Banned from driving ? Explain !

[catso]

It may be the law but it's sh1t, punishment should fit the crime.

Driving bans should only be given to someone who is really a danger to others when driving (but not just for a few mph over the limit), certainly not for non-motoring offences.

Oh and anyone who thinks this law's ok is wrong!

[Cooperman]

Maybe someone who has not paid the CSA awarded maintenance money, and who loses his licence might be pleased. He can then sign on the dole due to loss of job, pay no more maintenance (the state, that's you and me, will pick up the tab) and use the now well-known methods of avoiding being caught whilst still continuing to drive and to work within the 'black' economy (strictly cash, you understand).
Personally, I'm at a complete loss to understand how disqualifying someone who fails to pay his child maintenance will help anyone in any way. It just seems like a spiteful action by the judiciary.
Now, if you disqualified people from holding a TV licence, that might have some effect!

[Size Nine Elm]

catso said:

It may be the law but it's sh1t, punishment should fit the crime. Driving bans should only be given to someone who is really a danger to others when driving (but not just for a few mph over the limit), certainly not for non-motoring offences. Oh and anyone who thinks this law's ok is wrong!

I don't necessarily think the law is correct, but...

Fining someone the money they earn from a job. How is that related to, for example, hare coursing?

Locking someone in prison for a couple of months. How is that related to, for example, hare coursing?

Putting someone on 200 hours community service. How is that related to, for example, hare coursing?

So being disqualified from driving is no more relevant a punishment for an offense than other existing punishments - just another different measure which affects people in another way.

[busa_rush]

Cooperman said:

It just seems like a spiteful action by the judiciary.

I think that's all it is, doesn't help anybody nor punish anybody, loss of license won't stop many people driving these days. Just puts another uninsured driver on the road and with the number of plod reducing, it's getting harder to police.

[jacko lah]

autismuk said:

streaky said: Section 146 of the Powers of Criminal Courts (Sentencing) Act 2000 enables the court to impose a driving disqualification on any person convicted of an offence after 31st December 1997. It states:- 146 (1) The court by or before which a person is convicted of an offence committed after 31st December 1997 may, instead of or in addition to dealing with him in any other way, order him to be disqualified, for such period as it thinks fit, from holding or obtaining a driving licence. Streaky So basically, yes What a f**ked up country we live in.

Not at all, makes more sence than the usually community service orders, and tagging. Prison DON't work so lets try something new. Tattoeing POACHER across their forheads might work as well.

Hang them !! Sterilise them !! Ship them to Australia !!!

[Plotloss]

jacko lah said:

Ship them to Australia !!!

Seems fair.

They are shipping kiddy fiddlers to us after all...

[streaky]

gone said:

towman said: Human Rights Act blah blah blah. If someone burgles my house I would be overjoyed if they lost their job. As all burglars are saved from the treat of jail by the advice of the Lord Chancellor, they will not be under threat of losing anything at all!

gone - was that conscious or unconscious humour? Freud at work again, I suspect - Streaky

[catso]

Size Nine Elm said:

I don't necessarily think the law is correct, but... Fining someone the money they earn from a job. How is that related to, for example, hare coursing? Locking someone in prison for a couple of months. How is that related to, for example, hare coursing? Putting someone on 200 hours community service. How is that related to, for example, hare coursing?

But what's wrong with Hare Coursing anyway, surely their are more heinous crimes being committed against people than a few rodents?

But even if it is a serious crime how will banning them from driving prevent them from doing it again?

I suppose a custodial sentence would do so (well at least for a while).

I still say it's wrong.

[catso]

jacko lah said:

Ship them to Australia !!!

They'd probably welcome Hare coursers in Australia, seeing as they are overun with the vermin!

[Mr Whippy]

Um, wonder why people drive un-insured and without tax etc when this kinda crap happens.

Anyone who is EVER going to do just ONE thing dodgy just thinks it, won't bother doing anything with my car.

Whats the point of bothering with a driving lisence if you don't/can't pay insurance or afford an MOT worthy car etc.
The system being the way it is actually makes there more careless toss pots on the road.

All these people who have been banned will now just drive illegally, and to put it in the governments words "be more dangerous", because they now have no insurance or tax or MOT.

Stupid punishment because it makes the above happen. Instead of paying for a crime they have committed, they are now more likely to commit MORE crimes to remain in work etc.
So, they either become criminal and drive un-road worthy cars with no insurance, or they loose jobs etc, and cost the treasury their tax per month + expenses such as dole etc...

This government really are stupid w&nkers, do they have really slooooowww brains or are they wanting a "crime" epidemic? Note that in this case, they are being criminal to remain in work and contribute to society. But the law prefers them to not be part of society now and just sponge of it instead

Dave

[catso]

Mr Whippy said:

Lots of sensible stuff.........

[streaky]

catso said:

Size Nine Elm said: I don't necessarily think the law is correct, but... Fining someone the money they earn from a job. How is that related to, for example, hare coursing? Locking someone in prison for a couple of months. How is that related to, for example, hare coursing? Putting someone on 200 hours community service. How is that related to, for example, hare coursing? But what's wrong with Hare Coursing anyway, surely their are more heinous crimes being committed against people than a few rodents?

catso - sorry but you are out of date.

The Brown Hare
Kingdom : Animalia
Phylum : Chordata
Class : Mammalia
Order : Lagomorpha
Family : Leporidae
Genus : Lepus

In older classifications lagomorphs were placed in the order Rodentia. Both rodents and lagomorphs are gliriform mammals; that is, they have enlarged, ever-growing incisor teeth that function as effective tools for gnawing. Howver, it is now known that lagomorphs and rodents have long separate histories and that even their earliest representatives did not closely resemble one another.

Hope this helps - Streaky

[catso]

streaky said:

sorry but you are out of date. The Brown Hare Kingdom : Animalia Phylum : Chordata Class : Mammalia Order : Lagomorpha Family : Leporidae Genus : Lepus In older classifications lagomorphs were placed in the order Rodentia. Both rodents and lagomorphs are gliriform mammals; that is, they have enlarged, ever-growing incisor teeth that function as effective tools for gnawing. Howver, it is now known that lagomorphs and rodents have long separate histories and that even their earliest representatives did not closely resemble one another. Hope this helps - Streaky

Thanks mate, but they're all Rats to me

[towman]

Plotloss said:

towman said: Human Rights Act blah blah blah. If someone burgles my house I would be overjoyed if they lost their job. Whilst I appreciate the sentiment lets turn it around. Something happens to a member of your family that incenses you so much you dish out a bit of personal justice. Everyone has a limit and lets say that limit has been breached. Do you think its right that you should lose your job as a truck driver, something completely unrelated to the motive for dishing out a kicking? Its lunacy by any other name.

Just got in from work, so picking this up again......

Someone coming to burgle my property (in the sticks remember) will need a car to go and do it. Me dishing out justice would end up with a custodial sentance anyway - I am a generally law abiding, tax paying, home owning citizen. Therefore I am a target for this far king government.


Point I am trying to make - If you need a vehicle to commit a crime, whether it be Hare coursing, bilking, shoplifting(the serial type who go from city to city) or just plain `ol burglary, take the vehicle away. If they use the vehile they are then committing a motoring offence, and we know what this government thinks of that.

rant over

Steve

[winnebago nut]

I can see where your are coming from steve. But if they are off to commit an offence anyway, they proberly would steal a car to do the offence in anyway. Atb Derek.

[streaky]

winnebago nut said:

I can see where your are coming from steve. But if they are off to commit an offence anyway, they proberly would steal a car to do the offence in anyway. Atb Derek.

And a bad wouldn't concern them - Streaky