Ped gets 3 years for manslaughter of cyclist hit by car…
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The Three D Mucketeer said:
I had a cyclist spit on my face through my window !
For balance
To drive a car on the road you need to pass a test , have insurance and pay VED . After a certain age you need to sign you are physically able to drive and at 90 years old I think you need a Doctors certificate .
What do you need to be lawful riding a cycle ? and now with battery assist you don't even need to pedal .
That's because motorists kill or seriously injure 85 people every day and cause £12 billion of damage every year. Meanwhile you're more likely to be killed by a bee than a cyclist. Regulation is quite rightly related to risk. For balance
To drive a car on the road you need to pass a test , have insurance and pay VED . After a certain age you need to sign you are physically able to drive and at 90 years old I think you need a Doctors certificate .
What do you need to be lawful riding a cycle ? and now with battery assist you don't even need to pedal .
Edited by The Three D Mucketeer on Thursday 9th May 15:22
The Three D Mucketeer said:
I had a cyclist spit on my face through my window !
For balance
To drive a car on the road you need to pass a test , have insurance and pay VED . After a certain age you need to sign you are physically able to drive and at 90 years old I think you need a Doctors certificate .
What do you need to be lawful riding a cycle ? and now with battery assist you don't even need to pedal .
You do not have to pay VED. VED is linked to your vehicle's emissions, and the rate for a zero emissions vehicle is nil. For balance
To drive a car on the road you need to pass a test , have insurance and pay VED . After a certain age you need to sign you are physically able to drive and at 90 years old I think you need a Doctors certificate .
What do you need to be lawful riding a cycle ? and now with battery assist you don't even need to pedal .
Edited by The Three D Mucketeer on Thursday 9th May 15:22
I think most people who are not physically able to drive a car would struggle more with a bike.
With battery assist you do need to pedal. An electrically propelled pedal cycle has to be type approved (and therefore subject to registration and insurance etc) if it can be propelled without pedalling.
The Three D Mucketeer said:
J4CKO said:
heebeegeetee said:
The Three D Mucketeer said:
I could make cycling very safe...
Just ban them from the roads.
Yep, in a country that already restricts freedom and choice of travel very much, let's restrict it further. Just ban them from the roads.
Doesn't add up to me, should be encouraging bicycle use, it wasnt me in the way in the town centre, it was queues of cars, would have taken longer in the car, involved finding a parking space, paying for parking, walking in between, queuing up, the moaners should really give it a go.
Its just a case of picking the right tool for the job in hand, which in this case wasn't a car, thus not contributing to, or becoming embroiled in the gridlock in the town centre.
Another one of those things, like EV's where a hill has been chosen to die on, in this case the ridiculous assertion that cycling should not be allowed on roads, I dont think cycling has ever been banned anywhere, so its unlikely, especially when its part of the governments strategy and emissions targets.
I dont cycle for that, I do it as its useful, and can be quite enjoyable, doing 20,30,40 or more miles under your own steam I find quite satisfying.
J4CKO said:
The Three D Mucketeer said:
J4CKO said:
heebeegeetee said:
The Three D Mucketeer said:
I could make cycling very safe...
Just ban them from the roads.
Yep, in a country that already restricts freedom and choice of travel very much, let's restrict it further. Just ban them from the roads.
Doesn't add up to me, should be encouraging bicycle use, it wasnt me in the way in the town centre, it was queues of cars, would have taken longer in the car, involved finding a parking space, paying for parking, walking in between, queuing up, the moaners should really give it a go.
Its just a case of picking the right tool for the job in hand, which in this case wasn't a car, thus not contributing to, or becoming embroiled in the gridlock in the town centre.
Another one of those things, like EV's where a hill has been chosen to die on, in this case the ridiculous assertion that cycling should not be allowed on roads, I dont think cycling has ever been banned anywhere, so its unlikely, especially when its part of the governments strategy and emissions targets.
I dont cycle for that, I do it as its useful, and can be quite enjoyable, doing 20,30,40 or more miles under your own steam I find quite satisfying.
I reckon about 8% of drivers have no road sense. I came to this conclusion over years, and had much evidence to support it. Eight out of a hundred might not sound many, but I'd be passed on the road by a few hundred cars on my way to work.
I've been attacked by a colonel Blimp-type chap upset about the law allowing cycling on bridleways. He tried to hit me with a walking stick. I reckon he drove a car as well.
I was at the peak of fitness, and this at the age of 50. It felt good. I had a number of off-road routes I could use for work, and normally picked one with steep hills.
I enjoyed cycling about as much as I enjoyed driving my TVR.
Derek Smith said:
J4CKO said:
The Three D Mucketeer said:
J4CKO said:
heebeegeetee said:
The Three D Mucketeer said:
I could make cycling very safe...
Just ban them from the roads.
Yep, in a country that already restricts freedom and choice of travel very much, let's restrict it further. Just ban them from the roads.
Doesn't add up to me, should be encouraging bicycle use, it wasnt me in the way in the town centre, it was queues of cars, would have taken longer in the car, involved finding a parking space, paying for parking, walking in between, queuing up, the moaners should really give it a go.
Its just a case of picking the right tool for the job in hand, which in this case wasn't a car, thus not contributing to, or becoming embroiled in the gridlock in the town centre.
Another one of those things, like EV's where a hill has been chosen to die on, in this case the ridiculous assertion that cycling should not be allowed on roads, I dont think cycling has ever been banned anywhere, so its unlikely, especially when its part of the governments strategy and emissions targets.
I dont cycle for that, I do it as its useful, and can be quite enjoyable, doing 20,30,40 or more miles under your own steam I find quite satisfying.
I reckon about 8% of drivers have no road sense. I came to this conclusion over years, and had much evidence to support it. Eight out of a hundred might not sound many, but I'd be passed on the road by a few hundred cars on my way to work.
I've been attacked by a colonel Blimp-type chap upset about the law allowing cycling on bridleways. He tried to hit me with a walking stick. I reckon he drove a car as well.
I was at the peak of fitness, and this at the age of 50. It felt good. I had a number of off-road routes I could use for work, and normally picked one with steep hills.
I enjoyed cycling about as much as I enjoyed driving my TVR.
Been out twice today, just for shopping duties.
You are more vulnerable, and I think people tend to behave the same whatever they are doing or are in control of.
The Three D Mucketeer said:
I had a cyclist spit on my face through my window !
For balance
To drive a car on the road you need to pass a test , have insurance and pay VED . After a certain age you need to sign you are physically able to drive and at 90 years old I think you need a Doctors certificate .
What do you need to be lawful riding a cycle ? and now with battery assist you don't even need to pedal .
If I were you, I would just stop now, before you really say something stupid - Oh, hang on, that happened a few posts ago.For balance
To drive a car on the road you need to pass a test , have insurance and pay VED . After a certain age you need to sign you are physically able to drive and at 90 years old I think you need a Doctors certificate .
What do you need to be lawful riding a cycle ? and now with battery assist you don't even need to pedal .
Edited by The Three D Mucketeer on Thursday 9th May 15:22
Vanden Saab said:
She did not touch her, therefore no case to answer. It is very clear if you have read the judges decision. As the judges say waving your arms is not a criminal offence or everybody who goes to a football match would be charged with assault.
Have just seen the comments by Martin Porter KC on X;https://twitter.com/MartinPorter6/status/178827340...
"This case involving the death of Celia Ward is disturbing. Apparently if a pedestrian lashes out aggressively at me when I am on my bicycle that is not assault"
heebeegeetee said:
Vanden Saab said:
She did not touch her, therefore no case to answer. It is very clear if you have read the judges decision. As the judges say waving your arms is not a criminal offence or everybody who goes to a football match would be charged with assault.
Have just seen the comments by Martin Porter KC on X;https://twitter.com/MartinPorter6/status/178827340...
"This case involving the death of Celia Ward is disturbing. Apparently if a pedestrian lashes out aggressively at me when I am on my bicycle that is not assault"
It seems self evident to me that the reason the base charge wasn't even considered was that it was so obvious the assault *had* taken place nobody thought to mention it.
Again, he knows about this and I'm just a punter.
Ganglandboss said:
The Three D Mucketeer said:
I had a cyclist spit on my face through my window !
For balance
To drive a car on the road you need to pass a test , have insurance and pay VED . After a certain age you need to sign you are physically able to drive and at 90 years old I think you need a Doctors certificate .
What do you need to be lawful riding a cycle ? and now with battery assist you don't even need to pedal .
You do not have to pay VED. VED is linked to your vehicle's emissions, and the rate for a zero emissions vehicle is nil. For balance
To drive a car on the road you need to pass a test , have insurance and pay VED . After a certain age you need to sign you are physically able to drive and at 90 years old I think you need a Doctors certificate .
What do you need to be lawful riding a cycle ? and now with battery assist you don't even need to pedal .
Edited by The Three D Mucketeer on Thursday 9th May 15:22
Gareth79 said:
Ganglandboss said:
The Three D Mucketeer said:
I had a cyclist spit on my face through my window !
For balance
To drive a car on the road you need to pass a test , have insurance and pay VED . After a certain age you need to sign you are physically able to drive and at 90 years old I think you need a Doctors certificate .
What do you need to be lawful riding a cycle ? and now with battery assist you don't even need to pedal .
You do not have to pay VED. VED is linked to your vehicle's emissions, and the rate for a zero emissions vehicle is nil. For balance
To drive a car on the road you need to pass a test , have insurance and pay VED . After a certain age you need to sign you are physically able to drive and at 90 years old I think you need a Doctors certificate .
What do you need to be lawful riding a cycle ? and now with battery assist you don't even need to pedal .
Edited by The Three D Mucketeer on Thursday 9th May 15:22
The Three D Mucketeer said:
I had a cyclist spit on my face through my window !
For balance
To drive a car on the road you need to pass a test , have insurance and pay VED . After a certain age you need to sign you are physically able to drive and at 90 years old I think you need a Doctors certificate .
What do you need to be lawful riding a cycle ? and now with battery assist you don't even need to pedal .
Bold - assist. Assist! Assisted. Literally means you have to pedal.For balance
To drive a car on the road you need to pass a test , have insurance and pay VED . After a certain age you need to sign you are physically able to drive and at 90 years old I think you need a Doctors certificate .
What do you need to be lawful riding a cycle ? and now with battery assist you don't even need to pedal .
Edited by The Three D Mucketeer on Thursday 9th May 15:22
Edited by bmwmike on Saturday 11th May 10:40
Black Belt Barrister covers it:
https://youtu.be/ALgXy5vq6DM?si=AqqFnDQdZqJNUCr8
I think we pretty much understood the appeal correctly.
https://youtu.be/ALgXy5vq6DM?si=AqqFnDQdZqJNUCr8
I think we pretty much understood the appeal correctly.
heebeegeetee said:
Finally some common sense .... No doubt this stupid decision will now cost the Tax Payer a fortune in compensation.From the judgement
Mrs Celia Ward was riding on her bicycle on
the same pavement but in the opposite direction. She was an experienced cyclist who
generally cycled on pavements or cycle paths owing to difficulties she had with her
hearing.
The law from https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/rules...
Rule 64
You MUST NOT cycle on a pavement.
Laws HA 1835 sect 72 & R(S)A sect 129
Rule 65
QED In my Stupid opinion ... You are entitled to your own opinion .
What is unlawful ? Robbery , Riding on a pavement ? The law is an Ass
Just makes me wonder how many Councils have been imprisoned for causing death to cyclists by the number of potholes in the road ??
Edited by The Three D Mucketeer on Saturday 11th May 15:04
The Three D Mucketeer said:
Excuse my ignorance but when exactly is a pavement defined as a "Shared Use Footway" and shouldn't it be clearly marked as such ?
"generally cycled on pavements is a bit of a giveaway"
What relevance does the cyclist on the pavement have?"generally cycled on pavements is a bit of a giveaway"
Edited by The Three D Mucketeer on Saturday 11th May 18:25
Do you have a problem with a 77 Yr old cycling on a pavement?
I don't. She was doing no harm, she did no harm, it's not like us driving on pavements in order to park, on surfaces not built to take the weight, restricting the width of the pavement the entire time car is there, etc etc.
Yes .. It's against the law.
and if you don't know it's illegal to drive a motorised vehicle on a pavement ( I do question the use of mobility scooters especially those that exceed 20mph) which have resulted in deaths to pedestrians !!!
Well she did do harm , to herself and to the accussed.
and if you don't know it's illegal to drive a motorised vehicle on a pavement ( I do question the use of mobility scooters especially those that exceed 20mph) which have resulted in deaths to pedestrians !!!
Well she did do harm , to herself and to the accussed.
Edited by The Three D Mucketeer on Saturday 11th May 18:56
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