Police enquiry at home
Discussion
Nibbles_bits said:
You're right, you won't.
If there are no emergency calls and nothing urgent to progress, what do you expect the Police to do, just sit about like Fire??
As others have said. If you're adamant you aren't responsible for what you're being accused of - contest it.
Maybe they could patrol around acting as a deterrent to the people that are out stealing cars, breaking into houses or raping/murdering girls! You know the stuff you don’t have time for that happens during the midnights hours.If there are no emergency calls and nothing urgent to progress, what do you expect the Police to do, just sit about like Fire??
As others have said. If you're adamant you aren't responsible for what you're being accused of - contest it.
Durzel said:
Where is this "flimsy evidence" assumption coming from?
Has it been confirmed that there is no dashcam footage? I'd assume there is if they're even trying to progress the case at all. They're not going to show their cards until the OP pleads not guilty.
If the OP can't remember the event it could either be that he routinely drives "enthusiastically" or that it's a mountain out of a molehill. Given the Scots seem to charge for dangerous driving at a lower threshold than England, it could be either.
If it were me I'd have a good think about whether I would want a court to see this video (i.e. consider the manner of my driving generally, how often I get negative reactions, etc) before deciding to go NG.
They confirmed there was no footage and asked if I had any! But yeah need to way up the pros and cons.Has it been confirmed that there is no dashcam footage? I'd assume there is if they're even trying to progress the case at all. They're not going to show their cards until the OP pleads not guilty.
If the OP can't remember the event it could either be that he routinely drives "enthusiastically" or that it's a mountain out of a molehill. Given the Scots seem to charge for dangerous driving at a lower threshold than England, it could be either.
If it were me I'd have a good think about whether I would want a court to see this video (i.e. consider the manner of my driving generally, how often I get negative reactions, etc) before deciding to go NG.
the mac said:
Nibbles_bits said:
You're right, you won't.
If there are no emergency calls and nothing urgent to progress, what do you expect the Police to do, just sit about like Fire??
As others have said. If you're adamant you aren't responsible for what you're being accused of - contest it.
Maybe they could patrol around acting as a deterrent to the people that are out stealing cars, breaking into houses or raping/murdering girls! You know the stuff you don’t have time for that happens during the midnights hours.If there are no emergency calls and nothing urgent to progress, what do you expect the Police to do, just sit about like Fire??
As others have said. If you're adamant you aren't responsible for what you're being accused of - contest it.
Not sure people would be happy paying their council tax and not seeing any results.
Do these things only happen during the midnight hours?
By that logic, the Police should ignore crimes during the day, because they should be dealing with non-urgent enquiries.
Edited by Nibbles_bits on Wednesday 29th June 14:07
eldar said:
Watchthis said:
Yeah you should contest it. It will get flung out by the procurator fiscal. I'd bet good money on it
There was another thread where someone was convinced of their innocence. They do now have a criminal record. The OP needs to make a rational and non emotional decision.No matter which way the OP decides to go he won't get a criminal record.
[quote=Nibbles_bits]
The kind of stuff that can't be measured by performance.
Not sure people would be happy paying their council tax and not seeing any results.
Do these things only happen during the midnight hours?
By that logic, the Police should ignore crimes during the day, because they should be dealing with non-urgent enquiries.
Obviously I’m not Taggert or Rebus or the English equivalent
But I would presume the majority of serious crime takes place at night does it not? Women walking home example, I’m not saying no one gets murdered during the day but I’m sure there are some stats out there that show when is the most dangerous time for a woman to walk home!
The kind of stuff that can't be measured by performance.
Not sure people would be happy paying their council tax and not seeing any results.
Do these things only happen during the midnight hours?
By that logic, the Police should ignore crimes during the day, because they should be dealing with non-urgent enquiries.
Edited by Nibbles_bits on Wednesday 29th June 14:07
[/quoteObviously I’m not Taggert or Rebus or the English equivalent
But I would presume the majority of serious crime takes place at night does it not? Women walking home example, I’m not saying no one gets murdered during the day but I’m sure there are some stats out there that show when is the most dangerous time for a woman to walk home!
the mac]ibbles_bits said:
The kind of stuff that can't be measured by performance.
Not sure people would be happy paying their council tax and not seeing any results.
Do these things only happen during the midnight hours?
By that logic, the Police should ignore crimes during the day, because they should be dealing with non-urgent enquiries.
Obviously I’m not Taggert or Rebus or the English equivalent
But I would presume the majority of serious crime takes place at night does it not? Women walking home example, I’m not saying no one gets murdered during the day but I’m sure there are some stats out there that show when is the most dangerous time for a woman to walk home!
Not sure people would be happy paying their council tax and not seeing any results.
Do these things only happen during the midnight hours?
By that logic, the Police should ignore crimes during the day, because they should be dealing with non-urgent enquiries.
Edited by Nibbles_bits on Wednesday 29th June 14:07
[/quoteObviously I’m not Taggert or Rebus or the English equivalent
But I would presume the majority of serious crime takes place at night does it not? Women walking home example, I’m not saying no one gets murdered during the day but I’m sure there are some stats out there that show when is the most dangerous time for a woman to walk home!
The Count said:
Wow. All very odd. A midnight call, several weeks after the event?
You also 'overtook another car at speed and caused them to brake hard'. How does that work then?
No dashcam, two non independent witnesses; i would contest it.
May i ask, do you think you may have inadvertently upset someone with links to the police?
My thoughts entirely.You also 'overtook another car at speed and caused them to brake hard'. How does that work then?
No dashcam, two non independent witnesses; i would contest it.
May i ask, do you think you may have inadvertently upset someone with links to the police?
My (ex-copper, sacked in disgrace, barred from policing for life) neighbour who is a humungous tool tried this stunt on me, getting some of his mates still in the job to try to lean on me due to a neighbourhood dispute. Only I discovered the Sgt who had despatched officers to my address was FaceyB pals with said neighbour, my wife saw this neighbour getting out of a car with the fficer involved the day before we got a knock, so I joined the dots and made a formal complaint.
I received a profuse written apology and the officer involved was given 'words of advice' as to who they keep company with in future.
No dashcam and two non-independent witnesses? Absolute crock of s
t. Go and represent yourself politely in court and have this bullst thrown out. Unless of course you have flown up the outside, cut in sharp, stamped the anchors on and forced them to do the same?. In which case be honest, take the hit, move on.
Most women are murdered by someone they know, generally not at night walking home alone.
Have there been any random murders in you're area because unless the body counts rising it sounds like the cops there are doing an alright job of stopping murders taking place. You never know, your late night police visit may have thwarted a would be ne'er-do-well doing anything that night when you were at work.....imagine.
Have there been any random murders in you're area because unless the body counts rising it sounds like the cops there are doing an alright job of stopping murders taking place. You never know, your late night police visit may have thwarted a would be ne'er-do-well doing anything that night when you were at work.....imagine.
Personally; I would refuse the fixed penalty notice and go to Court.
To rely on the views of two random people (who are known to each other) on the of standard of your driving is ridiculous and I’m surprised the rozzers have taken this action on that alone.
If the rozzers even bother to pursue, I would represent myself at the Magistrates, point out that they aren’t independent witnesses, question what makes them experts on driving, highlight your x years of incident free driving, no endorsements and denying anything happened.
To rely on the views of two random people (who are known to each other) on the of standard of your driving is ridiculous and I’m surprised the rozzers have taken this action on that alone.
If the rozzers even bother to pursue, I would represent myself at the Magistrates, point out that they aren’t independent witnesses, question what makes them experts on driving, highlight your x years of incident free driving, no endorsements and denying anything happened.
Greendubber said:
Most women are murdered by someone they know, generally not at night walking home alone.
Have there been any random murders in you're area because unless the body counts rising it sounds like the cops there are doing an alright job of stopping murders taking place. You never know, your late night police visit may have thwarted a would be ne'er-do-well doing anything that night when you were at work.....imagine.
Haha perhaps, to be fair I’m not sure how many murders the Police actually prevent, usually more often than not after an event they will have a police presence in said area to reassure the public!Have there been any random murders in you're area because unless the body counts rising it sounds like the cops there are doing an alright job of stopping murders taking place. You never know, your late night police visit may have thwarted a would be ne'er-do-well doing anything that night when you were at work.....imagine.
Anyway we are going a bit off topic
I echo the thoughts of others, this is nuts. Contest it. Also consider that the witnesses may enjoy playing the victim to an officer, acting butt hurt at being overtaken by the 'nasty man', but may not be so brave to repeat the absurd claim in front of you.
Edited by Fermit on Wednesday 29th June 15:36
the mac said:
Durzel said:
Where is this "flimsy evidence" assumption coming from?
Has it been confirmed that there is no dashcam footage? I'd assume there is if they're even trying to progress the case at all. They're not going to show their cards until the OP pleads not guilty.
If the OP can't remember the event it could either be that he routinely drives "enthusiastically" or that it's a mountain out of a molehill. Given the Scots seem to charge for dangerous driving at a lower threshold than England, it could be either.
If it were me I'd have a good think about whether I would want a court to see this video (i.e. consider the manner of my driving generally, how often I get negative reactions, etc) before deciding to go NG.
They confirmed there was no footage and asked if I had any! But yeah need to way up the pros and cons.Has it been confirmed that there is no dashcam footage? I'd assume there is if they're even trying to progress the case at all. They're not going to show their cards until the OP pleads not guilty.
If the OP can't remember the event it could either be that he routinely drives "enthusiastically" or that it's a mountain out of a molehill. Given the Scots seem to charge for dangerous driving at a lower threshold than England, it could be either.
If it were me I'd have a good think about whether I would want a court to see this video (i.e. consider the manner of my driving generally, how often I get negative reactions, etc) before deciding to go NG.
the mac said:
They confirmed there was no footage and asked if I had any! But yeah need to way up the pros and cons.
Have they given you a time and location? Is it consistent with where you'd likely be?
As well as the fine, you'd have to consider the insurance implications, can you put numbers to that?
You have to ask why these witnesses would go to these lengths if nothing happened.
Can you think of any reason?
It looks like these witnesses are seen as credible by the police.
So what happened?
A) It was someone else?
B) A bit of conflicting driving happened and their view of it is that you were seriously in the wrong, your view of it is that whatever happened was so 'everyday' that you've forgotten it.
C) it's complete fiction and the police are either gullible or complicit. Non contact crash for cash?
It's bizarre.
It could be something like:
You overtook someone.
Somebody else did something causing you to brake
Complainant has to brake because you did, but never saw the cause of you braking?
I think if it was me, I'd consider just paying if it's only £100 and say £50 on my insurance for a couple of years.
It's wrong but I have little faith in the fairness of the legal process, and you just weigh it off against any speed limits you may broken or little errors of judgement. The odds don't relfect the gamble. Unless it's really going to cost lots more to have it on your record. E.g. if it might have job implications.
As a very basic first step I'd be looking back through my calendar / diary / work schedule to pinpoint exactly where I was at the exact time of the alleged offence. Any alibis? Work records proving where you were? Because it's so long ago, it's very unlikely that any businesses or houses at the site of the alleged offence still retain any CCTV footage.
Something just doesn't smell right about this. I'd be fighting it too, rather than just rolling over and paying the £100.
Something just doesn't smell right about this. I'd be fighting it too, rather than just rolling over and paying the £100.
Edited by FatboyKim on Wednesday 29th June 15:23
PurpleTurtle said:
The Count said:
Wow. All very odd. A midnight call, several weeks after the event?
You also 'overtook another car at speed and caused them to brake hard'. How does that work then?
No dashcam, two non independent witnesses; i would contest it.
May i ask, do you think you may have inadvertently upset someone with links to the police?
My thoughts entirely.You also 'overtook another car at speed and caused them to brake hard'. How does that work then?
No dashcam, two non independent witnesses; i would contest it.
May i ask, do you think you may have inadvertently upset someone with links to the police?
My (ex-copper, sacked in disgrace, barred from policing for life) neighbour who is a humungous tool tried this stunt on me, getting some of his mates still in the job to try to lean on me due to a neighbourhood dispute. Only I discovered the Sgt who had despatched officers to my address was FaceyB pals with said neighbour, my wife saw this neighbour getting out of a car with the fficer involved the day before we got a knock, so I joined the dots and made a formal complaint.
I received a profuse written apology and the officer involved was given 'words of advice' as to who they keep company with in future.
No dashcam and two non-independent witnesses? Absolute crock of s
t. Go and represent yourself politely in court and have this bullst thrown out. Unless of course you have flown up the outside, cut in sharp, stamped the anchors on and forced them to do the same?. In which case be honest, take the hit, move on.
What if the last line is read as 'moved up the outside making safe progress, pulled safely in, then caused to brake a little sharply by a third vehicle/cyclist/dog/pedestrian resulting in the half asleep driver of the car you've overtaken getting woken up so they have to brake medium- hard'.
Could be two views of the exact same event.
And the OP is at a disadvantage not remembering his reasonably un-memorable version.
Even if it is bulls
t, how much faith do you have that it will be thrown out?It's already well over the first hurdle.
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