Dorset speed camera thresholds
Discussion
deltafox said:
Funky- destroyer is a scameraship manager, he's bound to say what youre hoping to hear. Its in his interest.
Hes also full of crap and a sore loser.
destroyer said:
I don't lose often and I support Funky's opinion.
deltafox said:
You lose all the time on safespeeds forum! So you support funkys opinion.....so what? Dosent make it correct.
destroyer said:
It looks, from the abuse it is attracting and absolutely fek all sensible opposition, that your logic is all washed up and out of petrol.
deltafox said:
Not true. People are sick of this kind of blinkered bollox perceptions especially when faced with FACTUALLY CORRECT INFO such as: www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=174495&f=10&h=0
"Exceeded speed limit...9TH!" Or cos you like figures...3%! 3% 3% 3%......not 33%, not 10% not nothing! Its 3%!
People exceeding the speed limit (you say its bad to do this) are responsible for 3% of accidents!
You exist for one reason therefore: To make money and the police stats prove it right there.
Try and win that one clever dicky!/quote]
[quote=destroyer]You usually do slightly better than playground banter.
Looks like i just sank your battleship.........still wanna play?
>> Edited by deltafox on Friday 29th April 09:19
destroyer said:
Funky- destroyer is a scameraship manager, he's bound to say what youre hoping to hear. Its in his interest.
Hes also full of crap and a sore loser.
I don't lose often...
Ignorance is bliss I suppose. If you think "not losing" means going quiet when the discussion gets tough, as you have done many times, then you are misguided.
8Pack said:
destroyer, when drivers have slowed to 40mph because of an excess of cameras and persecution do you then feel it necessary to lower the limit to 30 mph and set the trigger down accordingly. We all know that this has happened nationwide, at least where scamera partnerships are active,......... not in others.
What next old man? 20 mph? Or do we all have to walk, because it's faster.
Oh sorry! we'd have 4 mph cameras then wouldn't we?
P.S. who wanted to go to Dorset anyway? I wouldn't, not now!
>> Edited by 8Pack on Friday 29th April 00:16
Complete and utter rubbish made up by the Antii- camera pack.
Perhaps we'll come up with a name for you. How about, "The Confused"!
Mad Moggie said:
You sure as heck run away from my wife though
I think you have a very high yet misplaced opinion of the capabilities of both of you.
Mad Moggie said:
Not seen you on Paulie's site either. Ross the Aussie hoon is still waiting for an answer by the way 
The site is way off line, single sighted and frankly not worth the bother any more. It's off our list. Perhaps it should have a new mission statement "One Vision" now where have I heard that before?
destroyer said:
funkyrobot said:
Regardless of my alleged speed fixation, please can you tell me what ignoring speed limits and continuing to speed has solved???
I don't see less cameras on the road.
Stop being a muppet, andoff tbh. Nobody cares about your opinion any more.
come on polly! that's no better than a squawk!
Answer the man sensibly.
I'd rather turn the question around; what has introducing speed cameras and fining motorists achieved?
More dangerous roads - as proven by the statistics that you guys love so much.
Hey guys, I think you should lay off Destroyer, he was probably picked on at school and after a lifetime of under achievement sees working the scameras as his chance for revenege on joe public.
Why else would he choose to do a job that commands less respect than a a toilet cleaner.....
Why else would he choose to do a job that commands less respect than a a toilet cleaner.....
jesusbuiltmycar said:
Hey guys, I think you should lay off Destroyer, he was probably picked on at school and after a lifetime of under achievement sees working the scameras as his chance for revenege on joe public.
Why else would he choose to do a job that commands less respect than a a toilet cleaner.....
Shitty job, but some low life scum has to do it...
Personally i think its bloody marvellous that cscp closed their "propanganda forum" down.
Used to be that Kevin "the gerbil" Tea, Jan "My stats are right" Sjorup and Steve "Ive just dropped another one" Callaghan could control what people said....oh happy days now that if they want to argue they have to do it on our terms!
No censorship (well so long as its not blatantly obscene) and none of this " We wont tolerate criticisms of what we do" nonsense.
I love it!
Thge cscp "forum"...long may it rest in piss.
Used to be that Kevin "the gerbil" Tea, Jan "My stats are right" Sjorup and Steve "Ive just dropped another one" Callaghan could control what people said....oh happy days now that if they want to argue they have to do it on our terms!
No censorship (well so long as its not blatantly obscene) and none of this " We wont tolerate criticisms of what we do" nonsense.
I love it!
Thge cscp "forum"...long may it rest in piss.
destroyer said:
Funky chirpy chap
.... these blokes hide their vans in foliage in my part of the world,
This is of course a lie, often repeated by this member of The Confused.
Liebchen - Ernest has photos in his collection - most of which appeared over time on your now defunct site. I am sure he will post on Paul's site ... but I have priont out somewhere of that thread with the photos somewhere....
Besides - you do not know waht speed you drive at anyway - "-ish" indeed...
destructive one said:
You sure as heck run away from my wife though
I think you have a very high yet misplaced opinion of the capabilities of both of you.
Apart from my "unds" und so weiter - my command of Englisch ist stil better than yours!
nananananana! Und I know a thing or two about driving und cars.... und have never caused accident or had speeding ticket - even in Alps where ist 3 mph tolerance only no matter what road und speed limit.
As you know - had one nasty accident - und that was freak which could not be helped. He could have hit any anyone in that queue.... but he hit me at fullest impact in rear und unlike most accidents where driver ist reducing speed - he was increasing his speed towards the accident site. Only.... he was not aware...he was dying...
Und I cannot allow you to bleat on and on about normal ordinary speeding drivers causing mayhem - when I know this ist not always case. Just before my incident - my cousin was killed on m/way. Large lorry mit defective everything careered ther central reserve und hit him head on. Speed at impact was just 20 mph und lorry was in slow moving heavy traffic on other side of road. Others on other side of road were also hit und one other death there. M/way was closed for hours at time.
So - do not tell me speed ist sole killer here. I know it not to be - und I know majority of ordinary drivers pinged are perfectly safe und being prosecuted for trifling overspeeds. I am pro-dangerous twazaks being taken off road especially those who calim their speed to be "-ish"
You still run from me - Liebchen
Und if I cop you mit your hearse again - your flowers will end up
destructive one said:
Not seen you on Paulie's site either. Ross the Aussie hoon is still waiting for an answer by the way
The site is way off line, single sighted and frankly not worth the bother any more. It's off our list. Perhaps it should have a new mission statement "One Vision" now where have I heard that before?
Site has lots of good arguments. Mad Doc und IG - both in hum-dinger over heroin und weirdest one in Wales
Und the collective persuaded a cylist to do IAM training und they are discussing tactics und techniques to help him achieve the 5 S-s
This has done more to help road safety - when we get C+ hard core on there actually taking note, assessing their driving skills und taking hard und brave lookl at thmeselves und taking most courageous action to improve themselves und learn how to be that bit safet on road. Und IAM - ist not about driving fast und making progress... ist all about making progress safely - mit COAST skills und not scaring the passengers
Destroyer, could you explain to me what will be the policy direction when average speeds drop but road casualties don't (as appears to be the case - i'm talking about deaths not KSI figures)? Will the safety camera partnerships push for more stringent speed limits, and enforcement of those limits, or will they begin to pursue a more balanced approach to road safety?
I'm very concerned that the current policy is wrong, but the people who implement that policy do not want to admit the error.
I'm very concerned that the current policy is wrong, but the people who implement that policy do not want to admit the error.
destroyer said:
Funky chirpy chap
.... these blokes hide their vans in foliage in my part of the world,
This is of course a lie, often repeated by this member of The Confused.
You challengin me to send my collection of photos off to the tabloids? I have some./.. Ernest put his on your site ages ago.. but this was before the big dramatic gesture of the close down...
What was it> rllco go you down? Jess and Willi's reactions? Mole? Horse? JT? Observer? Gatsobait? All got to you didn't they... overwhlemed with questions you could not answer...
You got all stroppy on me over the hearse business on Paul's site too... Just cos I mentioned that people die for number of reasons and people may just be a little more than upset if they went shopping to get over a bereavement and come face to face with a cheap publicity stunt which misleads. How would you feel if I hired a hearse and told people sex, drugs and rock and roll kill? In reality - more die from unprotected sex and shared needles than in car crashes - but that's another argument I'm in the middle of...
Or what if I hired a hearse and told people not to smoke? drink? or eat an unhealthy diet? Latter are not killers - but perfectly safe in moderation - like driving tadge or so above a speed limit... But I'd bet you'd be first on phone to complain about me if I were daft enough to proclaim this in the middle of a market town. After all - it contributes if used unwisely - but may not be prime cause of the death.
destroyer said:
You sure as heck run away from my wife though
I think you have a very high yet misplaced opinion of the capabilities of both of you.
Not misplaced .. never had accident -and Wildy's was a freak occurrence and nothing to do with her driving ability. She could have done nothing to prevent that.
destroyer said:
Not seen you on Paulie's site either. Ross the Aussie hoon is still waiting for an answer by the way
The site is way off line, single sighted and frankly not worth the bother any more. It's off our list. Perhaps it should have a new mission statement "One Vision" now where have I heard that before?
One could same the same about your pratnership...But you have another pal to play with on there - a cam ooperator... very enlightening
destroyer said:
destroyer, when drivers have slowed to 40mph because of an excess of cameras and persecution do you then feel it necessary to lower the limit to 30 mph and set the trigger down accordingly. We all know that this has happened nationwide, at least where scamera partnerships are active,......... not in others.
What next old man? 20 mph? Or do we all have to walk, because it's faster.
Oh sorry! we'd have 4 mph cameras then wouldn't we?
P.S. who wanted to go to Dorset anyway? I wouldn't, not now!
>> Edited by 8Pack on Friday 29th April 00:16
Complete and utter rubbish made up by the Antii- camera pack.
Perhaps we'll come up with a name for you. How about, "The Confused"!
Oh on the contrary destroyer, rubbish is it? Then how do you explain for instance a local road near me, it was NSL 60 mph for years, farmers fields both sides, no buildings, almost no pedestrians, no accident history whatsoever...............it has now been given a 30 mph limit and is a favorite scam spot. The rabbits there are maybe a "bit" safer though. Confused? no mate it's you that's confused! or perhaps used! or just plain greedy?
destroyer said:
It isn't an irrellevant point at all is it?
The whole safety camera system sprang from the report that said that there was a link between average speed and KSI collisions.
Petrol headed numpties have continued to speed in between safety camera sites with their new anti-camera tactics supported by their camera detection toys in the mistaken knowledge that their driving skills are sooooo cool that they are immune from accidents and somehow cameras are causing people to skew off the road or collide. {breath in}
As Funky says, continuing to speed and speed tactically will not reduce the number of cameras, how could it? It will increase mobile camera presence in my opinion.
Give Funky's idea a go, you never know, it just might work.
"how can removing or reducing a 3% causation factor reduce accidents"? This is the irrellevant point and it is repeated time and again in an attempt to detract from the reduction of average speed of traffic. Reducing excess and excessive speed will reduce the average speed of traffic.
I say agaoin it will work by reducing the average speed of traffic overall dear boy. Now give it a go and stop yer winging, you otherwise law abiding person you! {another stupid but popular saying}
>> Edited by destroyer on Thursday 28th April 21:23
Destroyer, Funkyrobot,
Here we go, once and for all.
1) 3% of KSIs are attributed to the driver exceeding the posted limit
2) Current partnership criteria states that speed cameras will only be sited at locations where there have been (around) 3 KSIs in the last 3 years
Summing these two facts together, it should be clear that if no-one exceed the posted limit, we would still have 97% of the speed cameras we do today.
Spot the difference?
Also, as many have pointed out (which you have not denied); if no-one exceeded the posted limit, the speed limit would be reduced. Limit reductions will continue until the speed limit is set below a natural (and safe) driving speed, resulting with a significant amount of drivers being regularly caught out.
Also, it is time inefficient and boring to be driving at/below the posted limit. Would you not prefer to get somewhere in good time, happy to be making good progress?
Game, set, and match
I’m regularly over the ton (conditions permitting). So far, no-one has given me a good reason to cease driving at these speeds
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