Undertaking on a motorbike
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Hmm you've just described one of the single most dangerous activities on a bike - and you will get "nailed" by a car as you so put it - hope you've got good leathers and a will written for your family.
The number one cause of accidents where the motorcyclist is at fault : bad over/undertaking.
The numgber one cause of accidents where the vehicle
driver is at fault: poor vision when turning.
Just because you think you're safe, I personally don't think you should have a license with that sort of action, either that or I would like to see you pay triple NHS contributions to cover the fact that you are way more likely to suffer an accident than someone who wouldnt do something so stupid (sorry blunt again).
Now then, that may sound pretty contentious
and i'm sure i'm opening a can of worms - but you like every other motorbike rider i've talked to (and I have talked to a hell of a lot) presumes that every other driver (this is the view of 90% of ALL motorists btw) is the problem, no one seems ready to accept that their own standard of driving/riding is crap - i'm telling you, yours is - sorry to be so blunt, but its all ready looking like a record breaking year of the wrong kind for motorcycle deaths, and that sort of driving is going to get you part of that record IMHO.
There is no way you can predict what other people are doing/going to do, and what their level of driver skill is - at 90 mph you are toast, like I say hope your will is all sorted out. I couldn't care less whether you've got 12 yrs experience or 40..
Note: To people reading this - I've done a **** load of road safety research in all fields, its my job - I am blunt - and i'm not afraid to write/speak what I think, i'm not trolling.
The number one cause of accidents where the motorcyclist is at fault : bad over/undertaking.
The numgber one cause of accidents where the vehicle
driver is at fault: poor vision when turning.
Just because you think you're safe, I personally don't think you should have a license with that sort of action, either that or I would like to see you pay triple NHS contributions to cover the fact that you are way more likely to suffer an accident than someone who wouldnt do something so stupid (sorry blunt again).
Now then, that may sound pretty contentious
and i'm sure i'm opening a can of worms - but you like every other motorbike rider i've talked to (and I have talked to a hell of a lot) presumes that every other driver (this is the view of 90% of ALL motorists btw) is the problem, no one seems ready to accept that their own standard of driving/riding is crap - i'm telling you, yours is - sorry to be so blunt, but its all ready looking like a record breaking year of the wrong kind for motorcycle deaths, and that sort of driving is going to get you part of that record IMHO. There is no way you can predict what other people are doing/going to do, and what their level of driver skill is - at 90 mph you are toast, like I say hope your will is all sorted out. I couldn't care less whether you've got 12 yrs experience or 40..
Note: To people reading this - I've done a **** load of road safety research in all fields, its my job - I am blunt - and i'm not afraid to write/speak what I think, i'm not trolling.
[quote=kurgis]Hmm you've just described one of the single most dangerous activities on a bike - and you will get "nailed" by a car as you so put it - hope you've got good leathers and a will written for your family.
Did I say I would get nailed by a car errr, no I did not. I see people doing this every day with no regard for junctions, road flow etc etc I am not one of these.
The number one cause of accidents where the motorcyclist is at fault : bad over/undertaking.
The numgber one cause of accidents where the vehicle
driver is at fault: poor vision when turning.
Just because you think you're safe, I personally don't think you should have a license with that sort of action, either that or I would like to see you pay triple NHS contributions to cover the fact that you are way more likely to suffer an accident than someone who wouldnt do something so stupid (sorry blunt again).
So taking that further you would have me give up motorcycling all together would you? I guess you are one of those cotton wool merchants.
Now then, that may sound pretty contentious and i'm sure i'm opening a can of worms - but you like every other motorbike rider i've talked to (and I have talked to a hell of a lot) presumes that every other driver (this is the view of 90% of ALL motorists btw) is the problem.
Don't agree at all. I try to ride safely taking into account other road users. You accept that people might not have seen you and ride accordingly. I accept that if I am undertaking and have an accident that I should not have performed the undertake. However, I ride in such a way as to minimise this happening. I guess you would have us all sitting in a queue with all the cars (or off the road altogether)?
If you note I agree with Streetcop and his 95% comment.
Note: To people reading this - I've done a **** load of road safety research in all fields, its my job
Research is all very well but, as my biology teacher used to say, 'nothing is better than a bit of practical'. I take it you have never been on a bike?
>> Edited by mattrsv on Tuesday 13th July 11:17
Did I say I would get nailed by a car errr, no I did not. I see people doing this every day with no regard for junctions, road flow etc etc I am not one of these.
The number one cause of accidents where the motorcyclist is at fault : bad over/undertaking.
The numgber one cause of accidents where the vehicle
driver is at fault: poor vision when turning.
Just because you think you're safe, I personally don't think you should have a license with that sort of action, either that or I would like to see you pay triple NHS contributions to cover the fact that you are way more likely to suffer an accident than someone who wouldnt do something so stupid (sorry blunt again).
So taking that further you would have me give up motorcycling all together would you? I guess you are one of those cotton wool merchants.
Now then, that may sound pretty contentious
and i'm sure i'm opening a can of worms - but you like every other motorbike rider i've talked to (and I have talked to a hell of a lot) presumes that every other driver (this is the view of 90% of ALL motorists btw) is the problem. Don't agree at all. I try to ride safely taking into account other road users. You accept that people might not have seen you and ride accordingly. I accept that if I am undertaking and have an accident that I should not have performed the undertake. However, I ride in such a way as to minimise this happening. I guess you would have us all sitting in a queue with all the cars (or off the road altogether)?
If you note I agree with Streetcop and his 95% comment.
Note: To people reading this - I've done a **** load of road safety research in all fields, its my job
Research is all very well but, as my biology teacher used to say, 'nothing is better than a bit of practical'. I take it you have never been on a bike?
>> Edited by mattrsv on Tuesday 13th July 11:17
Yes i've been on a bike - as a pillion 
Quite a few times in fact - have I ridden one - no.
Sorry it still smacks to me as incredibly dangerous, especially if after you've followed someone for some distance, flashed them to get them to try and shift over, and they havn't (i.e. we're talking about some who isn't checking their mirrors...), that to pull that at those speeds.. well, grim basically.
To you whom think i'm trolling - if I was, the post would of been a lot harsher, and more personal - I'm just putting my view over about something i'm having difficulty getting my head round, if you can't hack that - tough shit, i'll say what I what, and what I think - just like most of you do on here.
Quite a few times in fact - have I ridden one - no. Sorry it still smacks to me as incredibly dangerous, especially if after you've followed someone for some distance, flashed them to get them to try and shift over, and they havn't (i.e. we're talking about some who isn't checking their mirrors...), that to pull that at those speeds.. well, grim basically.
To you whom think i'm trolling - if I was, the post would of been a lot harsher, and more personal - I'm just putting my view over about something i'm having difficulty getting my head round, if you can't hack that - tough shit, i'll say what I what, and what I think - just like most of you do on here.
Actually I think Kurgis is totally correct. I have lived and breathed motorcyles of all types from an early age, I have been off dozens of times and if Im honest I have to admit that in most instances its been my fault or at the least my mistake. Far too few motorcylists are honest enough to accept their proportion of the blame and believe that it should be everybody elses responsibility to keep them out of trouble, the truth is if you ride a bike be man enough to accept the risks and only do it if you are prepared to off set these risks against the thrill, rewards, and enjoyment you get out of it. Its also down to no one else except yourself to stay out of trouble, if you treat every other vehicle as hostile and ride accordingly it should be fine, but when you take a chance balance it against what it does for you.
kurgis said:
Yes i've been on a bike - as a pillion
Sorry it still smacks to me as incredibly dangerous, especially if after you've followed someone for some distance, flashed them to get them to try and shift over, and they havn't (i.e. we're talking about some who isn't checking their mirrors...), that to pull that at those speeds.. well, grim basically.
Flash them?? Where did that come from? You can you road position as an indicator to other road users politely, but then you would know that if you rode a bike!
To you whom think i'm trolling - if I was, the post would of been a lot harsher, and more personal - I'm just putting my view over about something i'm having difficulty getting my head round,
What are you having trouble getting your head around?
if you can't hack that - tough shit, i'll say what I what, and what I think - just like most of you do on here.
Fair enough!! No problems there and I am interested in views, hence the post in the first place
Mel, I agree with most of what you said there (apart from the first sentance), as I said before obviously it is up to me to make sure I stay safe, not rely upon other road users.
What i'm having trouble getting my head round is the risk you'd take daily by undertaking like that - thats why I think you'll end up an accident stat, passing along my desk, sooner rather than later.
Why? Because despite all your training, skill, defensive riding, treating everybody else on the road as dangerous to you - you still can't influence that other driver, and lets face it, if we're talking about someone who for a mile or two hasn't noticed you behind him/her and pull over to let you past properly, we're probably talking about someone with a low standard of driving skill anyway. They may decide its there turn off or just pull a dumbass lane change - and where is that going to leave you?
Thats what I can't get my head round *shrug* its your life, but something I read today, written in the Indies Motoring section caught my eye: "I couldn't walk for 2 months but it taught me a serious lesson about riding, if you're reckless, you will pay with extreme pain". What you do to me daily, I would describe as reckless.
As for this;
c'mon Juk you can do better than that cheap shot - its a bit poor, say what you really think - we can have a good ol flame fest and get banned by Ted.
Why? Because despite all your training, skill, defensive riding, treating everybody else on the road as dangerous to you - you still can't influence that other driver, and lets face it, if we're talking about someone who for a mile or two hasn't noticed you behind him/her and pull over to let you past properly, we're probably talking about someone with a low standard of driving skill anyway. They may decide its there turn off or just pull a dumbass lane change - and where is that going to leave you?
Thats what I can't get my head round
*shrug* its your life, but something I read today, written in the Indies Motoring section caught my eye: "I couldn't walk for 2 months but it taught me a serious lesson about riding, if you're reckless, you will pay with extreme pain". What you do to me daily, I would describe as reckless. As for this;
Juk said:
Thats clear then
c'mon Juk you can do better than that cheap shot - its a bit poor, say what you really think - we can have a good ol flame fest and get banned by Ted.
When I overtake on my bike, in fact even when I'm just pootling along, I try and put myself in the position of the myopic motorist who hasn't seen me yet. That way, when I do overtake they don't get the chance to smear me up the road. This doesn't just go for my bike, but car and artic also.
Undertaking on a bike?, I do it all the time, especially when people show poor lane discipline. Do it on my bike, I'm up for grabs, and I know it. Do it in my truck, then I get to laugh my bollocks off when they try cutting back in without checking their mirrors.
Phil
Undertaking on a bike?, I do it all the time, especially when people show poor lane discipline. Do it on my bike, I'm up for grabs, and I know it. Do it in my truck, then I get to laugh my bollocks off when they try cutting back in without checking their mirrors.
Phil
kurgis said:
What i'm having trouble getting my head round is the risk you'd take daily
Thats why you're one of them and not one of us. Sorry but motorcycles are either in your blood or not, its like a drug, I've tried to give up and can't, despite all the time I've spent in plaster, the friends funerals I've been to, the other friends with bits of body missing it makes no difference, it floats my boat and that's why I do it and that includes going quicker than anything else on the road, overtaking on the left and filtering. If you don't get it don't try but please let those of us that are prepared to take the risks with informed opinion get on with it.
I think you'd get a different set of responses posting this on the General board for more car driver views than fellow biker or antagonising car drivers on this board.
Typically, car drivers think in terms of car manoeuvre times, so cannot appreciate that passing someone on a bike at a 20mph differential gives you an awful lot of time and room to play with and adjust your behaviour as the environment changes.
At any point before reaching the back of the vehicle to be passed you have an option of slowing and moving away from this vehicle. 20 mph can be scrubbed off a bike's speed in no time at all.
From near the rear of the vehicle, say blind spot area up to level with the car, the most likely option is accelerating and moving away slightly. This should put you into view where the motion *will* be picked up by the driver unless they are looking over their shoulder at the time and the chances are that the movement will surprise them enough to halt their movement towards the bike whilst they register what the unexpected movement was.
From the front door forwards you already have enough of an advantage that maintaining respective speeds will see the bike ahead with no further action necessary.
Perhaps even more so at M-way speeds than round town a car pretty much telegraphs the intentions of the driver before any manoeuvre is attempted. A lane change rapid enough to catch a bike out would be destabilising for the car/van etc involved. The worst condition to be in is alongside moving in lanes travelling at approximately the same speed. Too many drivers check their mirrors without looking for the space they want to move in to when pulling back in. Taught to bike riders as the 'lifesaver'.
Typically, car drivers think in terms of car manoeuvre times, so cannot appreciate that passing someone on a bike at a 20mph differential gives you an awful lot of time and room to play with and adjust your behaviour as the environment changes.
At any point before reaching the back of the vehicle to be passed you have an option of slowing and moving away from this vehicle. 20 mph can be scrubbed off a bike's speed in no time at all.
From near the rear of the vehicle, say blind spot area up to level with the car, the most likely option is accelerating and moving away slightly. This should put you into view where the motion *will* be picked up by the driver unless they are looking over their shoulder at the time and the chances are that the movement will surprise them enough to halt their movement towards the bike whilst they register what the unexpected movement was.
From the front door forwards you already have enough of an advantage that maintaining respective speeds will see the bike ahead with no further action necessary.
Perhaps even more so at M-way speeds than round town a car pretty much telegraphs the intentions of the driver before any manoeuvre is attempted. A lane change rapid enough to catch a bike out would be destabilising for the car/van etc involved. The worst condition to be in is alongside moving in lanes travelling at approximately the same speed. Too many drivers check their mirrors without looking for the space they want to move in to when pulling back in. Taught to bike riders as the 'lifesaver'.
gRsf12. Yup, that is the case well put. A modern sportsbike can accelerate and brake in nano seconds, a suitably competent and alert rider following correct observation can undertake a car in perhaps a second or less. They will also, unless incredibly stupid, stay as far left of the car as possible so that should Mr. Numpty pull in, then they are out of harms way before he gets there. On average, done correctly, I have no fears about this manouvre. It represents a damn sight less risk than tailgating in a tin box for example.
Once again though, what is the cause of this manouvre? Yes, braindead driver with zero observation or lane discipline. That is what we need to be getting at.
Once again though, what is the cause of this manouvre? Yes, braindead driver with zero observation or lane discipline. That is what we need to be getting at.
I stopped riding a bike about 7 years ago, after some 20 years of happy riding. I still miss it, and were circumstances different, I would get back to it again.
The matter of undertaking should not be taken lightly, and it would appear from most of the posts that it isn't. It doesn't really matter who is at fault in a car/ bike collision, the biker will usually come off worst, so best to avoid it in the first place. You can be in the right, but there's no point in being dead right (sic).
Filtering through rush hour traffic or a motorway "car park" is fine. Undertaking at speed, no matter how ignorant or blind the driver you are passing, is more risky. The relative speed is irrelevant, it's the speed that you hit the road or tree or wall that matters, so if you get tipped off, it's going to hurt.
I nearly crashed my bike when I encountered my first motorway tailback some 26 years ago. It was about 8 miles long, on the A1 near Doncaster. Here were all these cars and trucks going absoloutely nowhere, and I was bimbling past them at about 20 mph on my CJ 250T. I nearly crashed because I was laughing so much.
Passing and filtering through a huge traffic jam was one of the biggest pleasures of riding a bike. I still smile when I am stuck in my car, and I see a bike filtering past me.
Over the years, I noticed that car drivers were increasingly prepared to make a little more romm for bikes, and I always aknowledged them with a wee wave. Occasionally I would come across a moron who would deliberately try and close the gap, but that would cost them their wing mirrors, being at handlebar height. Tw*ts.
I have no idea of the behaviour of car drivers nowadays regarding bikers filtering, except my own. However, road rage is still on the rise, and bikers are particularly vulnerable, so take it easy, and ride safe.
The matter of undertaking should not be taken lightly, and it would appear from most of the posts that it isn't. It doesn't really matter who is at fault in a car/ bike collision, the biker will usually come off worst, so best to avoid it in the first place. You can be in the right, but there's no point in being dead right (sic).
Filtering through rush hour traffic or a motorway "car park" is fine. Undertaking at speed, no matter how ignorant or blind the driver you are passing, is more risky. The relative speed is irrelevant, it's the speed that you hit the road or tree or wall that matters, so if you get tipped off, it's going to hurt.
I nearly crashed my bike when I encountered my first motorway tailback some 26 years ago. It was about 8 miles long, on the A1 near Doncaster. Here were all these cars and trucks going absoloutely nowhere, and I was bimbling past them at about 20 mph on my CJ 250T. I nearly crashed because I was laughing so much.
Passing and filtering through a huge traffic jam was one of the biggest pleasures of riding a bike. I still smile when I am stuck in my car, and I see a bike filtering past me.
Over the years, I noticed that car drivers were increasingly prepared to make a little more romm for bikes, and I always aknowledged them with a wee wave. Occasionally I would come across a moron who would deliberately try and close the gap, but that would cost them their wing mirrors, being at handlebar height. Tw*ts.
I have no idea of the behaviour of car drivers nowadays regarding bikers filtering, except my own. However, road rage is still on the rise, and bikers are particularly vulnerable, so take it easy, and ride safe.
Why not just chill out, slow down and remember the cbt training you were given.
It's a public road, there are innocent people about, and you shouldn't really be making lanes for yourself and undertaking full stop.
I can't see a problem for bikers if they drive where cars do. In essence thats where your meant to be, like your taught on your cbt.
Making a 4th lane on a motorway, making a right hand turn lane at lights etc etc are all putting you at more risk since people in cars/trucks don't expect you to be there... siply put you shouldn't be there.
In the end if you hurt or kill an innocent person because of it, your in deep shite... dangerous driving isn't a nice offence to have on your record.
I simply say, if it's busy and loads of people about, keep to the limits and drive steady away. There is no rush to die, and no rush to kill other innocent people in the worst case.
If it's quiet, go for it, your only putting yourself at risk, and the risks are much lower on you too. Best to get your thrills woithout endangering others lives. Much less likely to be excessively done by the police too if your on your own, they can't say you were endangering others lives etc...
Please just think about other road users Public road when public are about, private race track when your the only one about
Dave
It's a public road, there are innocent people about, and you shouldn't really be making lanes for yourself and undertaking full stop.
I can't see a problem for bikers if they drive where cars do. In essence thats where your meant to be, like your taught on your cbt.
Making a 4th lane on a motorway, making a right hand turn lane at lights etc etc are all putting you at more risk since people in cars/trucks don't expect you to be there... siply put you shouldn't be there.
In the end if you hurt or kill an innocent person because of it, your in deep shite... dangerous driving isn't a nice offence to have on your record.
I simply say, if it's busy and loads of people about, keep to the limits and drive steady away. There is no rush to die, and no rush to kill other innocent people in the worst case.
If it's quiet, go for it, your only putting yourself at risk, and the risks are much lower on you too. Best to get your thrills woithout endangering others lives. Much less likely to be excessively done by the police too if your on your own, they can't say you were endangering others lives etc...
Please just think about other road users
Public road when public are about, private race track when your the only one about Dave
Not being a bike rider I will probably be shot down in flames....but I cant remember where it said that having 2 extra wheels meant you were not entitled to an opinion on these things..
I think in the motorway 'car park' scenario it is 'acceptable' (if technically illegal) for bikes to ride between to lanes of traffic when the said traffic is stationary/moving very slowly.
However I am often overtaken by bikes at much higher speeds and in much more dangerous circumstances. Favourite is when I am making good progress along a major road (often overtaking the bike in question) and then I meet slower traffic in the outside lane. Said bike then comes up behind and blats up between the two rows of traffic. Now the cause of such a tailback can be any of a number of reasons, but usually it is a 'slower' car overtaking someone. In my eyes everyone has a right to overtake, and yes, sometimes that may even hold up some of the faster moving traffic for a short while. However if such a manouver is executed correctly and quickly, why should then not be allowed to do it??
Now in such circulmstances I cannot be described as impeding the bikes progress (I was travelling faster than in perhaps in the first place) and neither am I a numpty hogging the outside lane, it is just a fact of life that the roads are busy.
Having said that 9/10 the manouver is done safely, but it is that 1/10 that sticks in the drivers mind and builds resentment which in the future may lead to someone closing the door on a bike
I think more dangerous however is the 'moving car park' scenario, especially when junctions are approaching and bikes seem to undertake and then get pissed off when someone changes lane. Unfortunately bikes are not always visible, sometimes they are approaching appreciably faster than the bulk of the traffic so people get caught in between rearward observations, and last but not least, dont forget in such circumstances boredom/lack of concentration/frustration can easily affect the best of drivers and lead to unusual lane behavior.
what always makes me wonder is why, if someone undertakes a numpty in a car, it is a terrible sin, and yet on a bike it is normal practice.
I think one of the earlier comments was quite insightful - here are people openly admitting to carrying out an illegal and potentially dangerous manouver - yet they are perfect and everyone else is a numpty.....most people always like to blame others...
(just to add finally, I did ride a bike years ago and I did undertake too, if I rode a bike now I would undoubtedly still do it - it doesnt make it right thoug)
I think in the motorway 'car park' scenario it is 'acceptable' (if technically illegal) for bikes to ride between to lanes of traffic when the said traffic is stationary/moving very slowly.
However I am often overtaken by bikes at much higher speeds and in much more dangerous circumstances. Favourite is when I am making good progress along a major road (often overtaking the bike in question) and then I meet slower traffic in the outside lane. Said bike then comes up behind and blats up between the two rows of traffic. Now the cause of such a tailback can be any of a number of reasons, but usually it is a 'slower' car overtaking someone. In my eyes everyone has a right to overtake, and yes, sometimes that may even hold up some of the faster moving traffic for a short while. However if such a manouver is executed correctly and quickly, why should then not be allowed to do it??
Now in such circulmstances I cannot be described as impeding the bikes progress (I was travelling faster than in perhaps in the first place) and neither am I a numpty hogging the outside lane, it is just a fact of life that the roads are busy.
Having said that 9/10 the manouver is done safely, but it is that 1/10 that sticks in the drivers mind and builds resentment which in the future may lead to someone closing the door on a bike
I think more dangerous however is the 'moving car park' scenario, especially when junctions are approaching and bikes seem to undertake and then get pissed off when someone changes lane. Unfortunately bikes are not always visible, sometimes they are approaching appreciably faster than the bulk of the traffic so people get caught in between rearward observations, and last but not least, dont forget in such circumstances boredom/lack of concentration/frustration can easily affect the best of drivers and lead to unusual lane behavior.
what always makes me wonder is why, if someone undertakes a numpty in a car, it is a terrible sin, and yet on a bike it is normal practice.
I think one of the earlier comments was quite insightful - here are people openly admitting to carrying out an illegal and potentially dangerous manouver - yet they are perfect and everyone else is a numpty.....most people always like to blame others...
(just to add finally, I did ride a bike years ago and I did undertake too, if I rode a bike now I would undoubtedly still do it - it doesnt make it right thoug)
"I think one of the earlier comments was quite insightful - here are people openly admitting to carrying out an illegal and potentially dangerous manouver - yet they are perfect and everyone else is a numpty.....most people always like to blame others... "
Which comment??? Is this the none existent quote like the 'flashing lights' one from earlier?
I don't have time to look in detail, but cannot remember anyone saying that all car drivers are numpties, or to blame, in fact , quite the opposite. Nor have I, or anyone else said they are perfect. I accept that people may not see me and I ride accordingly. I do not expect everyone to check there mirrors every 3 seconds, nor do I expect everyone to not make a mistake at any time. That said, there are without doubt idiots (don't even bother Gone, I already know you think I am one of them) on the road in all forms of vehicle and I am sure me all come across these from time to time.
There have been a couple of mis-quoted comments, or suggestions on here. Possibly this is one? (Primed and ready to be flamed, as I have not looked through the whole thread). There has been mention of cars not moving over and we all know that this happens too, no big deal for me. No drama, (no flashing of lights etc) undertake. If the traffic is queued in the outside lane because it is busy, no drama, undertake. Approaching junctions, where cars may want to manoeuver, don't undertake, easy as that. We can all flow (and get) along perfectly sensibly
My safety is of my concern and I do not leave my well being on the assumed skill of others. As I have said before, I do undertake, but it is up to me to perform this safely, not to assume others have seen me and I would not chastise them for not seeing me (e.g. flashing lights)
Most people who ride a bike also drive a car. This is most certainly not an Us against Them thread!
I really have to get on with some work now!!
Quote "I do undertake, but it is up to me to perform this safely"
And why on earth does the Highway code forbid this behaviour? Because it isn't safe... especially along an "invisible" lane you create on a motorbike!
It's like me saying I'll powerslide around a roundabout while other traffic is using it, and it's upto me to do it safely.
It's not safe either way you look at it, and it's not your safety I worry about, it's the innocent people who "can" get caught up in it!
I think when you've seriosuly injured yourself or someone else through stupid careless driving, or someone does it to you, you'll realise how irresponsible you are for driving like that and hopefully drive with other people in consideration... seems your "I do undertake, but it is up to me to perform this safely" only bothered about your safety and not others!!!
Seya
Dave
And why on earth does the Highway code forbid this behaviour? Because it isn't safe... especially along an "invisible" lane you create on a motorbike!
It's like me saying I'll powerslide around a roundabout while other traffic is using it, and it's upto me to do it safely.
It's not safe either way you look at it, and it's not your safety I worry about, it's the innocent people who "can" get caught up in it!
I think when you've seriosuly injured yourself or someone else through stupid careless driving, or someone does it to you, you'll realise how irresponsible you are for driving like that and hopefully drive with other people in consideration... seems your "I do undertake, but it is up to me to perform this safely" only bothered about your safety and not others!!!
Seya
Dave
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