No Mask, No Entry, No Exceptions
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yellowjack said:
Yet another pathetic response. Nothing but thinly veiled abusive mockery.
For the hard of thinking: It's not the effectiveness of a mask that people who don't wear one are objecting to. It's having any kind of mask on their face full stop. And it's not something that can be explained, logically, to someone who doesn't understand. It's not logical, that's the whole point. It's a mental (ill)health thing. And you understand what that is, right? You know, that affliction whereby a person's brain isn't doing all of the right things in the right order to give the appearance of being "normal". Believe me, if I could fix what ails me, I would. But repeated attempts have failed to help me, and I have yet to find a breakthrough by which I can help myself. but you carry on convincing yourself that it's just a simple choice we're selfishly) making, if it makes you feel superior.
As I've already tried to explain, I CAN (physically) wear a mask. But doing so makes me (mentally) unwell. And because I wouldn't ask you to do yourself physical harm to improve my mental health, I expect you to respect my situation when the tables are turned. Hell, I used to be an NBC (Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical warfare) instructor. I spent hours in a full NBC suit and respirator for days on end. But now it causes me distress to put a piece of cloth over my nose and mouth. It defies logical explanation, but it's where I am today. You want me to wear a mask? Dip your hand in your pocket and pay for the best therapist there is. If it works out, I'll wear a mask. But believe me when I say I've been down that road more than once or twice, and the very best that was achieved was a slight improvement.
Some excellent posts from you today, I feel for you. For the hard of thinking: It's not the effectiveness of a mask that people who don't wear one are objecting to. It's having any kind of mask on their face full stop. And it's not something that can be explained, logically, to someone who doesn't understand. It's not logical, that's the whole point. It's a mental (ill)health thing. And you understand what that is, right? You know, that affliction whereby a person's brain isn't doing all of the right things in the right order to give the appearance of being "normal". Believe me, if I could fix what ails me, I would. But repeated attempts have failed to help me, and I have yet to find a breakthrough by which I can help myself. but you carry on convincing yourself that it's just a simple choice we're selfishly) making, if it makes you feel superior.
As I've already tried to explain, I CAN (physically) wear a mask. But doing so makes me (mentally) unwell. And because I wouldn't ask you to do yourself physical harm to improve my mental health, I expect you to respect my situation when the tables are turned. Hell, I used to be an NBC (Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical warfare) instructor. I spent hours in a full NBC suit and respirator for days on end. But now it causes me distress to put a piece of cloth over my nose and mouth. It defies logical explanation, but it's where I am today. You want me to wear a mask? Dip your hand in your pocket and pay for the best therapist there is. If it works out, I'll wear a mask. But believe me when I say I've been down that road more than once or twice, and the very best that was achieved was a slight improvement.
Countdown said:
Interesting that you refer to "pretence that masks are definitely doing something positive" when there is now clear research that masks of a certain quality DO reduce infection rates.
It’s logical to assume that high grade masks used correctly will help prevent infections of Covid and other infection diseases. That’s why they’re used by medical people. Doctors and other medics use high grade masks, change them regularly and dispose of them responsibly. Unfortunately the public aren’t following suit. The same masks are being used for days/weeks on end being repeatedly handled and left on tables and other surfaces. Many are then discarded as litter. I’ve witnessed youngster borrowing used masks before entering a shop. This behaviour can only increase infection rates.
Countdown said:
bad company said:
Countdown said:
Interesting that you refer to "pretence that masks are definitely doing something positive" when there is now clear research that masks of a certain quality DO reduce infection rates.
It’s logical to assume that high grade masks used correctly will help prevent infections of Covid and other infection diseases. That’s why they’re used by medical people. Doctors and other medics use high grade masks, change them regularly and dispose of them responsibly. Unfortunately the public aren’t following suit. The same masks are being used for days/weeks on end being repeatedly handled and left on tables and other surfaces. Many are then discarded as litter. I’ve witnessed youngster borrowing used masks before entering a shop. This behaviour can only increase infection rates.
I can’t see that mask wearing is helping the situation at all other than making some feel that they’re ‘doing something to help’.
MattyD803 said:
Sorry, haven't read this entire thread....but the title caught my eye due to observations I made on the weekend.
I was stood by the entrance to the Oracle Shopping Centre in Reading on Sunday (inside, waiting for the other half who was in Boots) and it was my estimate that between 5-10% of people entering were not wearing masks. (None of whom had any notable disabilities or indeed exemption lanyards)
I don't frequent the Oracle a huge amount, but this is certainly the first time i've seen such a high number of people choosing not to wear a mask. I'm not necessarily overly bothered by this (perhaps a little jealous, as I find wearing one a PITA as many of us do), but is this a sign of things to come? Do we start to see a ramp down in those wearing them indoors, particularly from the 19th July?
There’s no obligation for those exempt from masks to wear a badge or lanyard although several do so. I carry my badge just in case but no longer wear it.I was stood by the entrance to the Oracle Shopping Centre in Reading on Sunday (inside, waiting for the other half who was in Boots) and it was my estimate that between 5-10% of people entering were not wearing masks. (None of whom had any notable disabilities or indeed exemption lanyards)
I don't frequent the Oracle a huge amount, but this is certainly the first time i've seen such a high number of people choosing not to wear a mask. I'm not necessarily overly bothered by this (perhaps a little jealous, as I find wearing one a PITA as many of us do), but is this a sign of things to come? Do we start to see a ramp down in those wearing them indoors, particularly from the 19th July?
I was in London last week and noticed several people in shops and particularly on the tube not wearing masks. In answer to your question yes I reckon they’ll be less muzzles around but some will inevitably carry on which is fine, their choice.
Edited by bad company on Tuesday 29th June 16:14
Countdown said:
....which nobody has disputed.
However we now have evidence that clearly shows how wearing masks of a certain quality reduce infection rates significantly (as BC acknowledges). So anybody using the argument that "they don't wear masks because they don't work" is talking rubbish. They do work if you buy masks of the right quality.
Everyone buys surgical grade masks and changes them every 2-4 hours. Do we also wear hazmat suits?However we now have evidence that clearly shows how wearing masks of a certain quality reduce infection rates significantly (as BC acknowledges). So anybody using the argument that "they don't wear masks because they don't work" is talking rubbish. They do work if you buy masks of the right quality.
doc261 said:
bad company said:
There’s no obligation for those exempt from masks to wear a badge or lanyard although several do so. I carry my badge just in case but no longer wear it.
I was in London last week and noticed several people in shops and particularly on the tube not wearing masks. In answer to your question yes I reckon they’ll be less muzzles around but some will inevitably carry on which is fine, their choice.
Why do you call it a muzzle? As a surgeon I’ve worn a “muzzle” for 30 years I was in London last week and noticed several people in shops and particularly on the tube not wearing masks. In answer to your question yes I reckon they’ll be less muzzles around but some will inevitably carry on which is fine, their choice.
Edited by bad company on Tuesday 29th June 16:14
garyhun said:
APontus said:
Graveworm said:
Do you care in any way that the EU spec EN14683:2005 for surgical masks worn during procedures and examinations is all about trapping outgoing pathogens, at which face coverings, very early on, were shown to do as well and in most cases better.
No.Edited by Graveworm on Tuesday 29th June 20:25
Durzel said:
YOU could wear it properly though.
The fact other people are idiots and don't wear them properly, either intentionally (there's plenty of malicious compliance about, no doubt by people who think along the same lines as you do) or because, well, they're idiots. That doesn't invalidate you wearing them properly though any more than, for example, fraudulently claiming whiplash for compo "because everyone else is doing it" does. If "everyone else" didn't do it, and they became part of the solution rather than the problem, then perhaps slowly it might solve itself?
Be the change you want to see in the world, or just carry on being selfish while others - who quite possibly also don't care for masks but wear them anyway, in the belief that they protect themselves or others, do it because they actually aren't selfish, obstinate, oppressively defiant
s.
I could also wear a hazmat suit and stay at home to reduce the risk of an accident. The point is that the masks aren’t achieving anything and more of need to just say no more.The fact other people are idiots and don't wear them properly, either intentionally (there's plenty of malicious compliance about, no doubt by people who think along the same lines as you do) or because, well, they're idiots. That doesn't invalidate you wearing them properly though any more than, for example, fraudulently claiming whiplash for compo "because everyone else is doing it" does. If "everyone else" didn't do it, and they became part of the solution rather than the problem, then perhaps slowly it might solve itself?
Be the change you want to see in the world, or just carry on being selfish while others - who quite possibly also don't care for masks but wear them anyway, in the belief that they protect themselves or others, do it because they actually aren't selfish, obstinate, oppressively defiant
s.
julian64 said:
None of the above mentioned condition are a reason to go around mask-less. In fact having the above conditions would represent the most import reason TO be wearing one.
Are you qualified to say that? The medical people here see it differently.https://www.mysurgerywebsitemobile.co.uk/website/J...
Alucidnation said:
What you should also remember is that this place is in no way representative of what goes on out in the real world.
I would also go so far to say that many of the vocal ones comply quite happily when required to.
Where are we all ‘required to’ please? Whenever I’m asked why I’m not wearing a mask I reply that I’m exempt. It doesn’t happen often but I was asked in a supermarket a few days ago.I would also go so far to say that many of the vocal ones comply quite happily when required to.
StamV said:
Here is your typical anti-masker, all about "me and myself", no respect for local laws and authority (and not that bright either) but, unfortunately for him, not in a free-for-all place like the UK
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/british...
How do you justify calling him ‘typical’?https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/british...
You can’t and he’s an idiot.
StamV said:
bad company said:
How do you justify calling him ‘typical’?
You can’t and he’s an idiot.
When interviewed he mentioned exactly the same arguments as on this forum... the only difference is that he is not bright enough to realise when to keep a low profile.You can’t and he’s an idiot.
StamV said:
bad company said:
StamV said:
bad company said:
How do you justify calling him ‘typical’?
You can’t and he’s an idiot.
When interviewed he mentioned exactly the same arguments as on this forum... the only difference is that he is not bright enough to realise when to keep a low profile.You can’t and he’s an idiot.
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