Laser Jammer worked a treat but what now? HELP!
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Hi Chaps.
Well after a few months wondering if my Target LRC 100 laser jammer worked I finally found out this morning, 40MPH dual carriage way with camera van in the distance, maybe 400M away. I spotted him about 5 minutes earlier when travelling in the other direction so I was ready for him when I returned and I was only doing 35MPH when he zapped me. The jammer is linked to my Origin B2 and gave a clear and loud warning.
The thing is though (and this is a big thing) earlier in the morning, 8.30ish I seen a camera van outside a local school. I decided to knock on the van door and see if the helpful policeman would let me know what he was doing. He invited me in and described how his mini gatso worked, how it can be used to catch cars going in both directions, or just one direction, etc.. etc.. I then asked about the use of laser guns and he produced the usual LTI 20-20. He said this is used mainly for dual carriage ways and motorway speed monitoring. So now happy because I know what they use and why I went to work. As promised yesterday my new Cheetah speed camera detector arrived in the post so I fitted it and decided to go out on a jaunt past some fixed gatso’s to see if it worked. It works very well. But then I seen the camera van (as described above) and thought “ah, he was using radar outside the school, he must still be using it so this gives me a chance to see if my new piece of kit (cheetah) works well on mobile gatso’s. I didn’t know that the sneaky cop would have changed to the laser and he zapped my (as above) what I want to know is this – I wasn’t speeding when he zapped me but will he be able to get any info from the LTI 20-20 ???
Will he have been able to get my distance? Speed? (I know the LRC 100 jams the laser guns ability to take a speed reading but this is the first time it’s worked) A clear picture of my car registration plate, even a clear picture of me !!!
Any help would be most helpful – especially from a traffic/safety camera partnership policeman/policewoman.
Best regards
Wako
Well after a few months wondering if my Target LRC 100 laser jammer worked I finally found out this morning, 40MPH dual carriage way with camera van in the distance, maybe 400M away. I spotted him about 5 minutes earlier when travelling in the other direction so I was ready for him when I returned and I was only doing 35MPH when he zapped me. The jammer is linked to my Origin B2 and gave a clear and loud warning.
The thing is though (and this is a big thing) earlier in the morning, 8.30ish I seen a camera van outside a local school. I decided to knock on the van door and see if the helpful policeman would let me know what he was doing. He invited me in and described how his mini gatso worked, how it can be used to catch cars going in both directions, or just one direction, etc.. etc.. I then asked about the use of laser guns and he produced the usual LTI 20-20. He said this is used mainly for dual carriage ways and motorway speed monitoring. So now happy because I know what they use and why I went to work. As promised yesterday my new Cheetah speed camera detector arrived in the post so I fitted it and decided to go out on a jaunt past some fixed gatso’s to see if it worked. It works very well. But then I seen the camera van (as described above) and thought “ah, he was using radar outside the school, he must still be using it so this gives me a chance to see if my new piece of kit (cheetah) works well on mobile gatso’s. I didn’t know that the sneaky cop would have changed to the laser and he zapped my (as above) what I want to know is this – I wasn’t speeding when he zapped me but will he be able to get any info from the LTI 20-20 ???
Will he have been able to get my distance? Speed? (I know the LRC 100 jams the laser guns ability to take a speed reading but this is the first time it’s worked) A clear picture of my car registration plate, even a clear picture of me !!!
Any help would be most helpful – especially from a traffic/safety camera partnership policeman/policewoman.
Best regards
Wako
SteveCallaghan said:
The person we prosecuted for Obstruction for use of a Jammer on 2 occasions wasn't speeding on both occasions.
We impounded his car for about 5 weeks, crushed the jammer and convicted him for Obstruction.
Just to cheer you up.
I must have missed this.
Got some details? A link to the cort ruling perhaps?
Nice to know that a law abiding member of the public was punished heavily for owning a device that emits electro mag on a perfectly legal wavelength.
SteveCallaghan said:
The person we prosecuted for Obstruction for use of a Jammer on 2 occasions wasn't speeding on both occasions.
We impounded his car for about 5 weeks, crushed the jammer and convicted him for Obstruction.
Just to cheer you up.
Well It obviously cheered you up. What a victory. Well done. If only there were more people around like you guys, we would have more people to laugh at.
SteveCallaghan said:
The person we prosecuted for Obstruction for use of a Jammer on 2 occasions wasn't speeding on both occasions.
We impounded his car for about 5 weeks, crushed the jammer and convicted him for Obstruction.
Just to cheer you up.
You neglected to mention that jammers arent illegal and he was prosecuted from a self confession.
I should reiterate
LASER JAMMERS ARE NOT ILLEGAL as I write.
Anyone who took it to court would get off as there has to be proof of a crime being comitted before you can pervert the course of justice. As the jammer has prevented this, or indeed, it never happeneed you can't be prosecuted for perverting the course of justice.
You were lucky Steve
why the glee of a impounding a car? of someone who was not speeding? was he driving dangerously? was he insured? seat belt on?, paid his taxes? in favour of fox hunting?
This government, some of its servants in the persecution of drivers is beyond a joke.
You are Out Of Focus and should be ashamed in gleefully following 'orders'
This government, some of its servants in the persecution of drivers is beyond a joke.
You are Out Of Focus and should be ashamed in gleefully following 'orders'
dont panic. I got stopped with a Jammer after Jamming some nice police men in a 30 me doing 30 (about the only car that was causing a q behind me!).
They were indeed professional and nice. long and short No charges, The could see I wasnt speeding, No obstruction. Moto is turn it off in towns and dont speed in towns.
They were indeed professional and nice. long and short No charges, The could see I wasnt speeding, No obstruction. Moto is turn it off in towns and dont speed in towns.
dazren said:
The person we prosecuted for Obstruction for use of a Jammer on 2 occasions wasn't speeding on both occasions.
If the driver was using a jammer, how do you know wether he/she was speeding or not?
DAZ
I assume that he was prosecuted for obstructing the occifer in the course of his duties. Nothing to do with speeding. He stopped the occifer getting a reading which by law is illegal. OK, so how did they prove it and is it fair? I don't know.
Probably safer to just do 104mph on the M6 Toll road than use a jammer at 35mph in a 40 limit
BliarOut said:
The person we prosecuted for Obstruction for use of a Jammer on 2 occasions wasn't speeding on both occasions.
We impounded his car for about 5 weeks, crushed the jammer and convicted him for Obstruction.
Just to cheer you up.
You neglected to mention that jammers arent illegal and he was prosecuted from a self confession.
I should reiterate
LASER JAMMERS ARE NOT ILLEGAL as I write.
Anyone who took it to court would get off as there has to be proof of a crime being comitted before you can pervert the course of justice. As the jammer has prevented this, or indeed, it never happeneed you can't be prosecuted for perverting the course of justice.
You were lucky Steve
You are quite right but look again, we didn't convict for PCJ but obstruction. Obstuction was committed as we couldn't get a reading. We knew he wasn't speeding as we measured the speed of a car in the same column of traffic all going at similar speeds. So not lucky but a well constructed case. Yes there was an admission before the court had to decide but that was down to teh well prepared case.
SteveCallaghan said:
SteveCallaghan said:
The person we prosecuted for Obstruction for use of a Jammer on 2 occasions wasn't speeding on both occasions.
We impounded his car for about 5 weeks, crushed the jammer and convicted him for Obstruction.
Just to cheer you up.
You neglected to mention that jammers arent illegal and he was prosecuted from a self confession.
I should reiterate
LASER JAMMERS ARE NOT ILLEGAL as I write.
Anyone who took it to court would get off as there has to be proof of a crime being comitted before you can pervert the course of justice. As the jammer has prevented this, or indeed, it never happeneed you can't be prosecuted for perverting the course of justice.
You were lucky Steve
You are quite right but look again, we didn't convict for PCJ but obstruction. Obstuction was committed as we couldn't get a reading. We knew he wasn't speeding as we measured the speed of a car in the same column of traffic all going at similar speeds. So not lucky but a well constructed case. Yes there was an admission before the court had to decide but that was down to teh well prepared case.
So - If you knew he wasn't speeding why the
did you point the laser at him? Were you just fishing for some extra revenue as you hadn't persecuted enough taxpayers that day or did you have spat with missus and it just put you in a vindictive mood!?
minornut said:
So - If you knew he wasn't speeding why the
Were you just fishing for some extra revenue as you hadn't persecuted enough taxpayers that day or did you have spat with missus and it just put you in a vindictive mood!?
Well we thought he was, then found he wasn't. Nobody's perfect.
I thought that the laser device was used to backup the suspicion that the officer believed the vehicle to be speeding. Not just pointing it at any and every vehicle coming towards them.
That to me is an admission of the fact that it is just another tax on the motorist.
Go catch some real criminals please.
That to me is an admission of the fact that it is just another tax on the motorist.
Go catch some real criminals please.
SteveCallaghan said:Yeah Right! So the fact that the cars in front of him in the stream of traffic weren't speeding didn't give you an inkling then?
Well we thought he was, then found he wasn't. Nobody's perfect.
The fact that you guys used this very fact to bring the case to prosecution, then say you thought that he was speeding seems typical hypocrisy to me.
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Yup,
The laser device (LT 20-20) should only be used on a car, when the policeman (or woman) thinks that a car is speeding.
Thus on their statement, they always put : "I determined using my judgement that X was speeding and thus used the Lt 20-20 to confirm this" or similar.
Well this was the case 2 years ago when I got caught.
Ian
The laser device (LT 20-20) should only be used on a car, when the policeman (or woman) thinks that a car is speeding.
Thus on their statement, they always put : "I determined using my judgement that X was speeding and thus used the Lt 20-20 to confirm this" or similar.
Well this was the case 2 years ago when I got caught.
Ian
SteveCallaghan said:
You are quite right but look again, we didn't convict for PCJ but obstruction. Obstuction was committed as we couldn't get a reading. We knew he wasn't speeding as we measured the speed of a car in the same column of traffic all going at similar speeds. So not lucky but a well constructed case. Yes there was an admission before the court had to decide but that was down to teh well prepared case.
SteveCallaghan said:
Well we thought he was, then found he wasn't. Nobody's perfect.
So he was in this column, all moving at similar speeds below the posted limit and the operator assessed his speed and judged him to be above it, despite the others in the column not being, then pulled the trigger to confirm his suspecian that he was speeding?
Sounds a bit odd to me, more like they were pulling the trigger at anything that moves in the off chance they get one doing slightly over the limit and sending a £60 ransom demand.
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