Laser Jammer worked a treat but what now? HELP!
Discussion
SteveCallaghan said:
The person we prosecuted for Obstruction for use of a Jammer on 2 occasions wasn't speeding on both occasions.
We impounded his car for about 5 weeks, crushed the jammer and convicted him for Obstruction.
Just to cheer you up.
Should we decide to have an annual "Pistonheads Oscars", can I take this opportunity to nominate this for the "Most Quoted Post" category?
Streetcop said:
I was just pointing out that jaming lasers IS at the moment illegal. I can also see the day, not so long in the future, when radar detectors will be illegal again.
Street
Street, I have to pick you up on this. If they are illegal at the moment, why is legislation currently being drafted to make them illegal?
Could it be because they are currently NOT illegal?
If you believe they are, please feel free to post links to the relevant legislation as I believe you are misinformed.
They may be illegal in the future, but they aren't as yet. The only prosecutions have been rollovers based on self confessions. As they have not passed on to a higher court, they don't set a precedent. The only way that could happen right now would be to force it to a be heard in front of a judge.
I believe that case would be dropped by the CPS as it would be unlikely to succeed and more likely to set a precedent.
Correct me if I have got it wrong, but please quote the relevant legislation so I can check it out.
I'm not trolling, but the law should be absolute in both directions.
BliarOut said:
I was just pointing out that jaming lasers IS at the moment illegal. I can also see the day, not so long in the future, when radar detectors will be illegal again.
Street
Street, I have to pick you up on this. If they are illegal at the moment, why is legislation currently being drafted to make them illegal?
Could it be because they are currently NOT illegal?
If you believe they are, please feel free to post links to the relevant legislation as I believe you are misinformed.
They may be illegal in the future, but they aren't as yet. The only prosecutions have been rollovers based on self confessions. As they have not passed on to a higher court, they don't set a precedent. The only way that could happen right now would be to force it to a be heard in front of a judge.
I believe that case would be dropped by the CPS as it would be unlikely to succeed and more likely to set a precedent.
Correct me if I have got it wrong, but please quote the relevant legislation so I can check it out.
I'm not trolling, but the law should be absolute in both directions.
I have covered this earlier, I suspect that Street's statement is based upon information given to him by his superiors rather than factual law. Some of you may remember the Police telling you for years that radar detectors were illegal under the very current 1949 Wireless Telegraphy Act
davey68 said:
Bennno you are spot on! so called policemen like this make me sick... it was probably the highlight of his day! likely assorted burglary, theft, assaults and who knows what else happened on his patch but he sure did his bit for the public that day!!
I'm not sure from your post but just in case I read it as I thought I want to point out that Steve C from the Cumbria Silly Camera Site is not Police officer, as far as I am aware has never been one, he's just someone that thinks that cameras have a useful part to play in road safety despite 10 years+ evidence to the contrary.
Cheers
Paul
''The person we prosecuted for Obstruction for use of a Jammer on 2 occasions wasn't speeding on both occasions.
We impounded his car for about 5 weeks, crushed the jammer and convicted him for Obstruction.
Just to cheer you up.''
No offense mate but were you bullied at school? You just seem a bit bitter....If everyone was like you we'd be a nation of complete and utter ****'s....so that makes you a.....
>> Edited by RickApple on Friday 17th September 23:35
gopher said:
Bennno you are spot on! so called policemen like this make me sick... it was probably the highlight of his day! likely assorted burglary, theft, assaults and who knows what else happened on his patch but he sure did his bit for the public that day!!
I'm not sure from your post but just in case I read it as I thought I want to point out that Steve C from the Cumbria Silly Camera Site is not Police officer, as far as I am aware has never been one, he's just someone that thinks that cameras have a useful part to play in road safety despite 10 years+ evidence to the contrary.
Cheers
Paul
I am sure you must be mistaken, I mean a mere civillian would not be able to be involved in the arrest of a person the confisication of their property and the destruction of it and be able to comment in depth on the law.........
SteveCallaghan said:
So - If you knew he wasn't speeding why thedid you point the laser at him?
Were you just fishing for some extra revenue as you hadn't persecuted enough taxpayers that day or did you have spat with missus and it just put you in a vindictive mood!?
Well we thought he was, then found he wasn't. Nobody's perfect.
Steviebabes Liebchen
We have had this conversation before on Nice TonyRec's thread about whay we need useful gadgets. Now you know from that thread - I do not have jammer but have Origin B2 and an RA in athe classics.
What amuses me is the fact that you zap me, the Mad Doc, my L-driver son and my own Papa (who suffers from the 3mph tolerance and scams in fancy dress (though we all agree the waste bin is most apt
) You zap anything that moves regardless! Why? Are you hoping that I am 1mph above speed limit so that you can deliver my NIP in person here? Or you thinking you can zap me to find out whther I have jammer because you notice the B2's thingy in windscreen?
Admit it - you fish for revenue - but - beware - feral felines have nasty claws and the one who taught this one how to drive is not at all impressed with either your record on road safety or way you go about "resolving it" . Papa has gone back to Switzerland with very negative view - and he is one very precise motorist...
You dismiss driver training, your idea of advertising road safety is a bizarre advert on the back of a bus - and when something more constructive is suggested - you ignore it - or come out with blatant nonsense. Heck - you have even dismissed "RoadCraft" at one point according to my cousin Axel (plain clothes policeman based in Germany).
You are only happy so long as everyone agrees with scameras being best thing since slice bread machines were invented.
Road safety is not about a speed camera at a speed limit change (decided by 7 people in a pub - but you are not interested in how this came to be - and for record I agree 40mph and even lower is appropraite throught the village - but you are zapping before the lollipop - and this is proven by my b2 sounding alarm - even at 40mph within the NSL zone
) Road safety is about training, education input as constant and done in most sensible and realistic way....
Road safety should not be about convicting people for minor overspeeds in safe conditions and I am sure I do not need to remind you thaat the M6 is currently experiencing a lot of mishaps. Which are occurring more frequently than ever before - and I can only conclude that this is down to panic braking when your van is spotted on the bridge!
observer said:
Well we thought he was [speeding], then found he wasn't. Nobody's perfect.
Steve Callaghan is on record (on CSCP forum) stating how easy it is to tell whether a car is speeding and how very, very good he/they are at it. I challenged that statement at the time. Now he's effectively confirmed what we always knew. Laser operators zap cars indiscriminately and keep zapping until they've found a victim.
Of course they do Liebchen!
He zaps me, the mad Doc, my cousins, in-laws and my papa. Not one of us was speeding - in fact we know exactly where they lurk so we make sure we are at leas 3mph below limit - and he still zaps us....
He knows who we are alright - the kittens pull funy faces at him...
Streetcop said:
[ I can also see the day, not so long in the future, when radar detectors will be illegal again.
Street
Hmm! Like we said before - b2 is useful accurate extra speedo on the dash. These gadgets warn of schools and blackspots too.
They do not make one a safer driver - but they are a useful tool all the same - Liebchen!
BlackStuff said:
The person we prosecuted for Obstruction for use of a Jammer on 2 occasions wasn't speeding on both occasions.
We impounded his car for about 5 weeks, crushed the jammer and convicted him for Obstruction.
Just to cheer you up.
Should we decide to have an annual "Pistonheads Oscars", can I take this opportunity to nominate this for the "Most Quoted Post" category?
Well - just to make sure he wins on something ...
Und to be "nice cute pusscat"
Streetcop said:
I suspect that Street's statement is based upon information given to him by his superiors
I don't have any superiors....I do,however, have senior officers..
Street
I suspect Street's statement is based upon information given to him by more senior officers ! Is this the case ?
mobilecentre said:
davey68 said:
Bennno you are spot on! so called policemen like this make me sick... it was probably the highlight of his day! likely assorted burglary, theft, assaults and who knows what else happened on his patch but he sure did his bit for the public that day!!
I'm not sure from your post but just in case I read it as I thought I want to point out that Steve C from the Cumbria Silly Camera Site is not Police officer, as far as I am aware has never been one, he's just someone that thinks that cameras have a useful part to play in road safety despite 10 years+ evidence to the contrary.
Cheers
Paul
I am sure you must be mistaken, I mean a mere civillian would not be able to be involved in the arrest of a person the confisication of their property and the destruction of it and be able to comment in depth on the law.........
Why on earth not, solicitors comments on it and I've met some pretty thick and useless ones posing as law professionals in my time.
Anyone would think the law was difficult the way these superior beings go on.
BliarOut said:
I was just pointing out that jaming lasers IS at the moment illegal. I can also see the day, not so long in the future, when radar detectors will be illegal again.
Street
Street, I have to pick you up on this. If they are illegal at the moment, why is legislation currently being drafted to make them illegal?
Could it be because they are currently NOT illegal?
If you believe they are, please feel free to post links to the relevant legislation as I believe you are misinformed.
They may be illegal in the future, but they aren't as yet. The only prosecutions have been rollovers based on self confessions. As they have not passed on to a higher court, they don't set a precedent. The only way that could happen right now would be to force it to a be heard in front of a judge.
I believe that case would be dropped by the CPS as it would be unlikely to succeed and more likely to set a precedent.
Correct me if I have got it wrong, but please quote the relevant legislation so I can check it out.
I'm not trolling, but the law should be absolute in both directions.
I think what street may be getting at is that some point of law may be used to prosecute their use, i.e. Obstruction as in the Cumbria Case.
What a shame it was not tested and the guy pleaded guilty.
Why have the experts in the law not commented on this angle? Perhaps the pedantic gets are claiming that this doesn't make them illegal but you can still get a hefty fine or be sent down for obstruction. So from that point of view, illegal NO, you can just get convicted of an offence and sent to prison and it isn't illegal, how can these highway robbers get away with their over inflated charges and be so dim witted?
It's quite clear that the authorities are getting the ache about such devices (detectors aswell) is that they reduce fine income.
This is despite the fact that the evidence overwhelmingly shows that speed itself doesn't matter, it's the conditions at the time.
This has been said ad nauseum, but it's obvious those with vested interests don't want to hear.
This is evidenced by the speed camera etc representatives who occasionally visit this site - make good points and they disappear for a while!
This is despite the fact that the evidence overwhelmingly shows that speed itself doesn't matter, it's the conditions at the time.
This has been said ad nauseum, but it's obvious those with vested interests don't want to hear.
This is evidenced by the speed camera etc representatives who occasionally visit this site - make good points and they disappear for a while!
We've got three policeman in our family (and I once tried to join along with my best mate) so I'm not anti but what on earth makes a policeman tick to do such a spineless job when we're being over-run my low lifes who'll mug/steal from a granny, rape your 14 year old sister or feed drugs to just about any weak child. How in God's name do they live with themselves?
Ray Walker aged 57 and daily becoming more and more sick of living in this largely lawless country.
Ray Walker aged 57 and daily becoming more and more sick of living in this largely lawless country.
It's rich to see destroyer accusing others of considering themselves to be superior beings!
The legal point, destroyer, is very simple: until a court decides in a contested case that the use of a jammer to prevent a policeman from obtaining a correct speed reading consitutes the offence of obstruction of a police officer, the use of laser jammers will not be illegal.
The legal point, destroyer, is very simple: until a court decides in a contested case that the use of a jammer to prevent a policeman from obtaining a correct speed reading consitutes the offence of obstruction of a police officer, the use of laser jammers will not be illegal.
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