AXE ATTACK on Speed Camera Operator and van!
Discussion
I'm not too surprised, in fact, I'm surprised something like this hasn't come up sooner.
Let's face it, there are plenty of angry people out there that will attack and kill simply for overtaking them etc.. if one of them has 9 points and thinks he's just lost his license due to talivan..........
Let's face it, there are plenty of angry people out there that will attack and kill simply for overtaking them etc.. if one of them has 9 points and thinks he's just lost his license due to talivan..........
10 Pence Short said:
Except when he's quoted in some of the news items, obviously...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=542512&hw=+%2BCaptain+%2BGatso
We quote Ken Livingstone too, are you suggesting we're linked with him?!http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=542512&hw=+%2BCaptain+%2BGatso
TonyHetherington said:
10 Pence Short said:
Except when he's quoted in some of the news items, obviously...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=542512&hw=+%2BCaptain+%2BGatso
We quote Ken Livingstone too, are you accusing us we're linked with him?!http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=542512&hw=+%2BCaptain+%2BGatso
10 Pence Short said:
TonyHetherington said:
10 Pence Short said:
Except when he's quoted in some of the news items, obviously...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=542512&hw=+%2BCaptain+%2BGatso
We quote Ken Livingstone too, are you accusing us we're linked with him?!http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=542512&hw=+%2BCaptain+%2BGatso
Even then the editor has the final say as to whether to include it in the article or not.
The story was a PH born story (initiated by the Time I think it was), we simply went to CG for a quote to finish the article off, as was a Conservative Councillor. Unlike some of the work that was done with Paul Smith, we do not use CG to feed stories - and this thread is certainly not PH endorsed.
It remains the case that there is no link between PH and CG as there is anymore than between yourself and PH for example (i.e. the relationship you have of being able to post, air your views, and use the services).
edit; Oh, and with respect to using forum members; a surprising number of members are used for news articles, but in this case it was the editors decision at the time that, in such a story, a quote from the publically known CG was appropriate in this case. At no point was PH endorsing CG - it was simply runnign the story, much like PH was not endorsing what the councillor was saying - it was simply running the story.
It remains the case that there is no link between PH and CG as there is anymore than between yourself and PH for example (i.e. the relationship you have of being able to post, air your views, and use the services).
edit; Oh, and with respect to using forum members; a surprising number of members are used for news articles, but in this case it was the editors decision at the time that, in such a story, a quote from the publically known CG was appropriate in this case. At no point was PH endorsing CG - it was simply runnign the story, much like PH was not endorsing what the councillor was saying - it was simply running the story.
Edited by TonyHetherington on Friday 20th June 13:58
TonyHetherington said:
The story was a PH born story (initiated by the Time I think it was), we simply went to CG for a quote to finish the article off, as was a Conservative Councillor. Unlike some of the work that was done with Paul Smith, we do not use CG to feed stories - and this thread is certainly not PH endorsed.
It remains the case that there is no link between PH and CG as there is anymore than between yourself and PH for example (i.e. the relationship you have of being able to post, air your views, and use the services).
I look forward to being asked for a quote next time there's a news story, then.It remains the case that there is no link between PH and CG as there is anymore than between yourself and PH for example (i.e. the relationship you have of being able to post, air your views, and use the services).
With no cars listed in your profile, and a quick scan of current topics showing nothing specific about cars; honestly, what do you think that we (a motoring magazine) would contact you for a quote for?
It's not a dig of your use of the site, but a genuine question asking why on earth it would be you picked to attribute a quote to a motoring magazine over owners clubs, club presidents, car owners and committee members etc?
It's not a dig of your use of the site, but a genuine question asking why on earth it would be you picked to attribute a quote to a motoring magazine over owners clubs, club presidents, car owners and committee members etc?
TonyHetherington said:
With no cars listed in your profile, and a quick scan of current topics showing nothing specific about cars; honestly, what do you think that we (a motoring magazine) would contact you for a quote for?
It's not a dig of your use of the site, but a genuine question asking why on earth it would be you picked to attribute a quote to a motoring magazine over owners clubs, club presidents, car owners and committee members etc?
It was sarcasm Tony, chill out. It's not a dig of your use of the site, but a genuine question asking why on earth it would be you picked to attribute a quote to a motoring magazine over owners clubs, club presidents, car owners and committee members etc?
Now I'm just nipping out to RPG some PCSOs.
TonyHetherington said:
You call yourself the motorist's friend but all I ever seem to read of you, or about you, is nothing constructive what-so-ever.
You seem almost joyful at the attack on a (to quote you) "SCUM"era operator.
That is far from the motorist's friend. If anything, you are the genuine motorist's enemy as you are doing no good for the genuine argument against speeding policies with such statements.
The late Paul Smith was a good example of somebody who had the right, legal, ethically correct approach.
Yes I think mr gatso does nothing other then to provide nice little sound bites for those that want to paint the motorist as man of evilYou seem almost joyful at the attack on a (to quote you) "SCUM"era operator.
That is far from the motorist's friend. If anything, you are the genuine motorist's enemy as you are doing no good for the genuine argument against speeding policies with such statements.
The late Paul Smith was a good example of somebody who had the right, legal, ethically correct approach.
So until you have something sensible to say please keep it zipped
Mr Trophy said:
MillWheel said:
TonyHetherington said:
Absolutely; and even with his paper-based-legal-approach he was shot down and ignored, pushed to the back etc. But, surely, the answer is not violence?
Of course the answer is not violence.However, Captain Gatso is not advocating violence, he is WARNING of it occuring if the public at large continue to be teated the way they are by the government!
Sean
thinfourth2 said:
yes I think mr gatso does nothing other then to provide nice little sound bites for those that want to paint the motorist as man of evil
So until you have something sensible to say please keep it zipped
why should he? because you disagree? This guy stands alone, he admits it and Tony has reinforced the distance between PH and his antics. I didn't agree with Paul when he condoned stealing the identity of the deceased to avoid speeding tickets but I didn't suggest he should be gagged, a sense of perspective Thinners please?So until you have something sensible to say please keep it zipped
Edited by Apache on Friday 20th June 14:46
10 Pence Short said:
I agree with speed limits in urban areas and see no problem with whatever measures are used to enforce them,
Thats only a valid argument if speed is the major producer of accidents in the urban scenario though.If its not ( and it isnt) then i dont see the justification.
10 Pence Short said:
as long as they don't create accidents.
Which they do, have and will contnue to.Quite frankly, id rather be looking out for lemmings on the pavement than boxes flashing their merry way to a million pounds profit. Wouldnt you?
10 Pence Short said:
As for your Nazi comments- it's the usual poppycock sprouted by people who have no better argument than to revert to the ridiculous.
Yerrrrs im sure you believe yourself implicitly.You call it "poppycock" to make a comparison, ill see your poppycock and raise you a "cobblers", its different degrees of the same idea, ie; Persecute a certain group because the state says so.
Feel free to substitute the group known as drivers for any other of your choice then tell me why its right to do so.
Edited by Deltaf01 on Friday 20th June 15:11
Deltaf01 said:
10 Pence Short said:
I agree with speed limits in urban areas and see no problem with whatever measures are used to enforce them,
Thats only a valid argument if speed is the major producer of accidents in the urban scenario though.If its not ( and it isnt) then i dont see the justification.
10 Pence Short said:
as long as they don't create accidents.
Which they do, have and will contnue to.Quite frankly, id rather be looking out for lemmings on the pavement than boxes flashing their merry way to a million pounds profit. Wouldnt you?
10 Pence Short said:
As for your Nazi comments- it's the usual poppycock sprouted by people who have no better argument than to revert to the ridiculous.
Yerrrrs im sure you believe yourself implicitly.You call it "poppycock" to make a comparison, ill see your poppycock and raise you a "cobblers", its different degrees of the same idea, ie; Persecute a certain group because the state says so.
Feel free to substitute the group known as drivers for any other of your choice then tell me why its right to do so.
Edited by Deltaf01 on Friday 20th June 15:11
A speed camera in a busy urban area might not stop a child running out into the road, but it might make the driver travel slowly enough that they can either avoid a collision or if they do collide, they cause lessor injuries.
As for your comments about preferring to look out for lemmings thn speed cameras, the answer is simple- if you're travelling under or at the speed limit in an urban area you won't need to look for speed cameras, will you? That way you can pay full attention to your surroundings.
I have said before that the idea of speed cameras away from urban areas is not one I support. What I still don't understand is the po faced attitude of some people that a blanket dislike of them altogether is any better than a blanket acceptance of them everywhere?
Concerning your Nazi comments- you're welcome to them, but don't expect a large percentage of decent, hard thinking people to accept that speed enforcement here and now is in any way comparable to the extermination of an entire race of people. Personally I thinks it's a crass thing to say.
odyssey2200 said:
MillWheel said:
[There will come a point when even reasonable men and women will say STOP! Enough is enough, and it will be just like the poll tax riots all over again!
Any "face" of government, real or perceived will become a target... some with good reason, and some undeserving.
At 27 years old, you are not going to remember the previous riots we have experienced, or the conditions under which they came about.
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IIRC the type of people who were rioting in thepolltax riots would fall into one of the following categories today.Any "face" of government, real or perceived will become a target... some with good reason, and some undeserving.
At 27 years old, you are not going to remember the previous riots we have experienced, or the conditions under which they came about.
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1: EcoMentallist, liberal, do-gooder, who now supports green tax and anti speed propaganda.
2: Good fornothing Chav from a sink estate milking the system.
The target of todays oppression is the normal, reasonable guy who it will take a lot to get him to brake the law and protest.
All this is supported by those who are quick to take action as they are either in full support or are not paying taxes anyway.
The Government realise this, hence the raft of legislation they brought in to prevent it happening again.
Now do you think that will put off the man in the street who has lost his job or business?
Also there is much more communication available than last time via the internet and mobile phone coverage!
Interesting to note that David Milliband is calling for pay restraint to keep inflation down, while Network Rail pay millions out in bonuses to those who over saw a spectatcular rail crash, and widespread disruption on the rail network when repairs over ran the designated period by several days - and are STILL not finished!!
Train commuters will only take so much.
This week a man was killed in a supermarket queue! Dont you think that this is an omen? Those of you with your heads in the sand present a big target which is vulnerable to a hefty size 11 boot!!!
I would not condemn those who took action against this gov't.
I am supprised it hasn't already happened TBH.
I just think that through a policy of oppression, law making and getting those groups historically most likely to protest on side, the Gov't has targeted the down trodden guy, broke his morale and then walked all over him.
Look at the last protest that was publicised.
The Eco Mentalists who stopped the train on its way to a power ststion.
The lack of response from the Gov't and police was marked.
If that had been a protest outside a fuel depot things would have been different I suspect.
In a perverse way this protest suited the Gov't.
It will not be used to prove the publics dislike for coal power stations and to push forward with more nuclear power stations.
This country is no longer a democracy.
Eventually I fear that people snapping when faced with the blind buerocracy and criminalisation there may be more attacks on the symbols of the system such at Talivans, cameras, etc.
I am supprised it hasn't already happened TBH.
I just think that through a policy of oppression, law making and getting those groups historically most likely to protest on side, the Gov't has targeted the down trodden guy, broke his morale and then walked all over him.
Look at the last protest that was publicised.
The Eco Mentalists who stopped the train on its way to a power ststion.
The lack of response from the Gov't and police was marked.
If that had been a protest outside a fuel depot things would have been different I suspect.
In a perverse way this protest suited the Gov't.
It will not be used to prove the publics dislike for coal power stations and to push forward with more nuclear power stations.
This country is no longer a democracy.
Eventually I fear that people snapping when faced with the blind buerocracy and criminalisation there may be more attacks on the symbols of the system such at Talivans, cameras, etc.
10 Pence Short said:
In urban areas where there are lots of pedestrians, the speed you're travelling at has a direct relation to injury or death in the event of a collision with one.
If all did that thered be a whole lot less collisions.
iirc, some 90% ish of collisions were deemed to be "pedestrian stepping out".
I dont care how slowly youre going, do that in front a vehicle with a large mass ( truck) and youre still as dead.
Speed plays its part, but less than the stupidity of pedestrians arrogantly stomping into the traffic stream.
No amount of speed enforcement will cure that, and neither will a camera.
Concentrate on MAJOR problems before tackling MINOR ones because they have the largest impact on the end result.
You dont worry about getting your feet wet when youre up to your ass in crocodiles, do you?
10 Pence Short said:
So irrespective of the law or how it's enforced, it's common sense to travel slowly- at least within the posted limits.
More blindness. Youre associating a numerical value ( or a range of them) as some kind of indicator of safe driving behaviour. Slowly=safer. Complete BS. Prove that going slowly ramps up safety!
10 Pence Short said:
That's where the jusitifcation is in the enforcement.
See answer above.The justifications made on a hypothesis. Its faith based. Looks safe so IS safe.
10 Pence Short said:
A speed camera in a busy urban area might not stop a child running out into the road,
So what use is it?10 Pence Short said:
but it might make the driver travel slowly enough that they can either avoid a collision or if they do collide, they cause lessor injuries.
Might? Might? Do you believe in the tooth fairy and santa claus as well?10 Pence Short said:
As for your comments about preferring to look out for lemmings thn speed cameras, the answer is simple- if you're travelling under or at the speed limit in an urban area you won't need to look for speed cameras, will you? That way you can pay full attention to your surroundings.
If only that were so. You fail to consider both distraction effects; cameras are well known to cause odd behaviours even for drivers within the limits, and also the obstruction effect. Id rather not have to be scanning around an object that could conceal a lemming.
10 Pence Short said:
I have said before that the idea of speed cameras away from urban areas is not one I support.
Fine, we have concensus.10 Pence Short said:
What I still don't understand is the po faced attitude of some people that a blanket dislike of them altogether is any better than a blanket acceptance of them everywhere?
Reasons aplenty given above.10 Pence Short said:
Concerning your Nazi comments- you're welcome to them, but don't expect a large percentage of decent, hard thinking people to accept that speed enforcement here and now is in any way comparable to the extermination of an entire race of people. Personally I thinks it's a crass thing to say.
Ouchy, attack on my intellect.On the contrary, its entirely comparable as theyre both based on the same principles.
Blame a group for problem "A" and treat them accordingly like criminals.
Its a sad indictment of so called british justice that a murderer has the right to silence but a speeder does not, despite one having actually taken a life.
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