80mph Motorway Limit - Carnage?
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More 'Speed Kills' From the Guardian.
Regardless of your opinions there is some real bollox in here, especially the last paragraph (I mean what if you arrive sooner i.e. before the incident).
www.guardian.co.uk/life/thisweek/story/0,12977,1145813,00.html
What would happen if we raised the motorway speed limit to 80mph?
David Adam
Thursday February 12, 2004
The Guardian
Carnage, if we did it tomorrow anyway. Experts say that the Conservative proposals to raise the maximum limit on motorways by another 10mph will only work if they are accompanied by hi-tech speed control systems.
The average speed on our fastest roads may already be 80mph or above in good conditions, but the last thing we want is for everybody to simply drive 10mph faster.
"If the speed limit goes up it needs to have a much more rigid enforcement," says Mike McDonald, director of the transportation research group at Southampton University. "It's quite likely in terms of nature and the approach that people take they will exceed the speed limit by a certain amount."
And forget being able to blaze away down the outside lane, leaving less aggressive drivers in your wake. He says the future of motoring, even with a raised maximum limit, is getting everyone to drive at the same speed. "Rather than having an average of 77mph on the M3 with some people going up to 95-100mph, you could have an average of 90mph in clear, bright conditions that is reduced to 60mph in the dark and wet."
Variable limits, more speed cameras and advanced systems that make the accelerator harder to push over the speed limit could all make a 80mph limit a safer possibility. "There is no evidence that in the right conditions speeds of 80mph on the motorway cause significant accidents," McDonald says. "Speed differences and lane changing are really what cause quite a lot of problems."
There are other advantages to taking things easier. "Say you have a minor incident that takes half an hour to clear and causes a build up of traffic," says Paul Firmin, of the Institute for Transport Studies at Leeds University. "If you're slower to arrive at the scene then maybe you turn up after everything's been cleared away."
Regardless of your opinions there is some real bollox in here, especially the last paragraph (I mean what if you arrive sooner i.e. before the incident).
www.guardian.co.uk/life/thisweek/story/0,12977,1145813,00.html
What would happen if we raised the motorway speed limit to 80mph?
David Adam
Thursday February 12, 2004
The Guardian
Carnage, if we did it tomorrow anyway. Experts say that the Conservative proposals to raise the maximum limit on motorways by another 10mph will only work if they are accompanied by hi-tech speed control systems.
The average speed on our fastest roads may already be 80mph or above in good conditions, but the last thing we want is for everybody to simply drive 10mph faster.
"If the speed limit goes up it needs to have a much more rigid enforcement," says Mike McDonald, director of the transportation research group at Southampton University. "It's quite likely in terms of nature and the approach that people take they will exceed the speed limit by a certain amount."
And forget being able to blaze away down the outside lane, leaving less aggressive drivers in your wake. He says the future of motoring, even with a raised maximum limit, is getting everyone to drive at the same speed. "Rather than having an average of 77mph on the M3 with some people going up to 95-100mph, you could have an average of 90mph in clear, bright conditions that is reduced to 60mph in the dark and wet."
Variable limits, more speed cameras and advanced systems that make the accelerator harder to push over the speed limit could all make a 80mph limit a safer possibility. "There is no evidence that in the right conditions speeds of 80mph on the motorway cause significant accidents," McDonald says. "Speed differences and lane changing are really what cause quite a lot of problems."
There are other advantages to taking things easier. "Say you have a minor incident that takes half an hour to clear and causes a build up of traffic," says Paul Firmin, of the Institute for Transport Studies at Leeds University. "If you're slower to arrive at the scene then maybe you turn up after everything's been cleared away."
bearded lecturing lentil muncher said:Someone please, please, please put this man out of his misery. Unfit to be in any type of office (or orifice).
There are other advantages to taking things easier. "Say you have a minor incident that takes half an hour to clear and causes a build up of traffic," says Paul Firmin, of the Institute for Transport Studies at Leeds University. "If you're slower to arrive at the scene then maybe you turn up after everything's been cleared away."
Complete a**e.
Our motorway limit should be raised to at least 100mph.
Edited to add the at least. Its possible we could have a limit of 120 or so, I reckon. Unfortunately you can't do it all at once or the numpties really would kill themselves somehow believing its still OK to cruise in the outside lane at 50mph....
>> Edited by Don on Tuesday 17th February 22:03
Our motorway limit should be raised to at least 100mph.
Edited to add the at least. Its possible we could have a limit of 120 or so, I reckon. Unfortunately you can't do it all at once or the numpties really would kill themselves somehow believing its still OK to cruise in the outside lane at 50mph....
>> Edited by Don on Tuesday 17th February 22:03
Don said:
Complete a**e.
Our motorway limit should be raised to at least 100mph.
Edited to add the at least. Its possible we could have a limit of 120 or so, I reckon. Unfortunately you can't do it all at once or the numpties really would kill themselves somehow believing its still OK to cruise in the outside lane at 50mph....
>> Edited by Don on Tuesday 17th February 22:03
I want an interactive in car head up display system that automatically selects, targets and deletes lentilmunchingbeardedsandaledbecardiganneduniversitytosspotreadersandprofessors.
Oh and I think what you said was good as well Don. 
cazzo said:
There are other advantages to taking things easier. "Say you have a minor incident that takes half an hour to clear and causes a build up of traffic," says Paul Firmin, of the Institute for Transport Studies at Leeds University. "If you're slower to arrive at the scene then maybe you turn up after everything's been cleared away."
Is he taking the pi$$ ??? Well if everybody was ging slower then it would be someone else that would be at that point at that time. Or by his very logic, no accident would have happened because the cars involved wont be there becasue they are going slower and so wouldnt be at the accident site anyway!
>> Edited by ricardo g on Tuesday 17th February 22:26
This ejit is beyond belief. I can't stand this sodding country any more.
Anyone know what the construction industry is like in Monaco?.... hmmm, no good, roads are too slow.
Germany?... no, can't speak the language.
Italy?.... no, some bog standard panda would show me up by travelling 200mph up the side of the alps!
Ameri.... god no, 55mph limits!
Looks like I'll have to stay in blighty then... on the other hand I have a couple of razor blades...
>> Edited by groomi on Tuesday 17th February 22:35
Anyone know what the construction industry is like in Monaco?.... hmmm, no good, roads are too slow.
Germany?... no, can't speak the language.
Italy?.... no, some bog standard panda would show me up by travelling 200mph up the side of the alps!
Ameri.... god no, 55mph limits!
Looks like I'll have to stay in blighty then... on the other hand I have a couple of razor blades...
>> Edited by groomi on Tuesday 17th February 22:35
groomi said:
This ejit is beyond belief. I can't stand this sodding country any more.
Anyone know what the construction industry is like in Monaco?.... hmmm, no good, roads are too slow.
Germany?... no, can't speak the language.
Italy?.... no, some bog standard panda would show me up by travelling 200mph up the side of the alps!
Ameri.... god no, 55mph limits!
Looks like I'll have to stay in blighty then... on the other hand I have a couple of razor blades...
>> Edited by groomi on Tuesday 17th February 22:35
Don't worry, once we at PH get our act together, we'll be buying our own private PH island with space for 30,000.
Maybe we should start a fund, Ted do you accept PayPal?
Morons like this have me reaching for the Barret50 every time they open their stupid lentil filled pieholes.
I am seriously starting to believe that the best thing that can happen to the fools making such stupid statements like this would be a decapitation strike executed with the most extreme predjudice.
Just how much more of this shite are people supposed to take then?
Reading stuff like this is partially the reason why i havent been posting so often, it just raises the blood pressure to lethal levels.
Every day it seems theres another "know all" cockbrow telling us what to do, how to do it, and what the "fixed penalty" will be if we dont comply to their whim.
Britain, a land fit for heroes is now fit for
all.
The more i see of the in power, the less i want to be here.
Oh i suppose i could stay and fight...but whatd be the point? What exactly would i be fighting for?
What would any of us be fighting for?
Far better to slink off into the darkness and wait for them to hang themselves with a rope of their own design......then come back and pull on their legs ...just to make sure..... you understand...
My plans are made, executing slowly as i sit here typing this cyberwaffle...but they will ultimately execute completely and then ill be free of "new labour" and all of their bullshit for ever.
Maybe we'll all be lucky and the entire lot of them will die from some rare genetic disorder that only afflicts morons, politicians and total dickheads, being passed by close anal to mouth contact...cos we know thats why theyre all into... i can dream cant i?
So for now, ill bide my time and work away in the background getting myself into a position where i can say the words "you" and extend two fingers vertically before turning my back on this shite..... on the lot of em.
I am seriously starting to believe that the best thing that can happen to the fools making such stupid statements like this would be a decapitation strike executed with the most extreme predjudice.
Just how much more of this shite are people supposed to take then?
Reading stuff like this is partially the reason why i havent been posting so often, it just raises the blood pressure to lethal levels.
Every day it seems theres another "know all" cockbrow telling us what to do, how to do it, and what the "fixed penalty" will be if we dont comply to their whim.
Britain, a land fit for heroes is now fit for
all. The more i see of the
in power, the less i want to be here. Oh i suppose i could stay and fight...but whatd be the point? What exactly would i be fighting for?
What would any of us be fighting for?
Far better to slink off into the darkness and wait for them to hang themselves with a rope of their own design......then come back and pull on their legs ...just to make sure..... you understand...
My plans are made, executing slowly as i sit here typing this cyberwaffle...but they will ultimately execute completely and then ill be free of "new labour" and all of their bullshit for ever.
Maybe we'll all be lucky and the entire lot of them will die from some rare genetic disorder that only afflicts morons, politicians and total dickheads, being passed by close anal to mouth contact...cos we know thats why theyre all into... i can dream cant i?
So for now, ill bide my time and work away in the background getting myself into a position where i can say the words "
you" and extend two fingers vertically before turning my back on this shite..... on the lot of em. deltaf said:
Morons like this have me reaching for the Barret50 every time they open their stupid lentil filled pieholes.
I am seriously starting to believe that the best thing that can happen to the fools making such stupid statements like this would be a decapitation strike executed with the most extreme predjudice.
Just how much more of this shite are people supposed to take then?
Reading stuff like this is partially the reason why i havent been posting so often, it just raises the blood pressure to lethal levels.
Every day it seems theres another "know all" cockbrow telling us what to do, how to do it, and what the "fixed penalty" will be if we dont comply to their whim.
Britain, a land fit for heroes is now fit for
The more i see of the
Oh i suppose i could stay and fight...but whatd be the point? What exactly would i be fighting for?
What would any of us be fighting for?
Far better to slink off into the darkness and wait for them to hang themselves with a rope of their own design......then come back and pull on their legs ...just to make sure..... you understand...
My plans are made, executing slowly as i sit here typing this cyberwaffle...but they will ultimately execute completely and then ill be free of "new labour" and all of their bullshit for ever.
Maybe we'll all be lucky and the entire lot of them will die from some rare genetic disorder that only afflicts morons, politicians and total dickheads, being passed by close anal to mouth contact...cos we know thats why theyre all into... i can dream cant i?
So for now, ill bide my time and work away in the background getting myself into a position where i can say the words "
Y're a bit cross arn't you?
cazzo said:Err.. b
"It's quite likely in terms of nature and the approach that people take they will exceed the speed limit by a certain amount."
ks. You out the speed limit up to 140mph+ and see. Most people would drive at between 80 and 100 IMHO, but it woud make them think about what what speed they can drive at safely. >> Edited by V8 Archie on Wednesday 18th February 00:01
forever_driving said:
Don't worry, once we at PH get our act together, we'll be buying our own private PH island with space for 30,000.
Maybe we should start a fund, Ted do you accept PayPal?
Come and buy the Isle of Wight. We have nice roads. Well, they would be if they were maintained, instead of the council planting ever more silly speed limits.
A council of PHers would work well here
cazzo said:
There are other advantages to taking things easier. "Say you have a minor incident that takes half an hour to clear and causes a build up of traffic," says Paul Firmin, of the Institute for Transport Studies at Leeds University. "If you're slower to arrive at the scene then maybe you turn up after everything's been cleared away."
Alternatively you might be involved in a pile up that would otherwise have happened behind you. Fecking idiot. Anyway, if you arrive at the scene when everything has been cleared away, how exactly would you know there'd been a scene in the first place?
Do these people actually get paid to spout this drivel? Can anyone confirm that the "Transport Studies" dept at Leeds Uni is just another David Begg one man band farce?
groomi said:
This ejit is beyond belief. I can't stand this sodding country any more.
Anyone know what the construction industry is like in Monaco?.... hmmm, no good, roads are too slow.
Germany?... no, can't speak the language.
Italy?.... no, some bog standard panda would show me up by travelling 200mph up the side of the alps!
Ameri.... god no, 55mph limits!
Looks like I'll have to stay in blighty then... on the other hand I have a couple of razor blades...
>> Edited by groomi on Tuesday 17th February 22:35
America seems, to me, to a lot worse than Britain. So many laws about what you can and can't do. I imagine this is what russia felt like before glasnost.
"Don't stand there", "Walk now" "don't walk now" "You can't buy that beer, you're only 32", "we won't serve you a drink, you're pregnant".
No smoking, no running, no cameras, no drinking outdoors, and no comeback when the police slaughter entirely innocent people.
As long as the victim was balck.
It is a petty rule bound place, suspicious of everyone else, and a long way up their own arse, blind to the fact.
cazzo said:
More 'Speed Kills' From the Guardian.
Regardless of your opinions there is some real bollox in here, especially the last paragraph (I mean what if you arrive sooner i.e. before the incident).
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/thisweek/story/0,12977,1145813,00.html"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/thisweek/story/0,12977,1145813,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/life/thisweek/story/0,12977,1145813,00.html</a></a>
What would happen if we raised the motorway speed limit to 80mph?
David Adam
Thursday February 12, 2004
The Guardian
Carnage, if we did it tomorrow anyway. Experts say that the Conservative proposals to raise the maximum limit on motorways by another 10mph will only work if they are accompanied by hi-tech speed control systems.
where the
The average speed on our fastest roads may already be 80mph or above in good conditions, but the last thing we want is for everybody to simply drive 10mph faster.
why?
"If the speed limit goes up it needs to have a much more rigid enforcement," says Mike McDonald, director of the transportation research group at Southampton University. "It's quite likely in terms of nature and the approach that people take they will exceed the speed limit by a certain amount."
No. people will still drive at the speed they feel safe at, raise the limit to 100mph, will everyone drive instantly at 110mph?
And forget being able to blaze away down the outside lane, leaving less aggressive drivers in your wake. He says the future of motoring, even with a raised maximum limit, is getting everyone to drive at the same speed. "Rather than having an average of 77mph on the M3 with some people going up to 95-100mph, you could have an average of 90mph in clear, bright conditions that is reduced to 60mph in the dark and wet."
by the nature of the beast that means we adopt the progress of the slowest fume belching heap of shit that somehow still seems to evade an MOT
Variable limits, more speed cameras and advanced systems that make the accelerator harder to push over the speed limit could all make a 80mph limit a safer possibility. [
and there lies proof that idiots are allowed voice
"There is no evidence that in the right conditions speeds of 80mph on the motorway cause significant accidents,"
so, is that a good or bad thing?
McDonald says. "Speed differences and lane changing are really what cause quite a lot of problems."
I ask you, does this guy venture out of doors?
There are other advantages to taking things easier. "Say you have a minor incident that takes half an hour to clear and causes a build up of traffic," says Paul Firmin, of the Institute for Transport Studies at Leeds University. "If you're slower to arrive at the scene then maybe you turn up after everything's been cleared away."
breathtaking, that is moronic at best
>> Edited by apache on Wednesday 18th February 00:58
apache said:I think you got a bit carried away here Apache. I agree with both of his statements here.
"There is no evidence that in the right conditions speeds of 80mph on the motorway cause significant accidents,"
has this retard been on a motorway?
McDonald says. "Speed differences and lane changing are really what cause quite a lot of problems."
I ask you, does this guy venture out of doors?
I don't see how simply raising the limit is going to do much. People will surely just sit at 90MPH all day rather than 79MPH if they want to avoid a ticket (limit + 10% + 2MPH) (generalising I know).
Increasing the speed limit as well as some other initiative to increase police patrols or run dedicated education schemes gets a big thumbsup from me, but not so sure about *just* raising the limit.
>> Edited by rospa on Wednesday 18th February 01:06
Increasing the speed limit as well as some other initiative to increase police patrols or run dedicated education schemes gets a big thumbsup from me, but not so sure about *just* raising the limit.
>> Edited by rospa on Wednesday 18th February 01:06
V8 Archie said:
apache said:
"There is no evidence that in the right conditions speeds of 80mph on the motorway cause significant accidents,"
has this retard been on a motorway?
McDonald says. "Speed differences and lane changing are really what cause quite a lot of problems."
I ask you, does this guy venture out of doors?
I think you got a bit carried away here Apache. I agree with both of his statements here.
I know, revised that bit
>> Edited by apache on Wednesday 18th February 01:15
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