Compulsory masks in shops from 24th and petrol stations

[A205GTI]

Interestingly, they brought in the public transport one, yet every bus driver I have seen in Bristol is no longer wearing a mask

So they wore them at the beginning now they are not, I wonder if they have decided because of the screens they no longer need to?

[anonymous-user]

Riley Blue said:

Since June 6th WHO has recommended masks be worn: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52945210

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-cor...

yes that is why i said the last 6 months. But what has changed we have gone past the peak, but they have now decided they are useful, smacks on politics.

[callyman]

PorkInsider said:

The Spruce Goose said:

But why can't we make our own choices, why does everything have to come down to you must, we re free country, we should be allowed freedom of choice, not what the government dictates, it is a slippery slope.

People have died for this freedom and having it taken away, the freedom of choice, pisses on their graves.

God help us.

I know.....Yes you are right, you have the right to decide wether you want to catch Covid or not and risk your health.
What you do NOT have is the right to give it to someone else who may die from it. The mask is to protect others from you.
It's pretty simple logic.

[Riley Blue]

The Spruce Goose said:

Riley Blue said:

Since June 6th WHO has recommended masks be worn: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52945210

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-cor...

yes that is why i said the last 6 months. But what has changed we have gone past the peak, but they have now decided they are useful, smacks on politics.

I think we're pretty much in agreement. My view is that masks were always known to be of benefit but agencies and governments sought to protect supplies to health services, a not unreasonable action to have taken at the time. However, it will be now impossible for them (Boris and his gang) to backtrack in the event of a second and subsequent waves.

The 'we'll be led by the science' mantra has been shown up for what it was, a load of political bks.

[unident]

ash73 said:

unident said:

ash73 said:

It's not that simple. It also increases the chances of developing group immunity.

The more young people that get it, without developing acute symptoms, the better. Provided they don't pass it on to vulnerables.

That's the balancing act.

The virus isn't going anywhere, and we can't all wear masks forever.

Are you going to educate yourself around herd immunity? It’s just that it’s a concept that is not being actively pursued anywhere as it’s unlikely to succeed and there’s no knowledge as to how long the antibodies exist for in people’s systems.

Timely article:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53433824

Dr Hall said:

Without a vaccine we will go on with transmissions at a relatively low level hopefully and with contact tracing and all the other interventions to mitigate the disease, we will eventually achieve herd immunity one way or another

Try to understand... a vaccine or herd immunity are the ONLY ways out of this. And a vaccine may take years.

If everyone wears masks, and masks are effective, it will just take longer; and it will push the second wave into the winter when it could be more severe.

That article doesn’t say what you think it does. In time there may well be herd immunity, but to try to force it means a second wave, high number of deaths and an overwhelmed NHS. It’s saying that herd immunity was the idea back in March, but the spread was exponential and it was clearly not a viable option.

It also clearly states that there is an assumption of protection from a second infection, but even that is questionable now. There is evidence that the antibodies needed for immunity do not stay in the body for long enough to hold an immunity.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53315983

https://globalnews.ca/news/7162352/coronavirus-her...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/asymptomatic-covid-...

[leef44]

Chromegrill said:

The Spruce Goose said:

But why can't we make our own choices, why does everything have to come down to you must, we re free country, we should be allowed freedom of choice, not what the government dictates, it is a slippery slope.

People have died for this freedom and having it taken away, the freedom of choice, pisses on their graves.

The price I pay (as an adult with a serious underlying health condition) for your freedom to infect me due to your refusal to cover your face is my life. So yes, I could die for your freedom to go round spreading a serious infection when you know you can mitigate that spread through a cheap and simple intervention. But I don't think you realised how true your statement was.

I consider my life too high a price to pay for your freedom to take it away. So many people only look to their own circumstances when thinking about infectious disease, whether it's wearing face masks or for that matter having a vaccination. But infectious diseases don't think like that, they demand that we ask "what can you do for your country" not "what can your country do for you" to quote a famous ex-president of the USA. We all work together to defeat this, or some of us die during a disjointed free for all.

I guess it's a twisted version of what Mel Gibson said:

They make take away YOUR life but they cannot take away MY freedom

It's sad there is such selfishness in our society.

[threespires]

leef44 said:

It's sad there is such selfishness in our society.

Yes, I've been shocked by the attitude shown by many on this thread, especially those spouted by the idiot who calls himself after a dead duck.

Shame, I've missed my Motorsport this year, looks like a 2nd wave will cancel the Monte next February and our Motorsport beyond.

To those near 50,000 UK souls already dead and those who are about to die in the name of freedom to ignore good advice I salute you.

[thecremeegg]

The Spruce Goose said:

yes that is why i said the last 6 months. But what has changed we have gone past the peak, but they have now decided they are useful, smacks on politics.

Or that supplies were going to the NHS etc first before the public all buys them in a panic...

[anonymous-user]

thecremeegg said:

Or that supplies were going to the NHS etc first before the public all buys them in a panic...

Yes but the guidelines are face covering not masks as mr pedantic has pointed out loads of times. So wouldn't really fit.

[unident]

The Spruce Goose said:

Yes but the guidelines are face covering not masks as mr pedantic has pointed out loads of times. So wouldn't really fit.

Obviously you mean me. Given that MB140 has rushed out and bought 100 masks, even though face coverings are all that is needed, then I’d say that the other poster has a valid point.

[anonymous-user]

leef44 said:

I guess it's a twisted version of what Mel Gibson said:

They make take away YOUR life but they cannot take away MY freedom

It's sad there is such selfishness in our society.

people die from flu everyday do you wear a mask to stop it, no because no ones gave a st, but no everyone is selfish if they don't wear one now, great argument.

It is demonising people, and if you are high risk you are high risk for ever disease, do you live in a bubble, no you get on with life.

I'm high risk i wouldn't blame someone else if i got it because that is life.We live with risk all around us.

[unident]

The Spruce Goose said:

people die from flu everyday do you wear a mask to stop it, no because no ones gave a st, but no everyone is selfish if they don't wear one now, great argument.

It is demonising people, and if you are high risk you are high risk for ever disease, do you live in a bubble, no you get on with life.

I'm high risk i wouldn't blame someone else if i got it because that is life.We live with risk all around us.

We have a flu vaccine. Yes there are new strains occasionally and it’s not 100% effective, but we have mitigation. We understand flu a lot more as it’s been studied for so long.

We have none of that for this virus.

[anonymous-user]

unident said:

We have a flu vaccine. Yes there are new strains occasionally and it’s not 100% effective, but we have mitigation. We understand flu a lot more as it’s been studied for so long.

We have none of that for this virus.

the point is thousands die a year from flu and if we all wore masks then a lot would be saved, so what difference is it that we now wear masks, do we wear them forever, as no one should die surely as we are now all potential killers?

[unident]

ash73 said:

All three of your links are based on the same flawed assumption that measuring antibodies in the blood is good measure of herd immunity.

The immune system in some patients overcomes the virus with a non specific response and does not produce any antibodies. These recovered patients have little or no trace of antibodies in their blood.

Those that do produce antibodies will program the pattern into memory B cells, so after a few weeks when they've been flushed out of the blood (so an antibody test will ping negative) they can still produce them.

You could test if a person has the antibody pattern by deliberately infecting them and repeating the antibody test a few hours later. And if they don't, congratuations you've just given a new patient the virus. Which is why they can't measure it.

Tell me this; how many patients have presented with a repeat case?

The point is that I’m willing to accept a few things. Firstly I’m not an expert and don’t present my self as one. You might want to consider that about your approach. Secondly, knowledge is developing on this. Things that we now know will alter the approach we take.

Herd immunity is clearly stated in your article as needing a huge amount of people to be infected and recover. Is that realistic without huge chunks of the population dying or becoming seriously ill? It really needs a vaccine to generate herd immunity and we haven’t got one. Throwing everyone to the whims of spread and the consequences is too much for anyone to consider acceptable.

We don’t know how many have had it once, so how would we know how many have had it twice?

[leef44]

The Spruce Goose said:

leef44 said:

I guess it's a twisted version of what Mel Gibson said:

They make take away YOUR life but they cannot take away MY freedom

It's sad there is such selfishness in our society.

people die from flu everyday do you wear a mask to stop it, no because no ones gave a st, but no everyone is selfish if they don't wear one now, great argument.

It is demonising people, and if you are high risk you are high risk for ever disease, do you live in a bubble, no you get on with life.

I'm high risk i wouldn't blame someone else if i got it because that is life.We live with risk all around us.

I take it back. If you are high risk and you are willing to risk your life then that is not selfishness but personally choice. And that's why we are on this forum: to express our personal opinions

[drdino]

The Spruce Goose said:

the point is thousands die a year from flu and if we all wore masks then a lot would be saved, so what difference is it that we now wear masks, do we wear them forever, as no one should die surely as we are now all potential killers?

a) No-one is telling you to wear a mask after a vaccine is developed
b) Flu =/= COVID19 in terms of fatality rates

[bad company]

threespires said:

Yes, I've been shocked by the attitude shown by many on this thread, especially those spouted by the idiot who calls himself after a dead duck.

Shame, I've missed my Motorsport this year, looks like a 2nd wave will cancel the Monte next February and our Motorsport beyond.

To those near 50,000 UK souls already dead and those who are about to die in the name of freedom to ignore good advice I salute you.

That’s all based on masking being proven to prevent transmission of the virus. Many dispute that.

[anonymous-user]

leef44 said:

I take it back. If you are high risk and you are willing to risk your life then that is not selfishness but personally choice. And that's why we are on this forum: to express our personal opinions

you are talking hysterical, risking my life, I've been shopping last few months, without a mask had no choice really as got no delivery slots.

This is what has happened people have become brainwashed and just repeating what they have been told without critical analysis.

If you want to wear a mask you can if you don't you should be able to decide that choice.

Anyway the police have said they won't enforce it in shops which is at least good news for common sense.

[bad company]

The Spruce Goose said:

Anyway the police have said they won't enforce it in shops which is at least good news for common sense.

I can’t see many shops letting you in without a face covering if that’s the law.

[anonymous-user]

bad company said:

I can’t see many shops letting you in without a face covering if that’s the law.

''Face masks in shops requirement is impossible to enforce, police officers say
But retailers say they won't force customers to follow rules either...''

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/fac...

Police chief says ‘absurd’ face mask rule will be impossible to enforce


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/14/police-chief-says-a...