
As someone who often moans about cyclists, I have no idea how the cyclist could be given any blame, the van turned across his path and caused the collision.
As a side note I’ve not seen a penny farthing for years, someone in the town I grew up in rode around on one (early 00s), I think since that I’ve only seen a handful and not for years,
jamei303 said:
The cyclist appears unable to brake or steer. If the van was a child it would probably be dead.
The cyclist does steer - the natural reaction to seeing a large vehicle approach on a collision course is to move away from it. Van coming from his right, so steers left. No idea on how good the brakes are on a penny farthing, but I don't think you could have stopped a "normal" bike in that time/distance anyway. Children rarely make unsignalled right turns across busy roads, so that's a relief for you.
markyb_lcy said:
It’s blatantly the cyclist’s dumbass fault this happened. There’s no bias required to come to that conclusion.
do you know the highway code ??? if you were driving on a main road and i suddenly turned right and crossed the lane you were in and you hit me ... ...would that be your fault or mine ???
black line represents the penny farthing ...red line was the DPD van
edit actually looking at the video its made me f
king angry ..the DPD van cuts the junction on the wrong side of the road , thats got to be driving without due care 
Edited by DBSV8 on Thursday 31st December 09:40
Edited by DBSV8 on Thursday 31st December 09:48
DBSV8 said:
markyb_lcy said:
It’s blatantly the cyclist’s dumbass fault this happened. There’s no bias required to come to that conclusion.
do you know the highway code ??? if you were driving on a main road and i suddenly turned right and crossed the lane you were in and you hit me ... ...would that be your fault or mine ???black line represents the penny farthing ...red line was the DPD van
saaby93 said:
DBSV8 said:
markyb_lcy said:
It’s blatantly the cyclist’s dumbass fault this happened. There’s no bias required to come to that conclusion.
do you know the highway code ??? if you were driving on a main road and i suddenly turned right and crossed the lane you were in and you hit me ... ...would that be your fault or mine ???black line represents the penny farthing ...red line was the DPD van
Edited by DBSV8 on Thursday 31st December 09:54
Two entirely separate issues here:
(1) Van driver not looking where he is going, or wrongly thought he had just time to turn in front of bike - van 100% to blame for accident.
(2) Cyclist choosing to ride an unsuitable bike for crowded streets (poor/no brakes and hard to steer). You might think that makes him an idiot, but still not responsible for this collision. He wasn't exactly invisible.
(1) Van driver not looking where he is going, or wrongly thought he had just time to turn in front of bike - van 100% to blame for accident.
(2) Cyclist choosing to ride an unsuitable bike for crowded streets (poor/no brakes and hard to steer). You might think that makes him an idiot, but still not responsible for this collision. He wasn't exactly invisible.
markyb_lcy said:
The bike wasn’t in a “lane” though, they were riding on the pavement, and then they came to cross a road, one which they didn’t slow down for.
The van is already making the turn when the bike begins to cross the road.
I’m struggling with this bit, the van is making the turn across the bikers path. The van is already making the turn when the bike begins to cross the road.
The bike was riding on the road, he swerved left (a natural reaction as an earlier poster commented) when the van turns out across his path.
markyb_lcy said:
The bike wasn’t in a “lane” though, they were riding on the pavement, and then they came to cross a road, one which they didn’t slow down for.
The van is already making the turn when the bike begins to cross the road.
You can see clearly on that last still in your post that the bicycle is crossing a road, not continuing in a lane on the major road.
The bike was quite clearly riding on the road. The van is already making the turn when the bike begins to cross the road.
You can see clearly on that last still in your post that the bicycle is crossing a road, not continuing in a lane on the major road.
The van had no right to make that turn with traffic oncoming.
Are you sure you're watching the same video as everyone else?
carlove said:
markyb_lcy said:
The bike wasn’t in a “lane” though, they were riding on the pavement, and then they came to cross a road, one which they didn’t slow down for.
The van is already making the turn when the bike begins to cross the road.
I’m struggling with this bit, the van is making the turn across the bikers path. The van is already making the turn when the bike begins to cross the road.
The bike was riding on the road, he swerved left (a natural reaction as an earlier poster commented) when the van turns out across his path.
markyb_lcy said:
carlove said:
markyb_lcy said:
The bike wasn’t in a “lane” though, they were riding on the pavement, and then they came to cross a road, one which they didn’t slow down for.
The van is already making the turn when the bike begins to cross the road.
I’m struggling with this bit, the van is making the turn across the bikers path. The van is already making the turn when the bike begins to cross the road.
The bike was riding on the road, he swerved left (a natural reaction as an earlier poster commented) when the van turns out across his path.
Natural reaction is to swerve away from the danger, and as it was coming from the right, left is away from the danger. In the heat of the moment and a natural reflex most of us would be doing the same thing.
I feel for the penny farthing rider, he didn’t need to swerve at all, but those reflexes kicked in. They can’t be cheap to repair or buy I imagine.
carlove said:
I agree there, but it’s easy saying that from watching the video.
Natural reaction is to swerve away from the danger, and as it was coming from the right, left is away from the danger. In the heat of the moment and a natural reflex most of us would be doing the same thing.
I feel for the penny farthing rider, he didn’t need to swerve at all, but those reflexes kicked in. They can’t be cheap to repair or buy I imagine.
Indeed. If I was going to ride one of these ridiculous things, I think Stoke Newington (as anyone who has driven there would likely agree) would be pretty low on the list. We don’t know if it had brakes or not but if it doesn’t, it’s pretty suicidal.Natural reaction is to swerve away from the danger, and as it was coming from the right, left is away from the danger. In the heat of the moment and a natural reflex most of us would be doing the same thing.
I feel for the penny farthing rider, he didn’t need to swerve at all, but those reflexes kicked in. They can’t be cheap to repair or buy I imagine.
jamei303 said:
saaby93 said:
The brakes on a penny farthing are the pedals - you stand on them to stop them going round.
It also needs an actual brake to be legal to ride on the roads.See 7 (1)(b)(i)
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1983/1176/pdfs...
Legal or not, I've witnessed terrible stopping distances on a penny farthing and would not entertain riding one on a road.
Edited by NGRhodes on Thursday 31st December 11:29
markyb_lcy said:
carlove said:
markyb_lcy said:
The bike wasn’t in a “lane” though, they were riding on the pavement, and then they came to cross a road, one which they didn’t slow down for.
The van is already making the turn when the bike begins to cross the road.
I’m struggling with this bit, the van is making the turn across the bikers path. The van is already making the turn when the bike begins to cross the road.
The bike was riding on the road, he swerved left (a natural reaction as an earlier poster commented) when the van turns out across his path.
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