David Edgar Forcibly Arrested!
Discussion
mungo said:
...The police would not have acted unlawfully...
Because the police don't break the law.
...or rather, they don't usually get caught.
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4561131.stm[/url]
>> Edited by timsta on Wednesday 25th May 09:44
I don't know what's going on here but one thing's for sure and that is people here have a high propensity to believe the police are little better than a bunch of hired thugs.
Now while I don't have a great opinion of the legal system in the UK or our lads abilities, I don't think this is true, but if a bunch of relatively well off sports car enthusiasts think that of our BiB what say a bunch of 'hoodies'?
Now while I don't have a great opinion of the legal system in the UK or our lads abilities, I don't think this is true, but if a bunch of relatively well off sports car enthusiasts think that of our BiB what say a bunch of 'hoodies'?
mungo said:
Ted I thought better of you than the comments you have made without knowing the full story!
As for the website link, well it's pathetic whats written on there - The police would not have acted unlawfully. As for complaints being ignored, well all complaints are looked into no matter how small by Professional Standards Division. If police have dropped the complaint that says a lot to me about the fact that the officers were acting perfectly lawfully
Sorry Mungo, gotta disagree mate.
The police act illegally all the time, only we just dont usually see it.
Many moons ago a guy i know was knocked off his motorbike deliberatly by the cops in a patrol car.
They followed him, and rammed him into a tree knocking him unconcious.
Then they kicked him in the nuts when he woke up cos he started flailing his arms around as he didnt know where the hell he was resulting in massive damage to the said left knacker.
All this with NO warnings, NO lights or sirens.
The cops made up some story about failure to stop and he "rta'd all on his own" ....yeah right, sure he did.
West Midlands Crime Squad anyone? They wernt acting illegally either, were they?
So.
Several hours later and still no word from Mr E to tell us why he was carted away by the socialist Right wing
Maybe he is being held for longer than his 6 hourly reviews allow so they can show all you speed merchants that this is a warning about fighting the system!
Or could they be waiting to slip in a Supt review to keep him for 36 hours before he is carted off to the beak for his maximum allowed detention
.
You lot have been so brainwashed with conspiracy by the likes of SS and his 'Ilk' (Gerald where are you?) you are beginning to lose touch with reality
Several hours later and still no word from Mr E to tell us why he was carted away by the socialist Right wing
Maybe he is being held for longer than his 6 hourly reviews allow so they can show all you speed merchants that this is a warning about fighting the system!
Or could they be waiting to slip in a Supt review to keep him for 36 hours before he is carted off to the beak for his maximum allowed detention
. You lot have been so brainwashed with conspiracy by the likes of SS and his 'Ilk' (Gerald where are you?) you are beginning to lose touch with reality
havoc said:
...... called themselves the "National Socialist German Workers' Party", and were in fact far more socialist than our current Labour Government.
Really!
So burning the Jews was a socialist agenda then! Nothing to do with a Nationalist agenda from the far right.
Why do the British National Party have such fervant links to Nazism? Are they socialists too
? Do names always reflect their specific meanings?
Was the work of the Nazis Socialism at all?
Tony Blair is a Socialist!
gone said:
So.
Several hours later and still no word from Mr E to tell us why he was carted away by the socialist Right wing
Maybe he is being held for longer than his 6 hourly reviews allow so they can show all you speed merchants that this is a warning about fighting the system!
Or could they be waiting to slip in a Supt review to keep him for 36 hours before he is carted off to the beak for his maximum allowed detention
You lot have been so brainwashed with conspiracy by the likes of SS and his 'Ilk' (Gerald where are you?) you are beginning to lose touch with reality
You got it the wrong way round materegarding the brainwashing: "Speed kills" ring a bell with you?
Now excuse me, i feel a sudden urge to go buy a copy of The Catcher in the Rye......
mungo said:
As for the website link, well it's pathetic whats written on there - The police would not have acted unlawfully.
As for complaints being ignored, well all complaints are looked into no matter how small by Professional Standards Division. If police have dropped the complaint that says a lot to me about the fact that the officers were acting perfectly lawfully
Whats it like having been brainwashed?
Sorry Mungo, but as a 'newish' plod, you are showing all the signs of a religious veggie convert zealot.
Re read your post and think again. Your'e normally quite readable and sensible, but on this occasion............
now come on, I know people tow the company line but the only blinkered people are the bib at the minute - blithely believing that *every* officer is *always* 100% straight and true... oh come off it
that's like saying everyone at Halfords is a qualified trained mechanic versed in every aspect of automotive technology just because I work there - I know that isn't true
I guess though that (as has happened to posters in the past) the 'company' gets heavy and the poster is asked to curtail their views, but I still resolutely personally believe that there are good cops and bad cops, and what's been shown here are bad cops in action - I shall wait for official word (although the cynic in me says it will be swept under the carpet) on the actions of the police before I cast any aspertions on the events taken place, but from this uncomfortable position on the fence, the police were in the wrong...
that's like saying everyone at Halfords is a qualified trained mechanic versed in every aspect of automotive technology just because I work there - I know that isn't true
I guess though that (as has happened to posters in the past) the 'company' gets heavy and the poster is asked to curtail their views, but I still resolutely personally believe that there are good cops and bad cops, and what's been shown here are bad cops in action - I shall wait for official word (although the cynic in me says it will be swept under the carpet) on the actions of the police before I cast any aspertions on the events taken place, but from this uncomfortable position on the fence, the police were in the wrong...
On this thread I see people jumping to conclusions at both ends of the scale:
at one end we have people convincedon the word of one man, who appears from his website to be a little cranky, that this is a case of police brutality;
at the other, we have the usual phenomenon of the Police members telling us that the Police are perfect in everything they do.
On the evidence available, neither camp has enough to justify its position at this stage.
at one end we have people convincedon the word of one man, who appears from his website to be a little cranky, that this is a case of police brutality;
at the other, we have the usual phenomenon of the Police members telling us that the Police are perfect in everything they do.
On the evidence available, neither camp has enough to justify its position at this stage.
Zod said:
at the other, we have the usual phenomenon of the Police members telling us that the Police are perfect in everything they do.
I have never said that. You have read into my posts something which is not there!
I have merely stated that this persons has posted on his site that he was arrested and badly treated. That may well have been the case. What we do not know is the reason he was arrested. Lots of conclusions jumped to by those who vehemently hate the regime and will find anything they can to make remarks of which they know little.
This person has not posted on this site at all!
Old men who do not want to be arrested can be troublesome! They sometimes need to be dealt with in a way which old men should not be dealt with if they are troublesome.
Some posters have stated that officers are 'special officers acting on orders from a high authority'. That they have no numbers on their shoulders!
It is apparent they are normally uniformed officers in a panda car with numbers on their shoulders from closer examination of the photos from Mr E's site!
zod said:
On the evidence available, neither camp has enough to justify its position at this stage.
I do not seek to justify the actions of those officers attending the address of Mr E. Show me where I have treid to justify what they have done in this particualr case. I cannot as I do not know why he was arrested or for what other than he states it was a warrant. I don't expect it was a warrant because he has failed to pay his TV licence!
If they have been heavy handed then they will be investigated. It would appear that this has happened and according to Mr E, not to his satisfactory conclusion or wishes!
All I seek to do is uncover a very obvious bias by members of this site to jump to conclusions and make things up to suit their own agendas!
I merely presented some facts about why police bash down doors which are apparently completely unacceptable to those who support cranky old inventors with a mission
. I also stated that Stazi are not socialists! They may call themselves socialists but they do not practice socialist doctrines
.Mr Whippy said:
I really hope the European courts manage to do something BIG about this, and bring it out. They want to get right to the bottom of this.
Clearly goes a long way up if the police complaints comission won't do anything about it!
Do you actually know about the European courts?
Are you aware that the European court sits in your own back yard?
Our courts deal with European rights issues!
Mr Whippy said:
This kinda crap can't go on.
Arresting people for warrants?
Why ever not?
Mr Whippy said:
Poor guy. Standing up for his rights, and he gets none exercised in return! From the people that are supposed to PROTECT our bloody freedom.
He would have been given all his rights by the relevant Custody Sgt on his arrival at the Police Station!
Mr Whippy said:
Would he really do all that for fun if they hadn't done this unlawfully Gone?
Dave
>> Edited by Mr Whippy on Tuesday 24th May 13:58
He is on a mission! He will do anything to succeed in that. For that I commend his resiliance but not his sanity!!!
short story: dropped a friend of mine off opposite his brother's work place, arranging to pick him up again in a couple of days. On picking him up again he tells me that two plain clothes police stopped him just after I left, stating that they had been following him for the past hour and felt that they had to stop him because he was acting suspiciously! Only cleared everything up when he called his brother to come out and vouch for him. NO apology!
I wonder who observed these events.
Where is the evidence that they knocked him unconscious. He couldn't state that ... he'd be unconscious.
I have previously refrained from commenting on Mr Edgar's website diatribe, however I concluded on first and subsequent readings that he presents as a very sad and lonely man. [And before you start attacking me, read some of my other posts railing against failings of the police force (sorry, 'service') and the actions of some BiB - S]
Streaky
notsoaccurate website said:
Having knocked Mr. Edgar unconscious ...
Where is the evidence that they knocked him unconscious. He couldn't state that ... he'd be unconscious.
notsoaccurate website said:The fact that he is shown on the floor does not mean that he was dragged (or that he was unconscious) - he might have offered resistance by collapsing ... a common 'trick' you can see at any demo.
... the police officers then dragged him to their awaiting police car ...
notsoaccurate website said:The injuries appear to have been caused by the handcuffs, not be him being bundled into the back of the police car per se. I suspect they may have been incurred whilst he was 'resisting'.
... they then bundled him into the back of the car causing him injuries ...
notsoaccurate website said:An angina attack does not commonly cause anyone to stop breathing. If indeed he did stop breathing, the officers would have stopped and rendered CPR (unless they were outside the local A&E) and summoned an ambulance (almost any journey to hospital is likely to take more than the three minutes it takes to suffer brain damage). And, if he did stop breathing, he would likely have been kept in for observation ... which does not appear to have been the case.
... then whilst on rout [sic] to the police station Mr. Edgar stopped breathing and they then had to rush him to the local hospital where he was treated for an angina attack
I have previously refrained from commenting on Mr Edgar's website diatribe, however I concluded on first and subsequent readings that he presents as a very sad and lonely man. [And before you start attacking me, read some of my other posts railing against failings of the police force (sorry, 'service') and the actions of some BiB - S]
Streaky
streaky said:
1. Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact.
"Iteration - see iteration". The definition contains the word it is defining ... wonderful! - Streaky
OT but I think you'll find that that is an example of it's usage, with the definition before the colon.
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