should veganism be given "protected status"?

[irocfan]

There was a mention on the radio today that there is a move (not sure how big a one) to get veganism 'protected status' in law (similar to religion). I am curious from a legal aspect is this practical or even desirable?

[irocfan]

amusingly I was listening to a complete fruit loop on LBC last night where one of the things mentioned was that if a carnivorous animal was about to kill another animal the vegan "was morally obliged" to intervene. Now I'd pay to see that on the Serengeti!

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C70R said:

Why get so worked up? I predict this will have approximately zero actual effect on the average meat-eater...

I'd like to think that you are right - and in normal times you'd have it nailed, however....

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Breadvan72 said:

TAs we know, Islamophobes always trot out the line "Muslim is not a race" when they are being racist about Muslims (Islamophobes pretend that they hate Islam but they really just hate brown people). A simple legal fiction could have been deployed to say that Muslims should be treated as an ethnic group, just as Jews and Sikhs are.

I would tend to disagree to a point - I agree that there are an awful lot of people who use this as a cover for their vile viewpoints (much the same as anti-Zionism vs anti-Semitic), but there are also a lot of people who hold Islamophobic views who are quite happy to interact with Sikhs, Hindus, Christians from sunnier climates etc etc.

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smn159 said:

Only by racists.

Oh I dunno - Catholics priests aren't exactly flavour of the month due to the vile activities of a minority....

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C70R said:

Thought I'd drop back in to see if people had regained their senses.

First post I saw was an outright lie.

This place is mental at times.

care to say what part of my original post was a lie?

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C70R said:

irocfan said:

C70R said:

Thought I'd drop back in to see if people had regained their senses.

First post I saw was an outright lie.

This place is mental at times.

care to say what part of my original post was a lie?

Don't froth.

I wasn't referring to you.

Read the last two pages again, slowly.

Wind your neck in son. "THE FIRST POST I SAW IS A LIE" was your statement - most people start a thread on post 1 and go from there.

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C70R said:

irocfan said:

C70R said:

irocfan said:

C70R said:

Thought I'd drop back in to see if people had regained their senses.

First post I saw was an outright lie.

This place is mental at times.

care to say what part of my original post was a lie?

Don't froth.

I wasn't referring to you.

Read the last two pages again, slowly.

Wind your neck in son. "THE FIRST POST I SAW IS A LIE" was your statement - most people start a thread on post 1 and go from there.

"Wind your neck in son."


What a badass you must be.

The sentence above that literally says "drop back in", suggesting that I wasn't starting the thread from the beginning.

I'd suggest some anger management stuff, or just breathing exercises, if such an innocuous piece of text (not even directed at you) can make you so upset.

who's upset? I was just questioning, given what you said, what it was about the first post that was a lie. It was you started up the passive-aggressive B/S "don't froth". It'd have been easier just to type I wasn't referring to you - however your type can never just say "you misunderstood, I was talking about someone else". I'm glad you can revel in your superiority

Edited by irocfan on Monday 6th January 15:10

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vaud said:

C70R said:

It would be very easy, particularly for an inner-city child, to get to adulthood without any real perception of how that £3 plastic package chicken gets to the fridge in Tesco.

Or that milk isn't made in factories.

can't disagree with either of these statements. Truth be told I've read that there is a real disconnect between the nicely packaged bits and, virtually, any food and the associated dirty/smelly/gruesome bits

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C70R said:

What about those bloody Orthodox and Catholic activists/hipsters? They were onto the meat-free day thing long before the evil vegans, but they don't get the credit.

WRT to Catholics - it depends on how you count vegetarians I guess meat free friday was, in effect, fish friday. Or don't fish count as they're not cuddly?

grumbledoak said:

Why should parents who have sent their child to a non denominational school have to accept the imposition of a religion, even one day a week? Surely the vegans should open their own faith schools and allow parents to apply?

TBH this was the route I was thinking of. I do wonder what all those who are saying "what's wrong with one meat-free day?" feel about compulsory RE at school?

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jm doc said:

I eat vegetables and I eat animals. I make no distinction and I have no problem with people who prefer vegetables because they taste better or dislike the taste of animals, why would I? Unfortunately many vegans choose to label meat eating as unethical, cruel, environmentally dangerous etc etc, and more pertinently, many of them not only proclaim loudly about how virtuous they are by not eating meat, but how we are all going to have to modify our food habits because of their beliefs.

I find that totally unacceptable as do many others.

It's laughable really that they actually think it's more ethical to eat some living organisms than others, arbitrarily dividing up the organisms according to particular characteristics they imbue them with. Please, tell us all how you decide which organisms are worthy of being saved and which should be eaten?

And finally, you deny the right to life for hundreds of millions of animals. You couldn't make it up, Ethical my a**e. Fascists? Absolutely

nicely, and accurately, put. If all you want to eat is pine-nuts and glacier melt-water that's your business - please, however, don't preach to me about how you're more virtuous/moral/whatever and that I should alter my diet to suit you.

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C70R said:

You don't need to be a 'militant vegan' (if such thing exists) to have a bit of empathy for another living being.

wow - what rock have you been hiding under? Be smart indeed!

Militant vegans are, almost certainly, a tiny minority but they do exist and to try and claim otherwise is foolish/dishonest (both?) in the extreme

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C70R said:

I must say, this vegan persecution is news to me.

I work in an office with ~30% vegans (tech startup), and I've never had a single person question my decision to eat meat on the occasions I do.

I have 9-10 vegans in my immediate friendship circle, none of whom have ever questioned my decision to eat meat.

Where are you coming into contact with all these vegans with such regularity? (Remember, social media and the Daily Mail/This Morning don't count)

Given that vegans only number around 1 in 100 people in the UK, the odds that all of the militant ones seem to have descended on a handful of PH users are astonishing.

is this source 'woke' enough for you?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ve...

Edited by irocfan on Thursday 9th January 15:59

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Evanivitch said:

irocfan said:

is this 'wofe' enough for you?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ve...

A whole 20 people for 20 minutes!? I've seen bigger demonstrations for a village green. Is that what people are getting in a fuss about?

the challenge was to find somewhere where vegans were demonstrating and causing people enjoying their meat nuisance etc. A 10 second google brought that up. There was no length of time specified so please don't try and change the rules after the result..... hmmmm now THAT sounds familiar

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C70R said:

irocfan said:

is this source 'woke' enough for you?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ve...

Edited by irocfan on Thursday 9th January 15:59

I'm really sorry that you had to sit in the restaurant and suffer that. Did the manager refund your bill?

that wasn't the question you set though was it?

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jm doc said:

As soon as you say that veganism is more ethical you cast aspersions on people who eat meat. And you have posted endlessly on here about how good and righteous it is. Are you really that stupid that you don't see or understand that?

I think we know the answer to that one

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Triumph Trollomite said:

Being white middle class will soon be illegal

<sigh> I suspect this thread is done

[irocfan]

as a brief aside about holier than thou preaching...

The Smiths - Meat is Murder

[irocfan]

I do find it interesting when people say "...give us an example of militant vegans...." and when some are found it's not good enough, or "...I've never come across a militant vegan so what's your experience..." but anecdotal experiences aren't good enough. Surely not being affected by MV's is just as anecdotal as being affected by them? I've never (knowingly) met a rapist, it doesn't mean that they don't exist (despite the horrifyingly low conviction rates)


On that basis:

previous place of work a couple of vegans regularly put up the whole 'meat is murder', 'look at what a slaughterhouse really is like' posters in the staff kitchen/rest-area. Bothered? Not really, said posters were ripped down quite soon thereafter.

people I've just met have just come out and told me "I'm a vegan" - well good for you love, I eat proper food.

dating sites: "must be vegan (possibly veggie with a view to going vegan)", "will not date meat eater"

a couple of veggies in an evening class I attended many years ago "isn't it funny how people who eat animal products are being killed by those products" (the irony being said twunt was the unhealthiest looking person I'd seen)

the constant preaching (and sorry it does seem to be preaching) about how much better for the planet/your health/your morals/your sleep/ad nauseam. When Veganuary first started it merited no more than a shrug of my shoulders "meh, whatever's good for them" - now it seems to be a movement with religious fervor.

morrisy "meat is murder" - fk off you talentless tt. Your girlfriend is in a coma because she'd rather be there than have to endure your constant moralising.

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Pegscratch said:

Chuckled at all but the last line, which did prompt a wry smile but I won't admit to being tickled by it as they'll froth up over there...