Shotgun certificate and speeding.
Discussion
My five-year shotgun certificate renewal inspection today.
This time round I was asked a long list of questions about how much I drink, whether I've ever hit a policeman, whether I've ever thought about killing myself. I was told that I didn't have to answer these questions but the police may consider me uncooperative if I didn't. I initially declined on the basis of privacy, but then relented so as not to be a pain in the arse for the poor chap.
However we then came onto the matter of criminal prosecutions. I said I'd had a few speeding convictions over several decades of driving and he said, "yes, one was 92 mph on the motorway. We consider you a more risky shotgun holder because of it. If you're prepared to take risks like that you might be prepared to take risks with a gun".
I must say I was a little surprised by the intrusiveness of the questions and the lecture.
what you have to remember is that for a shotgun certificate there is a presumption to issue however the Firearms licencing bods have to undertake a risk assessment.
the risk assessments seem to work on the same basis as the documented assertion that stopping vehicles which flag up on ANPR for 'adminstrative' reasons like insurance and MoT can often reveal other criminality.
if someone is consistantly running with a number of points of their driving licence for things like speeding it perhaps indicates that they have a less developed sense of risk management,
however for a FAC there is a presumption that the applicant has to prove themselves suitable
the risk assessments seem to work on the same basis as the documented assertion that stopping vehicles which flag up on ANPR for 'adminstrative' reasons like insurance and MoT can often reveal other criminality.
if someone is consistantly running with a number of points of their driving licence for things like speeding it perhaps indicates that they have a less developed sense of risk management,
however for a FAC there is a presumption that the applicant has to prove themselves suitable
Breadvan72 said:
I suppose that you could have said "I have never hit a policeman but I think that I might be just about to". On second thoughts, maybe not.
I agree. Better to keep schtum on that. After all he might be about to let you have a gun, and then you'd be able to shoot him.SK425 said:
Breadvan72 said:
I suppose that you could have said "I have never hit a policeman but I think that I might be just about to". On second thoughts, maybe not.
I agree. Better to keep schtum on that. After all he might be about to let you have a gun, and then you'd be able to shoot him.jshell said:
This topic came up a few years ago. When I last renewed FAC & SGC I was told that speeding offences point to a certain 'attitude', and too many speeding offences would count against renewal. Not necessarily prevent renewal, but would be taken into consideration.
I Googled it afterwards and found an article about some chap in Scotland who got refused renewal based on multiple motoring offences. He appealed unsuccessfully.jshell said:
This topic came up a few years ago. When I last renewed FAC & SGC I was told that speeding offences point to a certain 'attitude', and too many speeding offences would count against renewal. Not necessarily prevent renewal, but would be taken into consideration.
Presumably no armed police ever exceed a speed limit then........Jasandjules said:
jshell said:
This topic came up a few years ago. When I last renewed FAC & SGC I was told that speeding offences point to a certain 'attitude', and too many speeding offences would count against renewal. Not necessarily prevent renewal, but would be taken into consideration.
Presumably no armed police ever exceed a speed limit then........mph1977 said:
let's deal first with your dubious grip of jurisprudence, Police officers on duty have exemptions from various aspects of road traffic law.
Let's stick to the "attitude" of exceeding a speed limit alongside the proposal that the same leads to a marked lack of care in respect of firearm control shall we?mph1977 said:
Jasandjules said:
jshell said:
This topic came up a few years ago. When I last renewed FAC & SGC I was told that speeding offences point to a certain 'attitude', and too many speeding offences would count against renewal. Not necessarily prevent renewal, but would be taken into consideration.
Presumably no armed police ever exceed a speed limit then........Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff