Was I being too Harsh? -Driving whilst using phone
Discussion
mondeoman said:
And you can guarantee that in his judgement he was safe.
Did he actually get that close to your car that you had to make an emergency manoeuvre? If not, then he wasn't driving dangerously. If he did, then he was dangerous. (sorry, cant be arsed to read the initial post again)
No emergency manoeuvre required, just thought he was a twat breaking the law.
Apache said:
No emergency manoeuvre required, just thought he was a twat breaking the law.
I bet you did over 70 later on, so you were breaking the law. If you did 85/90 through busy traffic the you would be a twat.............breaking the law.
Thats the problem....law is the law and all that...
Apache said:
No emergency manoeuvre required, just thought he was a twat breaking the law.
I bet you did over 70 later on, so you were breaking the law. If you did 85/90 through busy traffic the you would be a twat.............breaking the law.
Hee Hee
That's where you're wrong. I was in fuel economy mode and did not break the speed limit all the way home . 
Fat Audi 80 said:
Fat Audi 80 said:
No emergency manoeuvre required, just thought he was a twat breaking the law.
I bet you did over 70 later on, so you were breaking the law. If you did 85/90 through busy traffic the you would be a twat.............breaking the law.
Hee Hee
smartarse.......is that fuel economy mode a permanent feature?Apache said:
No emergency manoeuvre required, just thought he was a twat breaking the law.
I bet you did over 70 later on, so you were breaking the law. If you did 85/90 through busy traffic the you would be a twat.............breaking the law.
I also think that using a phone on the slip road and looking down at the display (he WAS dialling FFS, not just on his ear) is much worse than keeping up with the traffic flow at 85 with everyone else....
Fat Audi 80 said:
Fat Audi 80 said:
No emergency manoeuvre required, just thought he was a twat breaking the law.
I bet you did over 70 later on, so you were breaking the law. If you did 85/90 through busy traffic the you would be a twat.............breaking the law.
I also think that using a phone on the slip road and looking down at the display (he WAS dialling FFS, not just on his ear) is much worse than keeping up with the traffic flow at 85 with everyone else....
Agreed, do you see where I'm going here?
mondeoman said:
Street and Gemini - The Law is The Law - ARSE!!! Some of the things you say are well thought out and deserving of respect - but some of it is complete boll
cks. Discretion HAS to play a much bigger role in your jobs then "the law is the law" - very disappointing to hear that type of robotic tripe from intelligent people.
But the law is the law.....
Discretion is all very well and good, but as we've already read recently on here...some people don't believe that the 'attitude test' should be used by BiB when deciding whether to ticket or verbally warn.
In addition, how does the BiB later justify ticketing one person and verbally warning another for the same offence when the circumstance were that both drivers were of a different race/colour. Racism allegations incoming...!
Why should, we the driving public, expect to be shown discretion by the BiB when we get stopped for a motoring offence. We should expect to get a ticket...if we don't, then that's a bonus, but it's not to be expected from the start!
There are BiB who have had their backs pissed up by members of the public following verbal warnings that have come back to bite them on the bum later. Consequently, many employ the tactic "If it's worth stopping, it's worth ticketing"
Street
Yes but if THE LAW IS THE LAW then why are we still not burning witches at the stake? Its a crime to be a witch and since THE LAW IS THE LAW and that is that then it can never be changed because since it is THE LAW then it is obviously right no?
Laws are there to be challenged and changed to fit the needs of the people. The large percentage think that murder is wrong so murder is illegal. The large percentage think that peadophilia is wrong and that is illegal.
The mobile phone law is in because Tony Blair thought it was wrong
and because the media reported it in such a way that the public believed it was wrong. Soon the public will realise how silly and manipulated they have been and they will ask for various laws to be changed (speeding et al) but by then its always too late.
Anyway im off to burn a witch who said that the earth was flat. Isnt Science illegal as well? Must be because....
THE LAW IS THE LAW
Laws are there to be challenged and changed to fit the needs of the people. The large percentage think that murder is wrong so murder is illegal. The large percentage think that peadophilia is wrong and that is illegal.
The mobile phone law is in because Tony Blair thought it was wrong
and because the media reported it in such a way that the public believed it was wrong. Soon the public will realise how silly and manipulated they have been and they will ask for various laws to be changed (speeding et al) but by then its always too late. Anyway im off to burn a witch who said that the earth was flat. Isnt Science illegal as well? Must be because....
THE LAW IS THE LAW Hi all.
I'm new to this forum. I've found this post quite interesting, and I must admit I'm torn between acting and not acting. Part of me says that we all have a moral duty to act at any injustice or law breaking that we see. Before we know it, we will all be watching and ignoring the more serious issues, like the drink driver that ploughs into the early morning school run. I think with todays 'blame culture', 'civil liberties' and 'human rights', we are rapidly heading towards a decline , which needs to be stopped.
However, do we really want to run the risk of being assualted over a relatively minor offence, when all we want to do is get home safe and sound? Although I respect our Police boys/girls , it is the Courts which give the criminals, lenient sentences in an action, which could change our lives forever.
Is it really worth the risk, in today's society?
Cooperman said:
What a load of intolerant drivel this thread has become.
So, it's all right to break laws in respect of maximum legally allowed speed, but not alright to break the laws about the use of mobile phones. The original law in respect of careless driving covered inappropriate use of mobiles well enough, and the old speeding laws, pre-camera, covered dangerous speeding well enough.
Now there are some who want to pontificate about the use of mobiles whilst ignoring the speed limits.
Let's be clear, one thing (mobile phone use) is not always dangerous and another thing (speeding) is not always safe.
Let's just drive safely within our own personal limitations and stop castigating others who are doing so just because they drive differently from you or me.
Well said Peter.
Rather than keep trying to shout down the opposing viewpoint can we just accept that people have differing levels of ability.
Some people can be relied upon to use high speed safely, and some can not.
Some people can be relied upon to maintain safe driving while using a mobile phone, and some can not.
It depends on the individual involved, and the circumstances prevailing at the time.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
gemini said:
Not your job to enforce the law. If they are not hurting you or doing anything actually DANGEROUS then leave them to it.
Gh0st
Well wrong again - its is yours and society's job
God sake if we all just stand back what will happen - or is it just some of the laws we should respect and the others ? well lets choose according to our own morale stance.
What? Are you seriously saying that we should each take it upon oursleves to interfere if we see another driver doing something that we believe to be illegal or wrong?
If drivers were to do that I think it would be highly detrimental to road safety. Roads policing should be left to the Traffic police, otherwise you would be inviting a substantial increase in accidents - if I may call them that.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
The only thing you are going to get by gesturing to someone they shouldn't be doing something, is either the finger, an insult, or possibly even worse. So what good does it do you? If they are going to talk on the phone and drive then they will, and no matter how much you show your displeasure, it ain't going to change them.
I'd much rather concentrate on what I am doing and remaining vigilant.
I'd much rather concentrate on what I am doing and remaining vigilant.
Mrs Fish said:
The only thing you are going to get by gesturing to someone they shouldn't be doing something, is either the finger, an insult, or possibly even worse. So what good does it do you? If they are going to talk on the phone and drive then they will, and no matter how much you show your displeasure, it ain't going to change them.
I'd much rather concentrate on what I am doing and remaining vigilant.
Absolutely right Lisa.
Just look to your own defensive driving skills, keep out of trouble, and let's have a movement towards promoting that attitude. Then we might start getting very much better road safety at a bargain price.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Whatever people views on the mobile phone whilst driving offence, I'm still amazed by those who continue to commit the offence and don't look out for BiB.
Only last week, I ticketed a number of drivers who I'd passed alongside on a dual carraige way, drawn level with and still they didn't see me...!
More a case of:
Street
Only last week, I ticketed a number of drivers who I'd passed alongside on a dual carraige way, drawn level with and still they didn't see me...!
More a case of:
Street
Streetcop said:
Whatever people views on the mobile phone whilst driving offence, I'm still amazed by those who continue to commit the offence and don't look out for BiB.
Only last week, I ticketed a number of drivers who I'd passed alongside on a dual carraige way, drawn level with and still they didn't see me...!
More a case of:
Street
Yes very good Gary, but shirley you know it's rude to interrupt.
Best wishes all,
Dave - a very careful mobile phone user.
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