Police RTC....motorcycle pursuit....
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Motorbike crash in police pursuit
Two people have been injured following a police pursuit in Greater Manchester on Friday night.
Police were attempting to stop a Honda motorbike in Hindley Green, Wigan.
The rider failed to pull over and sped around a left hand bend on Leigh Road before colliding with a Vauxhall Corsa coming the other way, police said.
The 21-year-old rider from Leigh suffered a broken ankle and his 13-year-old pillion passenger suffered a suspected broken leg.
Both rider and passenger were taken to Wigan Royal Infirmary for treatment and are expected to be questioned on Saturday.
Nobody else was injured and Greater Manchester Police are appealing for witnesses.
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Another 'incident' which will be used in the campaign to withdraw the police powers to pursue fleeing vehicles...
autismuk said:
He is what you don't want in the force. He should have been made an example of, not protected.
autismuk said:
Your "investigation" system would appear to be a shambles.
Looking in from outside..you might think that way..
Some of us, know otherwise...
If the police service
can make an example of an officer to show how 'above board' we all are; let me tell you; It will... As for comparison with offences; you clip someone's ear who has broken into your car and you'll get a caution (at the most)..probably nothing. The police officer who does it; will get prosecuted and will more than likely serve time in prison...
MilnerR said:
So an improvement from criminal to barely adequate?
Some might say..
What exactly is 'barely adequate'...ie: if you have a complaint against the police nowadays, it WILL be listened to and WILL be acted upon. If proved the officer WILL be disciplined. If not, nothing will happen.
Back to the topic;
This is what a BiB recently wrote on a BiB chat room;
I’m not really a driver. I don’t particularly like driving, but careering through the town centre at 60mph is quite exciting. Some police officers take the whole business of driving very seriously though, they go on courses so they can drive really quickly to catch suspects who are “making off” in vehicles.
Unfortunately for them, ACPO has decided that we are crashing too often and so they have introduced tight guidelines about how and when pursuits can take place.
Pursuits will only be allowed under the following circumstances:
1) Only suitably trained officers in suitable vehicles (ie: class 1 drivers in T5's and Omegas) are involved, dog vans are forbidden!!.
2) There are at least 3 such units in a division / territory to allow for swift use of T-Pac or stopstick. Cross county runs to help are not acceptable.
3) The weather is good.
4) The pursuit is on open road and not heading towards an urban or residential area.
What are the chances of these criteria actually being met at the time a pursuit actually starts?
However, it doesn’t stop there, ACPO are now moving towards a policy of absolutely no pursuits at all, in any circumstances, so nervous are they of the media. So if you’ve just stolen a car, or if you just don’t feel like stopping for the police because you’ve just committed some other crime, or if you’re so drunk you don’t know what you’re doing, drive on into the sunset because it’s just too dangerous for us to do anything about it.
This is what a BiB recently wrote on a BiB chat room;
I’m not really a driver. I don’t particularly like driving, but careering through the town centre at 60mph is quite exciting. Some police officers take the whole business of driving very seriously though, they go on courses so they can drive really quickly to catch suspects who are “making off” in vehicles.
Unfortunately for them, ACPO has decided that we are crashing too often and so they have introduced tight guidelines about how and when pursuits can take place.
Pursuits will only be allowed under the following circumstances:
1) Only suitably trained officers in suitable vehicles (ie: class 1 drivers in T5's and Omegas) are involved, dog vans are forbidden!!.
2) There are at least 3 such units in a division / territory to allow for swift use of T-Pac or stopstick. Cross county runs to help are not acceptable.
3) The weather is good.
4) The pursuit is on open road and not heading towards an urban or residential area.
What are the chances of these criteria actually being met at the time a pursuit actually starts?
However, it doesn’t stop there, ACPO are now moving towards a policy of absolutely no pursuits at all, in any circumstances, so nervous are they of the media. So if you’ve just stolen a car, or if you just don’t feel like stopping for the police because you’ve just committed some other crime, or if you’re so drunk you don’t know what you’re doing, drive on into the sunset because it’s just too dangerous for us to do anything about it.
autismuk said:
Might be getting threads confused. Someone suggested your internal investigations team should be got rid of. Suggest the same with ACPO.
The 'internal affairs' or Professional Standards Departments NEED to exist to give the public confidence and ensure that the 'bad apples' are dealt with.
However, the PSDs seem more interested in looking for officers who have submitted reports late, or have left their patrol cars unlocked in the car park, or who have applied handcuffs too tight..rather than really tackling anything serious..(if there is in fact anything serious to tackle)
Absolutely..then the publish them on the internal General Orders every 2 weeks, like:
An officer from A district has been fined 3 days pay for the late investigation of criminal damage.
An officer from Q district has been fined 2 days pay for failing to keep proper records of an investigation.
An officer from K district has been entered in the discipline book for not reporting damage to a police radio
etc etc..
However, when someone is found not guilty of a charge..those results are never published..
An officer from A district has been fined 3 days pay for the late investigation of criminal damage.
An officer from Q district has been fined 2 days pay for failing to keep proper records of an investigation.
An officer from K district has been entered in the discipline book for not reporting damage to a police radio
etc etc..
However, when someone is found not guilty of a charge..those results are never published..
The professional standards depts are made up of detectives above the rank of Sergeant...ie: DI, DCI etc etc...
They are seasoned vets (not animal doctors, I hasten to add)..who have seen it all and in most cases 'done it all'.....especially the stuff they now investigate..
It would be funny if careers and pensions weren't on the line...
They are seasoned vets (not animal doctors, I hasten to add)..who have seen it all and in most cases 'done it all'.....especially the stuff they now investigate..
It would be funny if careers and pensions weren't on the line...
busa_rush said:
It would be funny if careers and pensions weren't on the line...
Welcome to the real world. Why should plod be any different from the rest of us ?
I think plod know more about the 'real world' than any profession..don't you?
As for being different to the rest? Perhaps they should? After all..the public rely on the police...if the police don't police...who've you got?
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