Tractor pushes parked cars out of the way

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TooMany2cvs said:

JimSuperSix said:

TooMany2cvs said:

JimSuperSix said:

TooMany2cvs said:

JimSuperSix said:

Lets not ignore the fact that you are a proven hypocrite, as per the fag-ends thread.

I have absolutely no idea what you're on about...

If you say so I guess you "missed" it...

I'm actually quite intrigued as to what the hell you're on about, and I'd appreciate a hint, but I suspect it'll just make you look a bit stalky.

From this thread:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

JimSuperSix said:

TooMany2cvs said:

.....and that they didn't want to play by the accepted rules of civilised society

And yet you're applauding a farmer who smashes up other peoples' cars...double standards much?

See your double-standards? Unless you thinking hitting parked cars because you can't get past is "playing by the accepted rules of civilised society" ?

...and that's it?

Ooookay.

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parabolica said:

Your logic is flawed. Someone being late to a meeting/work is in no way comparable to a working farm being blocked by selfish parkers.

It's exactly comparable as they are both being prevented from carrying out their job, and unless farmers have been promoted to the role of emergency services then they have no more right to "push through" (which is a slightly cowardly way of avoiding saying "damage") than anyone else. Annoying as it may be, if someone parks across the end of my drive it doesn't give me the right to smash their car out of the way, or even let the tyres down, as is pointed out so often on this forum in other threads.

To make your own comparison valid I would have to punch you in the face to get out of my front door, then it would be comparable to the farmer's actions. And I'd expect to be arrested for it.

I notice none of the pro-farmer lobby have addressed the point about the cars on one side of the road probably being innocent even of a minor parking offence and thus undeserving of the damage to their vehicles.

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 28th April 18:52

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singlecoil said:

JimSuperSix said:

I notice none of the pro-farmer lobby have addressed the point about the cars on one side of the road probably being innocent even of a minor parking offence and thus undeserving of the damage to their vehicles.

Did you know that nobody (possibly apart from HM) has an automatic right to park on (obstruct) the Queen's Highway? So it actually doesn't really matter from the POV of the farmer who parked there first.

You missed the point there completely didn't you, which was that with cars on just one side the highway was not obstructed at all.

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Willy Nilly said:

JimSuperSix said:

A whole load of assumptions there , and unfortunately a lot of trying to excuse the farmer for not being able to walk a distance that a load of probably old people managed. And sheep are not really perishable goods are they? What would have happened to them in the next half hour? Nothing, thats what. although maybe they'd get bored.

And once again you've ignored the fact that half the cars might well have been legally parked causing no obstruction.

How long do you think you can keep sheep on a livestock trailer without food, water or enough space to sit down for? How would you have gone about unloading them when the tail board end is not facing the direction of travel and the road is blocked with the same vehicles that are stopping the whole shooting match getting to where they needed to go? The people were walking 3 hours each way plus the service. How long do you think it's acceptable to wait for?

The half of the cars may well have been legally parked, but by them parking there they added to the issue. It wasn't an NCP car park where they all paid a fiver a day to park in marked bays, they were all, and I repeat, all parked on the side of the road, which is a narrow road which probably has farm traffic on it, what with it being a dead end road the leads to a farm.

They're still legally entitled to park there so long as they don't block the road, and half of them didn't.

As for the sheep - talk about clutching at straws to try to justify your point of view. They might have only been in there 10 minutes, and sheep get carted all over the country in trucks all the time, I'm guessing they don't suffer a high casualty rate from it or let them out every half hour for a run around a layby and a quick slash.

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JimSuperSix said:

They're still legally entitled to park there so long as they don't block the road, and half of them didn't.

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Legally entitled is pushing it a bit, the road is single carriage and the verge should clearly used to pass not park, even an ignoramus could see it, not matter who got there first. Anyway.

'Regulation 103 Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 - vehicles causing unnecessary obstruction of the road (including verge).

Section 137 Highways Act 1980 wilful obstruction of the free passage along a highway.'

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parabolica said:

If my friend and I came and stood in front your your front door (assuming you live in the middle of nowhere, much like this farm is) and refused to let you exit your house via the only opening big enough to let you out, and you called the police and they said they'd be there in a couple of hours, what would you do? Sit on your sofa staring at us, patiently waiting? Or attempt to push past?

Pretty much sums it up.

And it's not just a couple of hours, as others have pointed or, the car owners will have been away from the vehicles 'all day' or most of the day.

Imagine you tried to drive to work at 8am only to find a random car blocking your driveway. Would you simply sit there all day like a lemon unable to go anywhere?

No, of course you wouldn't. You would have put a chain round the tow loop and used another vehicle to drag it out of the way, preferably leaving it somewhere it would receive a ticket.

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Willy Nilly said:

Escort3500 said:

Plod station in Keswick. 7 Miles from the scene of the damage. I don’t regard that as a long way away.

Is it open every day? Do they come out and shift bady parked tourist cars who are probably an hour or three's walk away?

There isn't a police station in Keswick, and hasn't been for several years.

It's now a Wetherspoons.

Sign of the times.

The nearest police station would have been around an hour away, and that's if they had anyone to spare to send all the way out to a 'Badly parked car', which of course they wouldn't.

It's almost impossible to get them out to a burglary never mind a badly parked car.

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You can't argue with stupid.

[anonymous-user]

singlecoil said:

JimSuperSix said:

singlecoil said:

JimSuperSix said:

I notice none of the pro-farmer lobby have addressed the point about the cars on one side of the road probably being innocent even of a minor parking offence and thus undeserving of the damage to their vehicles.

Did you know that nobody (possibly apart from HM) has an automatic right to park on (obstruct) the Queen's Highway? So it actually doesn't really matter from the POV of the farmer who parked there first.

You missed the point there completely didn't you, which was that with cars on just one side the highway was not obstructed at all.

The point missing was all on your side (and you've done quite a lot of that on this thread). If you park on the Queen's Highway you obstruct the part that you have parked on. Whether or not there is room for a vehicle to pass you is not the point, you are still obstructing it.

So what's your point? They're legally parked and you can't just smash them aside. It's not that hard a concept to grasp.

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Escort3500 said:

Willy Nilly said:

Escort3500 said:

Plod station in Keswick. 7 Miles from the scene of the damage. I don’t regard that as a long way away.

Is it open every day? Do they come out and shift bady parked tourist cars who are probably an hour or three's walk away?

I don’t know about their parking control responsibilities, but that doesn’t justify Farmer Palmer taking the law into his own hands without contacting the police first. Though I can’t confirm it, I also understand from people who live in the area that he could have driven through surrounding fields rather than along the road. He probably saw red, committed to the manoeuvre then realised he couldn’t reverse out and carried on regardless.

Spot on, we all know that was the reason he smashed through the cars, bullst about sheep being perishable or other such stuff are just silly ways to try to justify his actions, and we all know why - because the british just can't help but be nasty to each other and want to punish others for any tiny mistake or injustice. The pro-farmer attitudes on this thread just prove it. Look at any UK dashcam, the whole country is infested with this sort of person.

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Hol said:

Oh, I am absolutely loving the quote that anyone speaking against ignorant people blocking the road is obviously the type of person who deliberately scratches cars and throws litter out of their car.

That's typical Jim.


The only flaw is that I know I don't drop litter and scratch cars and most people like me are batting for the farmer, not the clinically selfish.

You misunderstood as usual - I said applauding the farmer for his actions in sticking it to the entitled parkers is the same attitude that leads to keying cars etc...

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singlecoil said:

JimSuperSix said:

singlecoil said:

JimSuperSix said:

singlecoil said:

JimSuperSix said:

I notice none of the pro-farmer lobby have addressed the point about the cars on one side of the road probably being innocent even of a minor parking offence and thus undeserving of the damage to their vehicles.

Did you know that nobody (possibly apart from HM) has an automatic right to park on (obstruct) the Queen's Highway? So it actually doesn't really matter from the POV of the farmer who parked there first.

You missed the point there completely didn't you, which was that with cars on just one side the highway was not obstructed at all.

The point missing was all on your side (and you've done quite a lot of that on this thread). If you park on the Queen's Highway you obstruct the part that you have parked on. Whether or not there is room for a vehicle to pass you is not the point, you are still obstructing it.

So what's your point? They're legally parked and you can't just smash them aside. It's not that hard a concept to grasp.

The point is right there in the nested quotes, FFS!

"If you park on the Queen's Highway you obstruct the part that you have parked on. Whether or not there is room for a vehicle to pass you is not the point, you are still obstructing it."

There's no such thing as' legally parked' on the Queen's Highway. There are places where you can park without fear of prosecution but that's not the same as being absolved from causing an obstruction. And yes you can push them aside if necessary as this case proves.

Semantic waffle. You can legally park on roads where there no double yellows or other restrictions. As half of these people probably had. And the only people with the legal right to push them aside would be emergency services on a call or suchlike.

So answer this - do you think the cars that arrived first and parked neatly on one side leaving plenty of space deserved to have their cars damaged?

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ferrisbueller said:

ReverendCounter said:

Some of you lot are going around in more circles than those sheep have ever done.

Amazing isn't it?

And makes fk all difference.

So don't read it then?

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Hol said:

JimSuperSix said:

Hol said:

Oh, I am absolutely loving the quote that anyone speaking against ignorant people blocking the road is obviously the type of person who deliberately scratches cars and throws litter out of their car.

That's typical Jim.


The only flaw is that I know I don't drop litter and scratch cars and most people like me are batting for the farmer, not the clinically selfish.

You misunderstood as usual - I said applauding the farmer for his actions in sticking it to the entitled parkers is the same attitude that leads to keying cars etc...

But, once again I haven't misunderstood anything have i - as it clearly it isn't the same attitude IS IT?

The type of person who is most likely to litter and throw rubbish is the type who think parking rules (and other rules) don't apply to them.

Well you have sadly, as it's exactly that same attitude that is dragging this entire country down.
That fat tt on the other thread caught on video keying the OPs car is exactly the sort of person who would be jumping up and down in excitement encouraging the farmer to teach those selfish people a lesson. Whether they are in fact guilty or not doesn't matter, these people see something they don't like or agree with or can't have and take out their jealousy and anger on others, and enjoy it.

You can deny it if you want in your crusade to applaud farmer joe, but if you open your eyes you'll see that it's becoming rife in this country. As I said before, watch any UK dashcam video - the amount of anger and blaming others and creating conflict out of nothing just to "get one over" on someone else is staggering.

We should all be pushing to have the farmer prosecuted for illegally damaging cars, and the parkers prosecuted for obstruction if they indeed were (which I don't believe they ALL were, probably some). Instead we have people like you spouting things like "yeah good on him, tought them a lesson" which just makes it all worse for everyone in the long run.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 29th April 08:52

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psi310398 said:

Don't want to be a wet blanket but, apart from the update on the decision to take no further action, has anything new been written in the last forty pages?

I don't think so

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singlecoil said:

JimSuperSix said:

...You can legally park on roads where there no double yellows or other restrictions...

Only if you are not causing an obstruction!

And half of them were not.

And you still haven't answered my question :

"So answer this - do you think the cars that arrived first and parked neatly on one side leaving plenty of space deserved to have their cars damaged?"

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JimSuperSix said:

parabolica said:

Only a handful of cars damaged - the ones that were causing the blockage through selfish means.

As I said - cars on both sides of the road damaged - unless they all arrived at the same moment, half of them probably parked perfectly considerately yet still had their vehicles damaged. The fact is the tractor and trailer still managed to get between 2 rows of parked cars damaging doors and wing mirrors. Take away one row and the others are suddenly parked leaving masses of space. Did they deserve to get their cars smashed up too?

No they probably didn't but then they should take their concerns or insurance claims up with the owners of the other cars that subsequently parked opposite them and so narrowing the road. It's these people's fault, nothing to do with the farmer.

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Escort3500 said:

singlecoil said:

oakdale said:

JimSuperSix said:

And half of them were not.

And you still haven't answered my question :

"So answer this - do you think the cars that arrived first and parked neatly on one side leaving plenty of space deserved to have their cars damaged?"

It's unfortunate that their cars were damaged but it was the fault of the other parkers, not the farmer

An excellent point.

Not really. There was shared responsibility/blame. The poor parking and the farmer for barging through and causing the damage.

I would say all are to blame, the first cars may have parked inconsiderately, narrowing the lane somewhat, but the much bigger proportion of blame lies with the late arrivals who parked in such a retarded way that they chose to effectively block the lane, despite seeing that it had already been narrowed by the earlier arrivals.

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Hol said:

JimSuperSix said:

Well you have sadly,
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No I have not.

You have just made something up as you always do in some vain attempt to validate your own point of view.

Let me put it in clear terms for you, as you clearly are incapable of a logical argument.

Ordinary people don't litter.
Ordinary people don't damage cars.
Ordinary people don't park selfishly.

You Re not an ordinary person.

I'll assume you are deliberately missing the point now, as its been explained so many times, but resorting to insults is a bit childish.

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Andy20vt said:

Escort3500 said:

singlecoil said:

oakdale said:

JimSuperSix said:

And half of them were not.

And you still haven't answered my question :

"So answer this - do you think the cars that arrived first and parked neatly on one side leaving plenty of space deserved to have their cars damaged?"

It's unfortunate that their cars were damaged but it was the fault of the other parkers, not the farmer

An excellent point.

Not really. There was shared responsibility/blame. The poor parking and the farmer for barging through and causing the damage.

I would say all are to blame, the first cars may have parked inconsiderately, narrowing the lane somewhat, but the much bigger proportion of blame lies with the late arrivals who parked in such a retarded way that they chose to effectively block the lane, despite seeing that it had already been narrowed by the earlier arrivals.

Too bad certain posters here can't see this as it's so obvious.