Man being chased by police - should you help?
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Eclassy said:
Devil2575 said:
I find your post contradictory. How many extra judical killings have you heard of in this country?
How many deaths in custody have ever resulted in the conviction of a policeman?Its the same answer in my country. The police over there will point to the stats that show that not one policeman has ever being convicted.
Where did you come from?
Eclassy said:
How many deaths in custody have ever resulted in the conviction of a policeman in this cointry?
Its the same answer in my country. The police over there will point to the stats that show that not one policeman has ever being convicted.
How many deaths in custody have been down to the police actually Killing someone rather than ongoing medical issues etc or the police are found not guilty of any wrong doing? Its the same answer in my country. The police over there will point to the stats that show that not one policeman has ever being convicted.
Edited by Eclassy on Tuesday 9th September 16:05
Your point is ridiculous, just because someone dies in custody doesn't mean the police have done wrong.
I think you're wasting your time trying to use logical and reason, chaps.
I've tripped and tackled people for minor public order offences e.g. a drunk and disorderly arrest that ran away. There was a small chance they could have died. If that had done so that wouldn't render the force unlawful as that would be outcome / hindsight bias, instead the initial probability of that occurrence would be the key thing.
selym said:
Respectfully, I refuse to believe that the police in this country are as bad as the force in your country of birth. Ok, you may be 'disappointed' by the actions of a few but if you look at this objectively you'll realise that your experience of the police here doesn't capture the whole force. rather like that rogue bit of unpopped popcorn that nearly breaks your tooth, you know you'll come across it, but it is rare all the same.
I love the popcorn analogy Mr Trophy said:
What would happen if you helped a PO tackle someone and that resulted in death "for example hit to the head" ?
It depends on the circumstances. There's always a risk of serious injury when using force. It depends on how likely it is and how reasonable that likeliness is in the circumstances. There's no "if X occurs can I do Z?" as using force and the law is too fluid for a prescribed list. I've tripped and tackled people for minor public order offences e.g. a drunk and disorderly arrest that ran away. There was a small chance they could have died. If that had done so that wouldn't render the force unlawful as that would be outcome / hindsight bias, instead the initial probability of that occurrence would be the key thing.
Eclassy said:
Nope.
Police have never helped me. Its their job. I would like to be charged for failing to assist a policeman. It sounds laughable to be honest.
Imagine if such applied to all sections of the population. My lord, this man is charged with failing to assist the bus driver.
If such a law really exists, its another one that supports the argument of one rule for them and one for us.
typical 'classy' answer from Eclassy there ... Police have never helped me. Its their job. I would like to be charged for failing to assist a policeman. It sounds laughable to be honest.
Imagine if such applied to all sections of the population. My lord, this man is charged with failing to assist the bus driver.
If such a law really exists, its another one that supports the argument of one rule for them and one for us.
Assisting the police is part of the civic duties of a good citizen and reinforces the view that the police are of the people for the people - which paraphrases some of the original thoughts of Peel on the subject .
English law is remarkably supportive of those who do not intervene ( unlike many others places around the world who have various offences that require far less to prove around not assisting ) but it is even more supportive ( at both Criminal and Civil ) of community spirited bystanders who intervene to assist the Statutory services ...
Edited by mph1977 on Thursday 11th September 00:54
We're all corrupt/bent/murderers.
So much so that I was driving back to the nick today when I saw a window cleaner leaning on his ladder, obviously out of breath. There was something about his posture that wasn't quite "right". I could've ignored it, I could've just shouted up over radio and hoped an ambulance would pitch up.
What I did was turn my car round and go back to him. He really wasn't well at all and ended up being carted off in an ambulance, called by me (despite his initial protestations he was "fine"). The crew suspected he was having a heart attack.
Of course, I'd chucked my car half on/half off the pavement on DYL and got a load of abuse from half a dozen MoPs for doing so, despite potentially saving the guy's life and being bothered enough to go and check on his welfare. Some days just wear me down.
So much so that I was driving back to the nick today when I saw a window cleaner leaning on his ladder, obviously out of breath. There was something about his posture that wasn't quite "right". I could've ignored it, I could've just shouted up over radio and hoped an ambulance would pitch up.
What I did was turn my car round and go back to him. He really wasn't well at all and ended up being carted off in an ambulance, called by me (despite his initial protestations he was "fine"). The crew suspected he was having a heart attack.
Of course, I'd chucked my car half on/half off the pavement on DYL and got a load of abuse from half a dozen MoPs for doing so, despite potentially saving the guy's life and being bothered enough to go and check on his welfare. Some days just wear me down.
We hold commendation ceremonies quite regularly and there are always members of the public receiving awards for helping officers or other members of the public in their time of need. It reminds be that most of the public are good spirited and that the minority of narrowed minded people are just that, a minority..... just most of those happen to post on here
I love helping the public. I delibrately scan for women with buggies to help up/down the stairs on my daily commute through unaccessible stations.
I remember one day I was driving past my local station and saw an older man trying in vain to get up from the floor. It was kind of deserted and I thought he could be here a long time so I spun my car around and went back to him.
As I walked towards him, I kind of realised why no one may have helped him before me. He was filthy but I thought hey f**k it, I am only going to the shops and will have a clean when I get back home so I stretched my hand to him and pulled him up from the floor.
I asked if he was alright and he said he was but he had been down so long he missed his train. He thanked me and I went on my way.
From my experience most members of the public are good people are so I have no trouble helping one in need. It may seem narrow minded but my experience of the police shapes and will continue to shape my future interactions with them.
I remember one day I was driving past my local station and saw an older man trying in vain to get up from the floor. It was kind of deserted and I thought he could be here a long time so I spun my car around and went back to him.
As I walked towards him, I kind of realised why no one may have helped him before me. He was filthy but I thought hey f**k it, I am only going to the shops and will have a clean when I get back home so I stretched my hand to him and pulled him up from the floor.
I asked if he was alright and he said he was but he had been down so long he missed his train. He thanked me and I went on my way.
From my experience most members of the public are good people are so I have no trouble helping one in need. It may seem narrow minded but my experience of the police shapes and will continue to shape my future interactions with them.
Eclassy said:
I love helping the public. I delibrately scan for women with buggies to help up/down the stairs on my daily commute through unaccessible stations.
I remember one day I was driving past my local station and saw an older man trying in vain to get up from the floor. It was kind of deserted and I thought he could be here a long time so I spun my car around and went back to him.
As I walked towards him, I kind of realised why no one may have helped him before me. He was filthy but I thought hey f**k it, I am only going to the shops and will have a clean when I get back home so I stretched my hand to him and pulled him up from the floor.
I asked if he was alright and he said he was but he had been down so long he missed his train. He thanked me and I went on my way.
From my experience most members of the public are good people are so I have no trouble helping one in need. It may seem narrow minded but my experience of the police shapes and will continue to shape my future interactions with them.
What is the difference between helping an elderly gent who was struggling to get up and helping a police officer ?I remember one day I was driving past my local station and saw an older man trying in vain to get up from the floor. It was kind of deserted and I thought he could be here a long time so I spun my car around and went back to him.
As I walked towards him, I kind of realised why no one may have helped him before me. He was filthy but I thought hey f**k it, I am only going to the shops and will have a clean when I get back home so I stretched my hand to him and pulled him up from the floor.
I asked if he was alright and he said he was but he had been down so long he missed his train. He thanked me and I went on my way.
From my experience most members of the public are good people are so I have no trouble helping one in need. It may seem narrow minded but my experience of the police shapes and will continue to shape my future interactions with them.
Oh ... that's right. You despise the police.
From what I've seen of your previous posts on other threads though, if you think someone has crossed you, you really do spit your dummy out, closely followed by Teddy and a hissy-fit.
Maybe the problem is with you - not the police officers you have dealt with.
Edited by Red 4 on Wednesday 10th September 10:56
^^ That amazing story of extreme heroism has brought a tear to my eye. I'm actually struggling to type. So...you actually....touched a dirty mans hand...and helped him up? I take back all the negative things I've ever said/thought about you. You are one of the good guys.
Just one question though. How many poor damsel in distress single mothers had to suffer and push their own pram, whilst you were touching dirty man's hand?
Just one question though. How many poor damsel in distress single mothers had to suffer and push their own pram, whilst you were touching dirty man's hand?
I would pitch in as much as I could.
There was an attempted break-in at my house about a month ago, phoned the police via 999 as we were both in the house at the same time, I was told under no circumstances to leave the house and chase after the 3 guys who did try and break in. Within a few minutes I had 3 police cars outside my house and gladly invited them all in. Sat for an hour or so having a chat and a laugh with the officers at 3am, the on duty CSI type girl arrived about 30 minutes after the break in attempt and tried her best to see if she could get any evidence. After she left the two officers who were with me were explaining that they had 6 officers on duty to cover a huge area that night. I was pretty shocked they had so few people on and we were discussing this when the CSI girl knocked on the front door and asked if things were ours as she had found them on the road leading out of the estate. One was a 6" carving knife, a screwdriver sharpened to a point and a couple of my gardening tools (knife and screwdriver weren't mine).
Was a bit of a shock to me that someone would be wandering about with a 6" knife just ready to use it if they got caught trying to break into someones house. The officers said yes they are finding more and more bad guys are being tooled up when doing even stuff like burglary.
Whole thing made me realise that the police are in constant danger from idiots, they are the guys who have to deal with the dregs of society and those dregs sometimes do not care who they hurt on their way to their next fix or whatever they are after. These guys are our very thin blue line and I would hope we all would pitch in to help them out as they must see and have to deal with some horrific crap!
They did tell me a funny story about them having to arrest a marine the night before which did cheer me up no end
There was an attempted break-in at my house about a month ago, phoned the police via 999 as we were both in the house at the same time, I was told under no circumstances to leave the house and chase after the 3 guys who did try and break in. Within a few minutes I had 3 police cars outside my house and gladly invited them all in. Sat for an hour or so having a chat and a laugh with the officers at 3am, the on duty CSI type girl arrived about 30 minutes after the break in attempt and tried her best to see if she could get any evidence. After she left the two officers who were with me were explaining that they had 6 officers on duty to cover a huge area that night. I was pretty shocked they had so few people on and we were discussing this when the CSI girl knocked on the front door and asked if things were ours as she had found them on the road leading out of the estate. One was a 6" carving knife, a screwdriver sharpened to a point and a couple of my gardening tools (knife and screwdriver weren't mine).
Was a bit of a shock to me that someone would be wandering about with a 6" knife just ready to use it if they got caught trying to break into someones house. The officers said yes they are finding more and more bad guys are being tooled up when doing even stuff like burglary.
Whole thing made me realise that the police are in constant danger from idiots, they are the guys who have to deal with the dregs of society and those dregs sometimes do not care who they hurt on their way to their next fix or whatever they are after. These guys are our very thin blue line and I would hope we all would pitch in to help them out as they must see and have to deal with some horrific crap!
They did tell me a funny story about them having to arrest a marine the night before which did cheer me up no end
Eclassy said:
From my experience most members of the public are good people are so I have no trouble helping one in need. It may seem narrow minded but my experience of the police shapes and will continue to shape my future interactions with them.
It's because you're the "permanent victim" type. The type who thinks the police are there to do what you want. They aren't there to do what you want, they are there to enforce the law and make reasoned judgements. You are jaded because of some non-event you've posted on Liveleak, which everyone on here and there (police and non-police) have said is a non-event. Rather than think, "perhaps I am wrong", you instead cling to the irrational positions that everyone else is. Anyone can have a bad experience with the police, because there are some officers who are muppets. People who have multiple "bad" interactions are usually the muppets themselves.
Perhaps a reminder why some people don't want to get involved in things that don't concern them http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2750513/Pi...
I've no idea why this bloke felt the need to intervene. The woman wasn't being attacked, it was just someone being rude to her. Knight in shining armour rides in to the rescue... and finds himself in hospital
I've no idea why this bloke felt the need to intervene. The woman wasn't being attacked, it was just someone being rude to her. Knight in shining armour rides in to the rescue... and finds himself in hospital
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