Another day, another crime
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Did you know that, under the Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act, all householders in England have a responsibility to ensure their domestic rubbish is passed on to authorised carriers only.
Registered waste carriers, other than the local council, can now be found online thanks to a new 'waste carrier register', set up by the Environment Agency.
Local Environment Minister, Ben Bradshaw, said, "Fly-tippers rely on people not asking questions, and not checking for registration - but now all householders have a responsibility to ask those questions, and check for that registration. Waste cowboys can make huge sums of money by charging to take household rubbish away illegally, before dumping it over the nearest hedge. If that rubbish is traced back to the household it came from, the householder could now be fined." And that fine could be up to £5,000.00.
So if a bin-bag falls off the back of the council's lorry and is discovered ... you could be in for a shock.
Typical of this apology for a government, fine the victim, not the criminal.
Streaky
Registered waste carriers, other than the local council, can now be found online thanks to a new 'waste carrier register', set up by the Environment Agency.
Local Environment Minister, Ben Bradshaw, said, "Fly-tippers rely on people not asking questions, and not checking for registration - but now all householders have a responsibility to ask those questions, and check for that registration. Waste cowboys can make huge sums of money by charging to take household rubbish away illegally, before dumping it over the nearest hedge. If that rubbish is traced back to the household it came from, the householder could now be fined." And that fine could be up to £5,000.00.
So if a bin-bag falls off the back of the council's lorry and is discovered ... you could be in for a shock.
Typical of this apology for a government, fine the victim, not the criminal.
Streaky
Un f&^&$^%*^*&^*&*^%*^&*^&*(^&(*%^&*$££^ing believable
It's not so difficult to catch these fly tippers, what with all the cctv we have. Yet the authourities are to f$£!"%$"£$%$%^&ing lazy to catch them so now make it our responsibility.
Stop policing the f$£%"£$%^$ing motorways and parking bays and start following skip lorries around-its that easy to catch a fly tipper FFS
What is this country coming to????????
It's not so difficult to catch these fly tippers, what with all the cctv we have. Yet the authourities are to f$£!"%$"£$%$%^&ing lazy to catch them so now make it our responsibility.
Stop policing the f$£%"£$%^$ing motorways and parking bays and start following skip lorries around-its that easy to catch a fly tipper FFS
What is this country coming to????????
Hmm, I wonder what the possible outcome from making it more difficult for the public to get rid of their waste... they will dump it.
Warrington Borough Council in their infinate wisdom from last year stopped collecting bin-bags placed by the wheelie bins and putting them on the rubbish truck. Even if you put the bag on top of the bin, or beside it, they would pick up the bag and place it on the road instead of just putting it on the van with the rest of the waste.
When the rubbinsh collectors had forgotten to collect my rubbish for a second week running, I had bags by the side of the road that they refused to take. Over that night the bags had started to be ripped open by vermin so I rang the council for advice. I asked them to come back and collect the rubbish they missed, but found out they could not. I was advised that I should either bring the open bags of two week old rotting food waste back into my house (!) or pay £26 for the first bag and £6 for each additional bag for the council to collect it!
This I refused, and returning the two fingered salute I asked what would happen when it was left for a further day and the vermin and wind had completely ripped the bags open and spread them all over the road...
If I rang to report that it would take the refuse department a considerable amount of time to put the scraps of waste into a bag to collect it, but... they would do it for free...!
It was the councils plan to make an additional £25,000 in revenue for charging homeowners for collecting additional sacks. Over the first year they made a healthy £12,000 but the additional fly tipping in that year compared to the year before cost the taxpayer an additional £125,000.
I can see this new legislation moving this shortsightedness nationwide...
>> Edited by justinp1 on Thursday 22 December 20:02
Warrington Borough Council in their infinate wisdom from last year stopped collecting bin-bags placed by the wheelie bins and putting them on the rubbish truck. Even if you put the bag on top of the bin, or beside it, they would pick up the bag and place it on the road instead of just putting it on the van with the rest of the waste.
When the rubbinsh collectors had forgotten to collect my rubbish for a second week running, I had bags by the side of the road that they refused to take. Over that night the bags had started to be ripped open by vermin so I rang the council for advice. I asked them to come back and collect the rubbish they missed, but found out they could not. I was advised that I should either bring the open bags of two week old rotting food waste back into my house (!) or pay £26 for the first bag and £6 for each additional bag for the council to collect it!
This I refused, and returning the two fingered salute I asked what would happen when it was left for a further day and the vermin and wind had completely ripped the bags open and spread them all over the road...
If I rang to report that it would take the refuse department a considerable amount of time to put the scraps of waste into a bag to collect it, but... they would do it for free...!
It was the councils plan to make an additional £25,000 in revenue for charging homeowners for collecting additional sacks. Over the first year they made a healthy £12,000 but the additional fly tipping in that year compared to the year before cost the taxpayer an additional £125,000.
I can see this new legislation moving this shortsightedness nationwide...
>> Edited by justinp1 on Thursday 22 December 20:02
I think the other side of the Warrington problem is how shortsighted they are in general.
In another local council they are also strict on the rubbish per capita allowance, *but* they also give houses paper, glass, aluminium and steel, plastic and garden waste recycling bins. They also collect fridges for free and have a set rate for mattresses and TVs etc. Why use a fly-tipping cheapo man with a van, when the council do it at the same price or for free?
Warrington got round to sorting out a paper bin last year.
In another local council they are also strict on the rubbish per capita allowance, *but* they also give houses paper, glass, aluminium and steel, plastic and garden waste recycling bins. They also collect fridges for free and have a set rate for mattresses and TVs etc. Why use a fly-tipping cheapo man with a van, when the council do it at the same price or for free?
Warrington got round to sorting out a paper bin last year.
Round here we have a black bin (household waste) green bin (compostable waste) and a smaller bin for glass/plastic/cans. But as the bins are collected on a cycle of 2 weeks even with careful recycling I cant get 2 weeks waste for a household of 4 into one black wheelie bin. And you cant just put it in the green bin as they open them and check contents (even digging around in them to the bottom) to make sure its all compostable. ANd they will only take the contents of the bin. No bags left on top or by the side, and they will even remove rubbish if the bin is overfilled then put it back in after dumping the rest of the contents into the cart.
So not being in a neighbourhood where we want rotting rubbish I do the right thing and make the 12 mile round trip to the council dump once a week with my extra bag or two of rubbish and dump it in their skip. As do (it seems) a lot of others judging by the queue to get in and dump a bag.
So is this just another case of moving one problem to somewhere else ? We have less landfill but now we have lots more cars on the road contributing to pollution, global warming and of course probably speeding and thereby endangering life as we know it (lucky there are no cameras on the route to the dump)
Oh and a big thank you to the fool at the council who decided this week to swap the black and green bin collections around and notify everyone wiht an obscure note at the bottom of the years bin collection info. No one noticed , we all put out green bins and they just drove the truck down, looked at the greens then drove away again. So now the whole street (in fact most of the town from what I have heard) have to bag up all their rubbish and drive it the 12 miles to the tip.
I bet their figures look good though grrrr
The only people I hate more than the bin men are the scamera operators. And before you all jump in saying they are just doing a job we regularly experience them blocking the roads deliberately with their truck around here and causing the most amazing traffic jams.
*Rant Over*
So not being in a neighbourhood where we want rotting rubbish I do the right thing and make the 12 mile round trip to the council dump once a week with my extra bag or two of rubbish and dump it in their skip. As do (it seems) a lot of others judging by the queue to get in and dump a bag.
So is this just another case of moving one problem to somewhere else ? We have less landfill but now we have lots more cars on the road contributing to pollution, global warming and of course probably speeding and thereby endangering life as we know it (lucky there are no cameras on the route to the dump)
Oh and a big thank you to the fool at the council who decided this week to swap the black and green bin collections around and notify everyone wiht an obscure note at the bottom of the years bin collection info. No one noticed , we all put out green bins and they just drove the truck down, looked at the greens then drove away again. So now the whole street (in fact most of the town from what I have heard) have to bag up all their rubbish and drive it the 12 miles to the tip.
I bet their figures look good though grrrr
The only people I hate more than the bin men are the scamera operators. And before you all jump in saying they are just doing a job we regularly experience them blocking the roads deliberately with their truck around here and causing the most amazing traffic jams.
*Rant Over*
bigdods said:What? The scamera vans block the roads and cause traffic jams? Well, I guess that's one way of reducing speeding
[ ... ] The only people I hate more than the bin men are the scamera operators. And before you all jump in saying they are just doing a job we regularly experience them blocking the roads deliberately with their truck around here and causing the most amazing traffic jams.
- StreakyThe collection at our flats is somewhat erratic. If we get missed out, then the bins tend to get to the point where they overflow. Last year, we got missed two weeks in a row, and after much hassling, they returned to empty the bins (but refused to take the piled up bags from next to the bin).
Pompous official at council wanted to charge us for collecting the extra bags (even though it was their fault we have over-filled the bins). Told them vermin were getting into the rubbihs, and that they had two hours or we'd go to the press (local paper loves stories about council screwups). Within the hour we had a van round to clear up the mess!
We got missed out again yesterday. Wonder how much will have built up by the 5th Jan which is our next collection date.
Pompous official at council wanted to charge us for collecting the extra bags (even though it was their fault we have over-filled the bins). Told them vermin were getting into the rubbihs, and that they had two hours or we'd go to the press (local paper loves stories about council screwups). Within the hour we had a van round to clear up the mess!
We got missed out again yesterday. Wonder how much will have built up by the 5th Jan which is our next collection date.
bigdods said:
Round here we have a black bin (household waste) green bin (compostable waste) and a smaller bin for glass/plastic/cans. But as the bins are collected on a cycle of 2 weeks even with careful recycling I cant get 2 weeks waste for a household of 4 into one black wheelie bin. And you cant just put it in the green bin as they open them and check contents (even digging around in them to the bottom) to make sure its all compostable. ANd they will only take the contents of the bin. No bags left on top or by the side, and they will even remove rubbish if the bin is overfilled then put it back in after dumping the rest of the contents into the cart.
And don't you just love the street scene now everyone has 2 of these great big wheelies and the binmen won't collect from the back of the house any more? Where do you have to keep them? At the front of the house. So what were nice attractive and often rural areas are now infested with ugly bins 7 days/week. In one way the environment might be improved, but in another the environment goes straight down the drain. But hey, it's all in a good cause.
Come to our part of Dorset. East Dorset, Poole Borough and Bournemouth Borough council tax payers cannot use each others council tips ( or whatever the latest term is for them).
This has led to major queues as concil tax bills are inspected before letting you in and people living close to a tip having to travel 10 miles to 'their' tip.
This is Britain 2005, loads of spin by Government and councillors, but not even the intervention of MP's can get through the beurocratic nightmare.
This has led to major queues as concil tax bills are inspected before letting you in and people living close to a tip having to travel 10 miles to 'their' tip.
This is Britain 2005, loads of spin by Government and councillors, but not even the intervention of MP's can get through the beurocratic nightmare.
The council are just trialing a system like that round here. They pick an appropriate area (one they can get the results they want), add a new recycling bin, tell us what a success it has been then we all get the new bins. So now we have a bin for household waste (currently on trial for 2 weekly collection), a bin for glass(2 weekly), a sack for paper but not card(2 weekly), and awaiting a garden waste bin (no use as we have flagged it all)
We are (now) a household of two adults and two dogs. We recycle tins (crushed), glass (bottles, jars, etc.) and paper separately in council-provided bins. We compost all our garden waste (in two 96 cubic foot "bins", two one tonne builders bags and two leafmould heaps ... it's a large garden). We flatten cardboard packaging and recycle it by occasional trips to our local amenity site (a five mile drive and generally involving a 1/2 hour queue). I try to dump excess packaging at the point of purchase (supermarkets hate me!). We currently have a weekly collection of domestic refuse.
So with all this ... why is my wheelie-bin almost full on collection day? (And it's all our rubbish!)
Streaky
So with all this ... why is my wheelie-bin almost full on collection day? (And it's all our rubbish!)
Streaky
why all the S***e about the environment, Global warming and the like, I thought everyone knew the cause of Global warming was that the Sun is burning brighter now than at any time during the last 1,000 Years?
I recycle nothing, surely as I pay almost £100 a month Council Tax for the sole purpose of emptying my Rubbish bin thats enough?, get the lazy Council workers to do it for me I pay enough!
(rant over)
>> Edited by matchless on Sunday 25th December 00:03
I recycle nothing, surely as I pay almost £100 a month Council Tax for the sole purpose of emptying my Rubbish bin thats enough?, get the lazy Council workers to do it for me I pay enough!
(rant over)
>> Edited by matchless on Sunday 25th December 00:03
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