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He must have had some very plausible mittigation.
How can he now give evidence in court as he will have to disclose his discipline record to the defence? He has been found guilty of trying to fabricate evidence or the facts surrounding a criminal investigation (itself an attempt to pervert justcice).
Much for a defence counsell to get their teeth into and dispute anything he writes or says!!!
How can he now give evidence in court as he will have to disclose his discipline record to the defence? He has been found guilty of trying to fabricate evidence or the facts surrounding a criminal investigation (itself an attempt to pervert justcice).
Much for a defence counsell to get their teeth into and dispute anything he writes or says!!!
I (and many people I know) are rapidly losing faith in those who run the constabularies, and in the CPS.
Far too much effort is being expended on "easy-to-enforce" crimes (not just speeding) and far too little on those that matter to "the man in the street".
I speak from the experience of seeing those who hospitalised my brother and his friend NOT being prosecuted, despite witnesses, because the CPS felt "there was too little chance of success"!!!
This group are known to the police, have attacked dozens of people near where my family are (suburbia, NOT city-centre), and keep getting away with it. And the support and leadership shown by the individual officers in this case...NONE!
With due respect to those officers who frequent the forum and show sense and reasonable judgement, why should the public continue to respect the office of "policeman"???
Policeman means "man of the people". It is about time that those in charge of the police (including the Home Office) started realising this.
Far too much effort is being expended on "easy-to-enforce" crimes (not just speeding) and far too little on those that matter to "the man in the street".
I speak from the experience of seeing those who hospitalised my brother and his friend NOT being prosecuted, despite witnesses, because the CPS felt "there was too little chance of success"!!!
This group are known to the police, have attacked dozens of people near where my family are (suburbia, NOT city-centre), and keep getting away with it. And the support and leadership shown by the individual officers in this case...NONE! With due respect to those officers who frequent the forum and show sense and reasonable judgement, why should the public continue to respect the office of "policeman"???
Policeman means "man of the people". It is about time that those in charge of the police (including the Home Office) started realising this.
havoc said:
With due respect to those officers who frequent the forum and show sense and reasonable judgement, why should the public continue to respect the office of "policeman"???
They do not, well many of them don't.
Other officers and myself have said it in the past. You get the Policing you deserve.
Policing is driven by the perceptions of our political masters which are driven by the people they govern.
Lots of people whingeing about speeders?
Lots of people whingeing about fox hunting?
Lots of people whingeing about miscarriage of justice?
You see where I am going,
Politicians then put pressure on Police/CPS to crack down on these sorts of public concerns.
I am sad to hear about your personal problem regarding the assault. This is inevitable though as CPS will not prosecute unless there is insummountable evidence to convict (miscarriage of justcice?). It works the other way though, what about the miscarriage of justice to the victim? That is expendable because it does not cost lots of money and is easier and more efficient to discontinue with a letter apologising for 'lack of evidence'
havoc said:
Policeman means "man of the people". It is about time that those in charge of the police (including the Home Office) started realising this.
That is just the problem. The people and Politicians see the Police as all encompassing. They have gone away from the core business of catching and prosecuting offenders and started to diverge into social service agendas where the other agencies cannot cope. Too much to do, with direction changing at a galloping speed leaves little resources to deal with the main and core functions!
havoc said:
I speak from the experience of seeing those who hospitalised my brother and his friend NOT being prosecuted, despite witnesses, because the CPS felt "there was too little chance of success"!!!
Sorry to hear of that....It goes on...only today I was in court...but we'll not go down that road..
havoc said:
With due respect to those officers who frequent the forum and show sense and reasonable judgement, why should the public continue to respect the office of "policeman"???
Because that respect is what separates you from the scum. Lose it and scum you become. IMHO of course.
In addition, we are what separates the likes of you from the sub human scum that would crush you in their need for what you've got.
[quote=havoc]Policeman means "man of the people". It is about time that those in charge of the police (including the Home Office) started realising this.
It doesn't. POLICEMAN means a member of the police service or one holding the rank of constable
Street
Another way of describing my (our) role is
"Dustbinmen of society"
I think it sums it up in many ways. My opinion on this excuse for a police officer is strong.
If all that has been reported is true, he should be out of a job, simple as that. How on earth can he uphold the law if he cannot abide by it. What would happen if he came across a similar situation while working.
To think that a PC with 20 odd years service was slung out for slapping a scrote on the head, while this waster stays on really gets up my nose.
>> Edited by silverback mike on Friday 24th September 18:39
"Dustbinmen of society"
I think it sums it up in many ways. My opinion on this excuse for a police officer is strong.
If all that has been reported is true, he should be out of a job, simple as that. How on earth can he uphold the law if he cannot abide by it. What would happen if he came across a similar situation while working.
To think that a PC with 20 odd years service was slung out for slapping a scrote on the head, while this waster stays on really gets up my nose.
>> Edited by silverback mike on Friday 24th September 18:39
gone said:
That is just the problem. The people and Politicians see the Police as all encompassing. They have gone away from the core business of catching and prosecuting offenders and started to diverge into social service agendas where the other agencies cannot cope. Too much to do, with direction changing at a galloping speed leaves little resources to deal with the main and core functions!
Well said Gone....that I like.
DVD
silverback mike said:
If this is what happened, it is wrong.
Has the media reported it correctly? If they have then it is wrong, if you uphold the law, you abide by it.
Media did report correctly - pal of mine treated his victims. It was a very nasty incident.
Agree - the BiBs in this family say that it was drummed intothem when they joined up that they are "ambassadors of the LAW" and as such are required not to do anything in either professional or private lives which brings it into disrepute.
This man should not be allowed to continue - how sure can we be of truthfulness of his evidence if he is blokey holding the speed cam....
It costs a lot of money to train a doctor - and a lot of money to train up a "toppest scientist" as well
It also costs to train an accountant, a teacher, a nurse, a dentist, a lawyer, etc. If these professionals commit some act which compromises their professionalism - the relevant professional bodies take disciplinary procedures against them - and if very serious - struck off and not allowed to continue in this line of work - and prosecuted in courts if needs be.
And if it is serious as a police officer apparently perverting the course of justice by falsifying evidence by respraying his car, trying to get his girlfriend to take the punishment, driving without insurance. hitting, running and leaving his victims in seriously injured condition, then he should be sacked and he should be banged up in jail .
I want professionals in a police force - not workshy sick leave saddos who cannot hack it and are more corrupt than the Chavs they are supposed to be protecting me and mine from.
In short - people like the BiBs who post on here - the true professionals .....
>> Edited by Mad Moggie on Saturday 25th September 11:55
POLITICALLY CORRECT! 
To get the sack, all he needed to have done would be use a 3 letter word...
Policeman sacked over racist jibe
Race issues in the UK: special report
Jessie Scott
Friday June 16, 2000
The Guardian
A police officer in Bradford has been sacked for calling an Asian colleague a "wog" in a dispute over work rotas.
Community constable Rick Pentith, 33, who was based at Eccleshill, has lodged an appeal against the dismissal.
The insult, which was admitted by Mr Pentith, was overheard by a senior officer at another station who was on the telephone at the time to Eccleshill. The Asian officer, who has transferred to another station, did not lodge a complaint.
West Yorkshire police's discipline and complaints department was called in and a panel this week required Mr Pentith to resign.
It is the first such action since the Macpherson report into the botched investigation following the racist murder of black teenager Stephen Lawrence.
West Yorkshire police authority said yesterday that it showed that racism was being taken seriously.
The disciplinary panel which required Mr Pentith to resign was made up of an assistant chief constable and two chief superintendents.
Neil Taggart, chairman of the police authority, said: "This is a landmark case. The authority and the chief constable are united in making clear that racist behaviour or comments are unacceptable."
The West Yorkshire assistant chief constable, Steve Smith, who has overall responsibility for community and race relations, said: "Racist language or behaviour by any member of West Yorkshire police is unacceptable."
Roger Benn, West Yorkshire chairman of the Police Federation, which represented Mr Pentith, said that an appeal had been lodged with the chief constable, Graham Moore. The West Yorkshire force has been campaigning to boost the numbers of ethnic minority officers in a drive called "A Team Strengthened by Differences."
Policeman sacked over racist jibe
Race issues in the UK: special report
Jessie Scott
Friday June 16, 2000
The Guardian
A police officer in Bradford has been sacked for calling an Asian colleague a "wog" in a dispute over work rotas.
Community constable Rick Pentith, 33, who was based at Eccleshill, has lodged an appeal against the dismissal.
The insult, which was admitted by Mr Pentith, was overheard by a senior officer at another station who was on the telephone at the time to Eccleshill. The Asian officer, who has transferred to another station, did not lodge a complaint.
West Yorkshire police's discipline and complaints department was called in and a panel this week required Mr Pentith to resign.
It is the first such action since the Macpherson report into the botched investigation following the racist murder of black teenager Stephen Lawrence.
West Yorkshire police authority said yesterday that it showed that racism was being taken seriously.
The disciplinary panel which required Mr Pentith to resign was made up of an assistant chief constable and two chief superintendents.
Neil Taggart, chairman of the police authority, said: "This is a landmark case. The authority and the chief constable are united in making clear that racist behaviour or comments are unacceptable."
The West Yorkshire assistant chief constable, Steve Smith, who has overall responsibility for community and race relations, said: "Racist language or behaviour by any member of West Yorkshire police is unacceptable."
Roger Benn, West Yorkshire chairman of the Police Federation, which represented Mr Pentith, said that an appeal had been lodged with the chief constable, Graham Moore. The West Yorkshire force has been campaigning to boost the numbers of ethnic minority officers in a drive called "A Team Strengthened by Differences."
Streetcop said:
Policeman means "man of the people". It is about time that those in charge of the police (including the Home Office) started realising this.
It doesn't. POLICEMAN means a member of the police service or one holding the rank of constable
Street
Not a Pratchett fan then Street?
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