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The bleep test is down to 5.4 you say. I did a fire service entry bleep test about 15 years ago and failed for not getting to about level 10 iirc. It wasn't lung capacity that did it either, my ankles couldn't take the turns after about level 8. Even an asthmatic tortoise could manage 5.4.
Gwagon111 said:
The bleep test is down to 5.4 you say. I did a fire service entry bleep test about 15 years ago and failed for not getting to about level 10 iirc. It wasn't lung capacity that did it either, my ankles couldn't take the turns after about level 8. Even an asthmatic tortoise could manage 5.4.
Agreed. If your heart is just about beating and you can breathe, you will pass a Police fitness test. It's a joke. They even reduced the firearms fitness standard so more women could pass. I'm all for a 12 monthly (proper) test, but the fat, lazy office dwellers have too much power and it will never happen.
Elroy Blue said:
Gwagon111 said:
The bleep test is down to 5.4 you say. I did a fire service entry bleep test about 15 years ago and failed for not getting to about level 10 iirc. It wasn't lung capacity that did it either, my ankles couldn't take the turns after about level 8. Even an asthmatic tortoise could manage 5.4.
Agreed. If your heart is just about beating and you can breathe, you will pass a Police fitness test. It's a joke. They even reduced the firearms fitness standard so more women could pass. I'm all for a 12 monthly (proper) test, but the fat, lazy office dwellers have too much power and it will never happen.
On traffic we've only had a couple who didn't pass.
I was asked yesterday if I had ever considered the police. I have, but to be honest, I don't have the patience to deal with the scum, whilst being polite, and whilst being the face of a respectable institution.
I suspect nowadays it's a bit of a social care role (no disrespect to the BiB).
I suspect nowadays it's a bit of a social care role (no disrespect to the BiB).
The British police may get up some peoples nose and the cameras are often a taxation racket but at least the police are never after a bribe. If you drive in Bosnia the cops love to stop foreign drivers as an on-the-spot fine can be negotiated. I was once stopped for speeding through a village with no villagers and after i had given the police about £20 i felt i needed to calm down with a coffee so i stopped at a cafe, ten minutes later the two policemen came in and ordered a slap-up meal with beer and paid with MY MONEY: they were naturally very friendly!!
had fairly positive run in's with the law, tho ive been asked some stupid/plain obvious questions. Favorites include "are you insured?" (if i wasnt, im not going to tell you..) and "nice night? pubs busy? ever been arrested before?" (nice try kojak).
oh and i was told i drive very "precisely" and do i always drive like that. this was at 2am after getting pulled by an unmarked vectra, the "precision driving" he was referring to was the fact that i took a bit of a swing at a corner as no one was about.
oh and i was told i drive very "precisely" and do i always drive like that. this was at 2am after getting pulled by an unmarked vectra, the "precision driving" he was referring to was the fact that i took a bit of a swing at a corner as no one was about.
HonestIago said:
Just wondering, is it very difficult to become a high ranking police officer if one is not a freemason?
I think "those days" are pretty much gone. IIRC you have to declare membership of the masons, and the days of having "assistance" to the detriment of others seem long gone. Go back 20-30 years and I think it was a rather different situation, where the correct membership was almost certainly the way forward.I only know two Officers who are masons. Both are still Constables (ie: no promotion) and one of them is getting his arse kicked (good and proper) via the Disciplinary process and PSD at the moment, so clearly being a mason isn't helping him one iota!
My current view on those in high ranks is that to get there you appear to need to be a a bit of a "yes" man, with some sort of pointless degree, not much backbone, a predilection for stabbing others in the back, and little interest in "proper" Policing. There are a few good senior Officers, but not remotely enough (in my experience).
KK
I was brough up to have a respect for authority, but over the years this has diminished more and more. I have been a "victim" 4 times and a "criminal" once; and I have found the police to be useless whenever I have needed them. Once taking 2 weeks to respond so there was no chance of colecting any evidence, on another occasion even on presenting the evidence there was no interest in following up and I was treated more like a criminal than the vistim.
The one that particularly galls me is some years ago when I was young and foolish I crashed into someones wall and drove off. After a sleepless night I wwent to the police to confess. I was charged for leaving the scene even though I reported it within 24 hours. 5 years later someone drove into my car damaging it and drove off leaving no information - fortunately someone saw this and was kind enough to leave the details. When I called the police they eventually came back with the information but were not pressing charges as teh "young lady didn't think she had done much damage".
These days I have very little respect for the police as they appear to choose what to do based on personal feelings and convenience rather than a dispasionnate equal application to all. When I see 12 officetrs standing round to catch a few speeders on the A4 but they cannot spare someone for a serious assault you lose all respect. For whatever reason the prorities of policing are wrong and getting worse not better and on the rare occasions where they do appear to get a reasonable result they are let down by the courts. As far as Im concerned we need more Gene Hunts and to go back to when people were man enough to take responsibility for their actions if caught.
Rant over - no doubt I'll be nicked tonight for something.
The one that particularly galls me is some years ago when I was young and foolish I crashed into someones wall and drove off. After a sleepless night I wwent to the police to confess. I was charged for leaving the scene even though I reported it within 24 hours. 5 years later someone drove into my car damaging it and drove off leaving no information - fortunately someone saw this and was kind enough to leave the details. When I called the police they eventually came back with the information but were not pressing charges as teh "young lady didn't think she had done much damage".
These days I have very little respect for the police as they appear to choose what to do based on personal feelings and convenience rather than a dispasionnate equal application to all. When I see 12 officetrs standing round to catch a few speeders on the A4 but they cannot spare someone for a serious assault you lose all respect. For whatever reason the prorities of policing are wrong and getting worse not better and on the rare occasions where they do appear to get a reasonable result they are let down by the courts. As far as Im concerned we need more Gene Hunts and to go back to when people were man enough to take responsibility for their actions if caught.
Rant over - no doubt I'll be nicked tonight for something.
Goodwin said:
I was brough up to have a respect for authority, but over the years this has diminished more and more. I have been a "victim" 4 times and a "criminal" once; and I have found the police to be useless whenever I have needed them. Once taking 2 weeks to respond so there was no chance of colecting any evidence, on another occasion even on presenting the evidence there was no interest in following up and I was treated more like a criminal than the vistim.
The one that particularly galls me is some years ago when I was young and foolish I crashed into someones wall and drove off. After a sleepless night I wwent to the police to confess. I was charged for leaving the scene even though I reported it within 24 hours. 5 years later someone drove into my car damaging it and drove off leaving no information - fortunately someone saw this and was kind enough to leave the details. When I called the police they eventually came back with the information but were not pressing charges as teh "young lady didn't think she had done much damage".
These days I have very little respect for the police as they appear to choose what to do based on personal feelings and convenience rather than a dispasionnate equal application to all. When I see 12 officetrs standing round to catch a few speeders on the A4 but they cannot spare someone for a serious assault you lose all respect. For whatever reason the prorities of policing are wrong and getting worse not better and on the rare occasions where they do appear to get a reasonable result they are let down by the courts. As far as Im concerned we need more Gene Hunts and to go back to when people were man enough to take responsibility for their actions if caught.
Rant over - no doubt I'll be nicked tonight for something.
The one that particularly galls me is some years ago when I was young and foolish I crashed into someones wall and drove off. After a sleepless night I wwent to the police to confess. I was charged for leaving the scene even though I reported it within 24 hours. 5 years later someone drove into my car damaging it and drove off leaving no information - fortunately someone saw this and was kind enough to leave the details. When I called the police they eventually came back with the information but were not pressing charges as teh "young lady didn't think she had done much damage".
These days I have very little respect for the police as they appear to choose what to do based on personal feelings and convenience rather than a dispasionnate equal application to all. When I see 12 officetrs standing round to catch a few speeders on the A4 but they cannot spare someone for a serious assault you lose all respect. For whatever reason the prorities of policing are wrong and getting worse not better and on the rare occasions where they do appear to get a reasonable result they are let down by the courts. As far as Im concerned we need more Gene Hunts and to go back to when people were man enough to take responsibility for their actions if caught.
Rant over - no doubt I'll be nicked tonight for something.
That is your second one today, so you say you have been treated like a "criminal" and then say criminal are let off ? which one, can;t have it both ways.
When was this magical time when people where man enough to take responsibility, "during the waaaar" ?
No doubt you will get nicked for something, if you don;t will you tell us here ? that would then leaving you will a balanced final statement rather than a daily mail headline line grabbing bunch of bulls
tTampon said:
That is your second one today, so you say you have been treated like a "criminal" and then say criminal are let off ? which one, can;t have it both ways.
When was this magical time when people where man enough to take responsibility, "during the waaaar" ?
No doubt you will get nicked for something, if you don;t will you tell us here ? that would then leaving you will a balanced final statement rather than a daily mail headline line grabbing bunch of bullst
I see no need for your personal attack; I have an opinion - I have stated my opinion, which you are free to disagree with. Why the need to make fun of me? I have not attacked you. I have attacked an organisation, a concept and a decline (from my opinion) in society and social responsibility. If you are only here to try to ridicule people with a different opinion, rather than enter into reasoable debate and offer a different perspective then please find another target.When was this magical time when people where man enough to take responsibility, "during the waaaar" ?
No doubt you will get nicked for something, if you don;t will you tell us here ? that would then leaving you will a balanced final statement rather than a daily mail headline line grabbing bunch of bulls
tGoodwin said:
I see no need for your personal attack; I have an opinion - I have stated my opinion, which you are free to disagree with. Why the need to make fun of me? I have not attacked you. I have attacked an organisation, a concept and a decline (from my opinion) in society and social responsibility. If you are only here to try to ridicule people with a different opinion, rather than enter into reasoable debate and offer a different perspective then please find another target.
Again Goodwin it happened to be a coincidence that the two threads I read were last contributed to by you.I found your opinion on the other thread to be silly and emotive without any basis on facts or real life. Here, the same, you said you were treated like a criminal, but in the same post said that actual criminals were "let off". So how exactly were you treated like that ? It is a oxymoronic comment as well as completely juxtaposed.
You said that you wished time was back when men took responsibility for their actions, this is a dream world, from time immemorial man/woman/beast and boy have tried to benefit themselves sometimes at the costs of others.
You final statement was childish and not a basis for a argument or opinion, if that is the type of debate you have then you are on to a loser without even starting. Again a emotive thing to say to help portray you poorly formed opinion.
I personally love the idea of the police, they have a hard job to do and are hamstrung by "systems". I hate them when they pull me over for speeding and wish they were doing "police work", but if I am honest it is my own defensiveness at being caught and being held accountable for my actions.
Sorry you feel "victimised" I am not singling you out, but I read two things that made me laugh out loud and wanted to put a comic brake on your "opinion". Hopefully this will help stop others reading it and feeling on the fence. to also spout such b
ks without knowing someone out there will take the piss for having such strong "personal opinions" based on "stories" and emotive nuanced statements.I shall bow out scolded by you, the victor and bid adieu.
Edited by Tampon on Friday 17th June 19:10
Tampon said:
Again Goodwin it happened to be a coincidence that the two threads I read were last contributed to by you.
I found your opinion on the other thread to be silly and emotive without any basis on facts or real life. Here, the same, you said you were treated like a criminal, but in the same post said that actual criminals were "let off". So how exactly were you treated like that ? It is a oxymoronic comment as well as completely juxtaposed.
You said that you wished time was back when men took responsibility for their actions, this is a dream world, from time immemorial man/woman/beast and boy have tried to benefit themselves sometimes at the costs of others.
You final statement was childish and not a basis for a argument or opinion, if that is the type of debate you have then you are on to a loser without even starting. Again a emotive thing to say to help portray you poorly formed opinion.
I personally love the idea of the police, they have a hard job to do and are hamstrung by "systems". I hate them when they pull me over for speeding and wish they were doing "police work", but if I am honest it is my own defensiveness at being caught and being held accountable for my actions.
Sorry you feel "victimised" I am not singling you out, but I read two things that made me laugh out loud and wanted to put a comic brake on your "opinion". Hopefully this will help stop others reading it and feeling on the fence. to also spout such bks without knowing someone out there will take the piss for having such strong "personal opinions" based on "stories" and emotive nuanced statements.
I shall bow out scolded by you, the victor and bid adieu.
Then allow me to reply.I found your opinion on the other thread to be silly and emotive without any basis on facts or real life. Here, the same, you said you were treated like a criminal, but in the same post said that actual criminals were "let off". So how exactly were you treated like that ? It is a oxymoronic comment as well as completely juxtaposed.
You said that you wished time was back when men took responsibility for their actions, this is a dream world, from time immemorial man/woman/beast and boy have tried to benefit themselves sometimes at the costs of others.
You final statement was childish and not a basis for a argument or opinion, if that is the type of debate you have then you are on to a loser without even starting. Again a emotive thing to say to help portray you poorly formed opinion.
I personally love the idea of the police, they have a hard job to do and are hamstrung by "systems". I hate them when they pull me over for speeding and wish they were doing "police work", but if I am honest it is my own defensiveness at being caught and being held accountable for my actions.
Sorry you feel "victimised" I am not singling you out, but I read two things that made me laugh out loud and wanted to put a comic brake on your "opinion". Hopefully this will help stop others reading it and feeling on the fence. to also spout such b
ks without knowing someone out there will take the piss for having such strong "personal opinions" based on "stories" and emotive nuanced statements.I shall bow out scolded by you, the victor and bid adieu.
Edited by Tampon on Friday 17th June 19:10
Firstly my other post is based entirely in fact - but yes it may be emotive, the topic would expect people to be emotive. Secondly it is entirely possible to be treated as a criminal, inconvenienced, investigated and yet be let off. So I do not beleive these comments to be oxymoronic. One is about a feeling of inappropriate treatment regarding the circumstances, the second is an opinion of inadequate balance between crime and punishment. If you do not beleive that people should take responsibility for their actions the I beleive you are part of the problem, if however you admit something when caught then you are not. You are correct in that people have always sought an advantage, but as the world has got smaller (metaphorically), people have become more anonymous within their community an so the social pressure to "do the right thing" is far less prevalent than it used to be (as a general statement - I am sure people can provide opposing examples.)
You are welcome to beleive that I am childish but I disagree, my arguement is certainly not poorly formed. In fact in all my encounters with the police I have been in need 4 times, in trouble once. every time I have been in need I haev been let down. I was caught once. This makes a 20% success rate in my personal experience which is not acceptable.
I agree that we need a police force ( I actually do a lot of work with the NPIA these days), but the policing needs to be consistent, reasonable and proportionate; which I dont beleive it is. The job is difficult - partly for some of the social reasons I mention above and partly because of "the system". This does not change the fact that I have far less respect now that at any time in the past. I was trying to provide some basis for what would inevitably be a debateable statement. You appear to disagree and rather than enquiring or opposing my point choose ridicule; without knowing me, my circumstances, background or how I would react. Your reply would have been accepted more in fun if there had been a previous history of banter and discussion.
You may bow out but I have no need to feel victor or otherwise, rather to enter debate and find other opinions. My mind may be changed - to some extent, but not with you approach.
Goodwin said:
Then allow me to reply.
Firstly my other post is based entirely in fact - but yes it may be emotive, the topic would expect people to be emotive. Secondly it is entirely possible to be treated as a criminal, inconvenienced, investigated and yet be let off. So I do not beleive these comments to be oxymoronic. One is about a feeling of inappropriate treatment regarding the circumstances, the second is an opinion of inadequate balance between crime and punishment. If you do not beleive that people should take responsibility for their actions the I beleive you are part of the problem, if however you admit something when caught then you are not. You are correct in that people have always sought an advantage, but as the world has got smaller (metaphorically), people have become more anonymous within their community an so the social pressure to "do the right thing" is far less prevalent than it used to be (as a general statement - I am sure people can provide opposing examples.)
You are welcome to beleive that I am childish but I disagree, my arguement is certainly not poorly formed. In fact in all my encounters with the police I have been in need 4 times, in trouble once. every time I have been in need I haev been let down. I was caught once. This makes a 20% success rate in my personal experience which is not acceptable.
I agree that we need a police force ( I actually do a lot of work with the NPIA these days), but the policing needs to be consistent, reasonable and proportionate; which I dont beleive it is. The job is difficult - partly for some of the social reasons I mention above and partly because of "the system". This does not change the fact that I have far less respect now that at any time in the past. I was trying to provide some basis for what would inevitably be a debateable statement. You appear to disagree and rather than enquiring or opposing my point choose ridicule; without knowing me, my circumstances, background or how I would react. Your reply would have been accepted more in fun if there had been a previous history of banter and discussion.
You may bow out but I have no need to feel victor or otherwise, rather to enter debate and find other opinions. My mind may be changed - to some extent, but not with you approach.
Again I feel your opinion is something I would be ashamed to wear, you don;t and are happy with it. Great.Firstly my other post is based entirely in fact - but yes it may be emotive, the topic would expect people to be emotive. Secondly it is entirely possible to be treated as a criminal, inconvenienced, investigated and yet be let off. So I do not beleive these comments to be oxymoronic. One is about a feeling of inappropriate treatment regarding the circumstances, the second is an opinion of inadequate balance between crime and punishment. If you do not beleive that people should take responsibility for their actions the I beleive you are part of the problem, if however you admit something when caught then you are not. You are correct in that people have always sought an advantage, but as the world has got smaller (metaphorically), people have become more anonymous within their community an so the social pressure to "do the right thing" is far less prevalent than it used to be (as a general statement - I am sure people can provide opposing examples.)
You are welcome to beleive that I am childish but I disagree, my arguement is certainly not poorly formed. In fact in all my encounters with the police I have been in need 4 times, in trouble once. every time I have been in need I haev been let down. I was caught once. This makes a 20% success rate in my personal experience which is not acceptable.
I agree that we need a police force ( I actually do a lot of work with the NPIA these days), but the policing needs to be consistent, reasonable and proportionate; which I dont beleive it is. The job is difficult - partly for some of the social reasons I mention above and partly because of "the system". This does not change the fact that I have far less respect now that at any time in the past. I was trying to provide some basis for what would inevitably be a debateable statement. You appear to disagree and rather than enquiring or opposing my point choose ridicule; without knowing me, my circumstances, background or how I would react. Your reply would have been accepted more in fun if there had been a previous history of banter and discussion.
You may bow out but I have no need to feel victor or otherwise, rather to enter debate and find other opinions. My mind may be changed - to some extent, but not with you approach.
I have no need to change your opinion, I feel it is based alot on you and your experiences which is never going to be balance or unbaised, I would therefore ask that you consider the language you use ie painting a picture that that is the way it is rather than your limited experienced view.
I would switch off in a pub if you spoke like you did here, and if you carried on I would take the piss, on both subject you feel you have been victimised and stalked by me.
I feel we could go round in circles, I know you aren;t going to change your opinion ( I wouldn;t want to ) I am sure you realise I am far far away from you line of thinking.
Tampon said:
Again I feel your opinion is something I would be ashamed to wear, you don;t and are happy with it. Great.
At least I have stated an opinion - all you have done is laughed at mine - you have not stated your position or provided any justification or beleif for holding that opinion.Tampon said:
I feel it is based alot on you and your experiences which is never going to be balance or unbaised, I would therefore ask that you consider the language you use ie painting a picture that that is the way it is rather than your limited experienced view.
Everybody (yes everybody) derives their opinion based on personal experiences there is no other way; even other sources of information, however valid, are weighed based on personal history and experience. To suggest otherwise is naive and to suggest you are totally and completely unbiased and totally balanced is intrinsically flawed.Tampon said:
I am sure you realise I am far far away from you line of thinking.
You disagree with me - but I am not convinced that you think. The concept of debate is that one posits an opinion, position or theory; backing it up with reason - be it personal experience, feeling or solid fact. To have a debate an someone with an opposing view needs to provide a counter opinion and provide reason and justification in a similar manner. So far you argument has amounted to "I don't agree with you so you are an idiot". You have provided no couter thesis, no alternative reason, fact or experience. Based on this lack of argument how do you claim to think - you have not actually stated one position or opinion counter to my argument.My original post is summed up as:-
My respect for the police is less than it used to be.
My reason for this is based on personal experiences of which I shared key points, summing my total police experience to be a negative one (supporting my reduced respect).
If you are "Far Far away" then your respect for the police must be increasing daily and the sum total of your encounters must be positive. In which case I can understand you counter position, but why not state this and stand up like a man and be counted for your beliefs, rather than purile schoolyard name calling - and you call me childish.
Goodwin said:
Lot of nice debating stuff
Goodwin, it is not a debate, I am not arguing your opinion which you offered freely on a internet forum, in your own style. I like a good debate, having just written a thesis on Plato's debates of Socrates. I am fully aware of a argument, how it is formed to make it valid or invalid, how to test, prove and counterclaim and how all of these thing don't make a argument sound.What I did do was take the piss out of you, I find your opinion and especially the language used to convey it, laughable, I still do. It wouldn't form the basis of a debate anywhere, it would get shot to s
t in seconds. Your subsequent posts have shown a higher level of intelligence, and I am surprised the same person thought the original posts were something they wanted to represent them.I try not to argue on the internet, one it won't change anything, two it is like winning gold in the special Olympics. You win but you're still a retard.
On that note, you win.
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