Eight months for using a laser jammer ?!! Wtf
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surveyor_101 said:
julian64 said:
is this proof laser jammers don't work?
Jammers work and I am not aware of a successful court case other than this one.I have known of someone who removed it and said no comment and cps bottled it and he promptly bottled it.
In this case they did raid his house at silly o clock and seized his car.
ETA: This is the prosecution I was thinking about but there have been others in North Yorkshire as well. This bloke escaped with a suspended sentence but for me the risk of using a jammer just isn't worth it.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2805822/arrogant-exe...
Edited by JNW1 on Tuesday 24th April 22:03
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2744329.stm
2003, someone hooning around the valleys.
Seem to remember they compared notes from the various traps and realised this one never got a reading. So pulled the car.
2003, someone hooning around the valleys.
Seem to remember they compared notes from the various traps and realised this one never got a reading. So pulled the car.
As mentioned, for a lot of people speed enforcement is an important issue, but in a very NIMBY fashion.
My brother is a PC in a rural area and a lot of his time is spent listening to people moaning about speeding drivers in their villages, it's amazing how many of them he then catches speeding in the surrounding villages.
My brother is a PC in a rural area and a lot of his time is spent listening to people moaning about speeding drivers in their villages, it's amazing how many of them he then catches speeding in the surrounding villages.
I remember a guy posting on Pepipoo saying that the Police turned up unexpectedly at his house, he rushed back from work (he didn't know what it was about at that point) at which point they told him why they were there and then promptly seized his car.
He too was prosecuted for PtCoJ.
All very well talking about destroying or removing the evidence but unless you're going to do that at the end of each journey they could turn up and seize your car before you have a chance.
Incidentally, you can be found guilty of Perverting if you take an action that tends to and is intended to pervert the course of justice. You don't have to be using the jammer at the time, or even speeding. In the case of the Pepipoo guy, they had camera errors & evidence of the device - and that was enough for a court to convict.
It's all very well tying oneself up in logical "what if" arguments, but as BV72 has said as much in the past - the law doesn't seek complicated answers when the simplest one suffices.
He too was prosecuted for PtCoJ.
All very well talking about destroying or removing the evidence but unless you're going to do that at the end of each journey they could turn up and seize your car before you have a chance.
Incidentally, you can be found guilty of Perverting if you take an action that tends to and is intended to pervert the course of justice. You don't have to be using the jammer at the time, or even speeding. In the case of the Pepipoo guy, they had camera errors & evidence of the device - and that was enough for a court to convict.
It's all very well tying oneself up in logical "what if" arguments, but as BV72 has said as much in the past - the law doesn't seek complicated answers when the simplest one suffices.
JNW1 said:
ghe13rte said:
I'm stunned by the daft suggestions questions relating to this subject.
Stunned you may be but most of us have probably never been in a camera van that's failed to get reading as a result of being foiled by a laser jammer! Therefore, out of interest what will the resultant video show; just a vehicle going past with no speed displayed or something else (and if so what?).Some laser guns will detect that they are being jammed and alert the operator, some will adapt and defeat the jammer, but again that depends on the jammer and the gun.
The Home Office aren't approving guns left, right and centre though, so an up-to-date jammer will likely work against what Gerty and his pals are using and just show an error on their gun (DragonEye or whatever else the Yanks are using is probably a long way off here)
I see this as an abuse of the judicial system and inappropriate conduct by the police to get a result.
If taking steps to avoid prosecution is perverting the course of justice, then lying in court or lying when being questioned, in order to avoid prosecution, is also perverting the course of justice.
If everyone who lied in court, or lied when being questioned, were to be convicted of perverting the course of justice, there wouldn't be enough prisons to satisfy demand.
If taking steps to avoid prosecution is perverting the course of justice, then lying in court or lying when being questioned, in order to avoid prosecution, is also perverting the course of justice.
If everyone who lied in court, or lied when being questioned, were to be convicted of perverting the course of justice, there wouldn't be enough prisons to satisfy demand.
Dhol01 said:
It is about teaching joe public who is boss. No resources to police burglaries but unlimited resources to police speed. Your priorities are not the priorities of the majority.
Best plaice this on your other shoulder so that you don't put your back out with the uneven weight.
mybrainhurts said:
I see this as an abuse of the judicial system and inappropriate conduct by the police to get a result.
Perhaps you don't understand it well enough.mybrainhurts said:
If taking steps to avoid prosecution is perverting the course of justice, then lying in court or lying when being questioned, in order to avoid prosecution, is also perverting the course of justice.
If everyone who lied in court, or lied when being questioned, were to be convicted of perverting the course of justice, there wouldn't be enough prisons to satisfy demand.
I was right.If everyone who lied in court, or lied when being questioned, were to be convicted of perverting the course of justice, there wouldn't be enough prisons to satisfy demand.
Lying on oath is perjury. PtCoJ goes beyond an untruth.
Sanctimonious Cop thread. Different priorities to normal people.
We all agree that the driver was stupid. Cannot agree that he was speeding (no evidence) but an example must be made of him for having the temerity to give cops the finger and employ a device that defeats their laser toys.
What is difficult to understand that people do not want to be constantly monitored or filmed in the hope of a minor transgression and resulting fine ?
Perverting the course of justice ? It is a confected penalty conjured up to punish this individual disproportionately. 8 months ? Seriously ? Hope the law enforcement community are pleased with themselves. The rest of us can certainly sleep easier in our beds.
All about perception. War on motorists and cops showing the rest of us who is boss.
We all agree that the driver was stupid. Cannot agree that he was speeding (no evidence) but an example must be made of him for having the temerity to give cops the finger and employ a device that defeats their laser toys.
What is difficult to understand that people do not want to be constantly monitored or filmed in the hope of a minor transgression and resulting fine ?
Perverting the course of justice ? It is a confected penalty conjured up to punish this individual disproportionately. 8 months ? Seriously ? Hope the law enforcement community are pleased with themselves. The rest of us can certainly sleep easier in our beds.
All about perception. War on motorists and cops showing the rest of us who is boss.
Dhol01 said:
Sanctimonious Cop thread. Different priorities to normal people.
We all agree that the driver was stupid. Cannot agree that he was speeding (no evidence) but an example must be made of him for having the temerity to give cops the finger and employ a device that defeats their laser toys.
What is difficult to understand that people do not want to be constantly monitored or filmed in the hope of a minor transgression and resulting fine ?
Perverting the course of justice ? It is a confected penalty conjured up to punish this individual disproportionately. 8 months ? Seriously ? Hope the law enforcement community are pleased with themselves. The rest of us can certainly sleep easier in our beds.
All about perception. War on motorists and cops showing the rest of us who is boss.
You're taking this one personally. We all agree that the driver was stupid. Cannot agree that he was speeding (no evidence) but an example must be made of him for having the temerity to give cops the finger and employ a device that defeats their laser toys.
What is difficult to understand that people do not want to be constantly monitored or filmed in the hope of a minor transgression and resulting fine ?
Perverting the course of justice ? It is a confected penalty conjured up to punish this individual disproportionately. 8 months ? Seriously ? Hope the law enforcement community are pleased with themselves. The rest of us can certainly sleep easier in our beds.
All about perception. War on motorists and cops showing the rest of us who is boss.
There's a very easy solution not to end up the same position. I'm sure the rest of us will manage that just fine. Nobody buys a jammer without knowing the potential repercussion. He played with fire and got burned due to his own stupid conduct.
I can find another example of someone getting jailed for 2 months for using a jammer. They were initially cautioned and were caught again. Makes you wonder why this guy got 8 months first time.
Reading this story this guy made up a pack of lies and gave his location as elsewhere denying it was him driving the car. He was also caught trying to destroy the jammer. I can't help but think his punishment was more severe due to his repeated attempts to deceive the police. Maybe if he put his hands up he would have got off with a caution.
It's not difficult to understand why people don't like being constantly filmed or monitored. However a speed camera van captures you for a few seconds and doesn't log any details unless you're captured speeding or draw attention to yourself.
You're making a huge fuss over nothing.
Edited by Driver101 on Wednesday 25th April 04:47
Dhol01 said:
He has obviously seen the van and consequently is probably not speeding anyway.
You base your opinion on what facts?The speed camera operator points the camera at vehicles he/she has formed the opinion is exceeding the speed limit. They don't point it at someone trundling down lane 1 of the dual carraigeway at 56mph.
The fact that they've pointed it at Range Rover man on several occasions and recieved a possible jamming notification each time from the camera device, suggests to me that Range Rover man is indeed speeding.
'He has obviously seen the van and continues to speed anyway', is probably more accurate.
If he’s seen tha van why is he obviously not speeding at the moment he saw it? The laser devices have a range of 999m (most common device) and can often measure drivers speed before the even see the van (I’ve seen photos of a ping at 700+m). Seeing the van and then slowing down doesn’t mean you weren’t speeding.
Stupidest statement on PH, and that’s saying something.
Stupidest statement on PH, and that’s saying something.
TooMany2cvs said:
julian64 said:
is this proof laser jammers don't work?
They aren't eyeball jammers.There's a human being in that parked van, and when his camera says "Beep! Not liking this one...", he scribbles a little note, and the video can then be manually reviewed to get the time/date/plate of the car that's not giving a speed reading.
When the same car drives past several times, going visibly faster than stuff that's giving a reading at or near the limit, with a self-important twunt gurning and waving a middle finger, what do you think that the man in the van is going to do?
I guess somewhere in the text it must say something different as my firewall won't let me get further than seeing the questionnaire.
Thesprucegoose said:
All this effort not to get a speeding ticket. We all know that you can s
t load of points and still carry on driving. I never understand why people go to all this stupid effort.
And he even knows where not to get a ticket. So why doesn't he just go a bit slower at those points in order to not get a ticket?t load of points and still carry on driving. I never understand why people go to all this stupid effort.At the risk of trying to answer the implied question of the OP, I reckon that this is a nonsensical sentence. There are other ways to punish.
Prison should be kept for those who are a threat to society or have shown themselves reluctant to learn from non-custodial sentences. This bloke is taking up a space in prison that could be the pied a terre of a habitual burglar, a rapist or similar offender who should enjoy an extended stay.
Yet we see directions from the HO to release prisoners after a low proportion of their sentence has been served.
Prison should be kept for those who are a threat to society or have shown themselves reluctant to learn from non-custodial sentences. This bloke is taking up a space in prison that could be the pied a terre of a habitual burglar, a rapist or similar offender who should enjoy an extended stay.
Yet we see directions from the HO to release prisoners after a low proportion of their sentence has been served.
Derek Smith said:
At the risk of trying to answer the implied question of the OP, I reckon that this is a nonsensical sentence. There are other ways to punish.
Prison should be kept for those who are a threat to society or have shown themselves reluctant to learn from non-custodial sentences. This bloke is taking up a space in prison that could be the pied a terre of a habitual burglar, a rapist or similar offender who should enjoy an extended stay.
Yet we see directions from the HO to release prisoners after a low proportion of their sentence has been served.
But he was perverting the course of justice Derek, so he really is a danger to society.Prison should be kept for those who are a threat to society or have shown themselves reluctant to learn from non-custodial sentences. This bloke is taking up a space in prison that could be the pied a terre of a habitual burglar, a rapist or similar offender who should enjoy an extended stay.
Yet we see directions from the HO to release prisoners after a low proportion of their sentence has been served.
Or the egos of those running it.
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