Now you can't speed.....
Discussion
mybrainhurts said:
What happens as you lean the bike over and the satellite applies the brakes and cuts the throttle....?
The Good Prof Carsten at Leeds University is trialling a number of such cars. Launched some time ago, but still no story. Have they all been written off?
Last I heard, early summer, trials continuing - called Intelligent Speed Adaptation
The Intelligence is of course all in the equipment - the bloody idiots whe dreamed this up have none at all
Idris
Streetcop said:
Streetcop said:
Less likely to kill em though......
Whole idea is to avoid em altogether Street, not make it less likely to hurt em.
Absolutely, and the slower you are travelling, especially on a residential street, the better your chances of doing just that...
Street
Think you're taxing yourself needlessly about this, Street....I'd hazard a guess nobody here disputes the need for restraint in residential areas.....
i read somewhere a few years back this system being developed for boats in venice to limit the speeds and save the banks from eroding didnt think it would take the lost the plot crew long to jump on the band wagon.on the up side i cant think the powers to be being over eager think of the fines they will lose
a country wide speed-net could be a good thing, if it was left to the driver to judge for him or herself the speed of the car, however controlling the car's functionality is something so left of centre it's off the map...
I wouldn't mind a little colour screen or whatever on the dash that has the speed limit of the road you are on, displayed on it - that way it would make you more conscious of limit changes etc - of course, it's still going to give you 30mph in a now-limited ex-nsl road etc, which is foolish at the best of times however it would kerb "sorry guv, I didn't know the speed limit" excuses.
once big brother starts taking over the controls of the car, then imo the powers that be have overstepped the mark, reminding is one thing, but dictating is quite another...
I wouldn't mind a little colour screen or whatever on the dash that has the speed limit of the road you are on, displayed on it - that way it would make you more conscious of limit changes etc - of course, it's still going to give you 30mph in a now-limited ex-nsl road etc, which is foolish at the best of times however it would kerb "sorry guv, I didn't know the speed limit" excuses.
once big brother starts taking over the controls of the car, then imo the powers that be have overstepped the mark, reminding is one thing, but dictating is quite another...
Well maybe we're getting overly agitated about the possibility of such a scheme being applied across the whole road network. I simply don't know how likely it is that such a system would ever be introduced, but I can tell you I don't want it at any price. I do not believe it would give any benefit in road safety, and it may well introduce problems we don't already have.
What I do think would be helpful is a system of driver aids based on the cruise control principle. For example, I would like a facility where one could select a speed setting to match the speed limit for the area in which you are driving. If you exceed that speed you get an audible signal to remind you, but it does not control the speed. You could have a set of buttons to match speeds of 20, 30, 40 mph etc. and just press the appropriate button as you enter the speed limit area.
As I say, let's have driver aids by all means, but I want nothing to do with any system that over-rules my control of the car.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
What I do think would be helpful is a system of driver aids based on the cruise control principle. For example, I would like a facility where one could select a speed setting to match the speed limit for the area in which you are driving. If you exceed that speed you get an audible signal to remind you, but it does not control the speed. You could have a set of buttons to match speeds of 20, 30, 40 mph etc. and just press the appropriate button as you enter the speed limit area.
As I say, let's have driver aids by all means, but I want nothing to do with any system that over-rules my control of the car.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
g_attrill said:
Relax, this kind of thing will not be technically feasible until the EU Gallileo project is launched, and they haven't started building the satellites yet.
Gareth
There are two existing "GPS" systems - we have no need to spend billions of tax payers money on a third.
The system is technically feasible now
mybrainhurts said:
What happens as you lean the bike over and the satellite applies the brakes and cuts the throttle....?
I think the trial system only limits max speed not speed for the corner. However, Europe suggest this could be a future development. Of course your speed would be cut prior to the corner
jeremyadamson said:
Guys - you're all worrying yourselves about nothing. They will never fit speed limiters to cars, because all the camera revenue would instantly stop.
J.
to be replaced by a far greater income from providing digital map data from OS. Not to mention VAT from installs, maintenance, GPRS update services.
groucho said:
They won't stop at London, they will try to implement it all over the UK 
They won't be happy until we are all automatons.
Grouch.
Its not the UK. Europe have stated targets for the whole of the EU, from memory it is 50% by 2020.
Mind you a similar scheme for lorries in germany has been canned i seem to recall
bluepolarbear said:
What happens as you lean the bike over and the satellite applies the brakes and cuts the throttle....?
I think the trial system only limits max speed not speed for the corner. However, Europe suggest this could be a future development. Of course your speed would be cut prior to the corner
.....just as you meet the sheet of ice.........
Streetcop said:
The Mayor and Transport for London will now consider the proposals in detail. Ministers are also looking for experts to compile a powerful digital "map" containing details of every speed limit in Britain.
Ok, I'll be the expert that compiles it. I'll do it for a expenses plus a half-penny and a ride in a Cerbera. Done.
The Wiz said:Why would I want to visit london? Sorry, I'll get mi' coat then eh?
Of course you'll be forced to have one fitted and you'll have to pay for it and all cars that cannot be fitted with them will be banned from the road. And of course it'll be all cars in the country because you may want to visit London.
Moving to the US is looking more and more appealing ...
Maybe this is just worrying about the unrealistic.
First of all, it would have to be for new-vehicles only. Then maybe as a retro fit covering vehicles with compatible ECU's and GPS installation capability to manufacturers type-approval certification.
So, say, 12 years to cover development of the equipment and mapping software, for the introduction on new-fit, then a further 5 years for recent-vehicle retro-fit.
Older and classic cars are never going to be able to have the speed limiters fitted - I'd like to see how they could fit this to my 1964 Cooper 'S' - as without an up-to-date ECU the limiters would not ever be compatible.
Then again, how long would it be before someone worked out how to generate a spoof GPS signal to confuse the limiter unit into thinking the vehicle was not on a public road and, therefore, no limit applied. Or even a piece of software to remove the limiter's effectiveness completely.
Yes, in theory the technology exists, but the practicalities are something very different.
First of all, it would have to be for new-vehicles only. Then maybe as a retro fit covering vehicles with compatible ECU's and GPS installation capability to manufacturers type-approval certification.
So, say, 12 years to cover development of the equipment and mapping software, for the introduction on new-fit, then a further 5 years for recent-vehicle retro-fit.
Older and classic cars are never going to be able to have the speed limiters fitted - I'd like to see how they could fit this to my 1964 Cooper 'S' - as without an up-to-date ECU the limiters would not ever be compatible.
Then again, how long would it be before someone worked out how to generate a spoof GPS signal to confuse the limiter unit into thinking the vehicle was not on a public road and, therefore, no limit applied. Or even a piece of software to remove the limiter's effectiveness completely.
Yes, in theory the technology exists, but the practicalities are something very different.
Imagine the future.
Toll-roads and highways based on an electronic pay-as-you-use.
The longer you spend on the toll-road the more you are billed.
An auto-speed restictor that limits your speed to that given for the road.
Combine them and you get a big control room with a revenue counter on the wall.
The M6 toll-road operator sees he is not going to make his daily revenue target so logs on to Speed-limit-control for his stretch of highway.
He drops the speed limit which automatically drops the speed of all those cars trundling along.
They stay longer on ho stretch of highway and hence get billed more.
The operator reaches his revenue target for the day.
Toll-roads and highways based on an electronic pay-as-you-use.
The longer you spend on the toll-road the more you are billed.
An auto-speed restictor that limits your speed to that given for the road.
Combine them and you get a big control room with a revenue counter on the wall.
The M6 toll-road operator sees he is not going to make his daily revenue target so logs on to Speed-limit-control for his stretch of highway.
He drops the speed limit which automatically drops the speed of all those cars trundling along.
They stay longer on ho stretch of highway and hence get billed more.
The operator reaches his revenue target for the day.
Any student of ergonomics will tell you that if you remove involvement response times to unexpected events take longer.
They're seeing this in air traffic control and train signalling. When a controller has to proactively configure a route for a train through a particular area, setting points and signals, and then monitor that train as it passes through, he reacts to a danger event far quicker than the controllers on the newer automated signalling systems where all that is needed is to set the start and destination, press a button to auto-configure a route, and go make a brew.
They're seeing this in air traffic control and train signalling. When a controller has to proactively configure a route for a train through a particular area, setting points and signals, and then monitor that train as it passes through, he reacts to a danger event far quicker than the controllers on the newer automated signalling systems where all that is needed is to set the start and destination, press a button to auto-configure a route, and go make a brew.
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