Jailed for pushing a cyclist under a car

[jm doc]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshi...

Partially sighted and with cerebral palsy, pedestrian sent to jail for being on a pavement at the same time as an incompetent and dangerous cyclist.

Discuss

[jm doc]

LunarOne said:

We already are, at https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Thought it fitted well in SP&L, don't go on those other forums tbh

[jm doc]

matchmaker said:

jm doc said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshi...

Partially sighted and with cerebral palsy, pedestrian sent to jail for being on a pavement at the same time as an incompetent and dangerous cyclist.

Discuss

Incompetent and dangerous cyclist? Where does it say that about the unfortunate cyclist who was on a shared pavement?

Fell off her bike trying to pass a disabled pedestrian, and hit a car. Do you think the driver was unharmed?

Where cars and bikes share the same space, driver now always guilty if hits cyclist

[jm doc]

monthou said:

jm doc said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshi...

Partially sighted and with cerebral palsy, pedestrian sent to jail for being on a pavement at the same time as an incompetent and dangerous cyclist.

Discuss

There's some top quality victim blaming going on there.
If that was your mum pushed under a car I'd imagine you might feel differently about it.

Yep top quality victim-blaming a disabled pedestrian lawfully going about her business WALKING on a PAVEMENT. There was no pushing, there was no blocking.

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Dingu said:

jm doc said:

Where cars and bikes share the same space, driver now always guilty if hits cyclist

Demonstrably untrue in the case you have invited us to discuss

The driver in this case wasn't sharing the same space. Is that easier for you to understand?

[jm doc]

LimmerickLad said:

jfdi said:

LimmerickLad said:

Indeed - If vehicles have a duty to allow a minimum distance when passing a bike then does it not follow the bike has the same duty towards a pedestrian?

Not when the pedestrian stands in the way of the cyclist waving her arms around then pushes her into the road. The cyclist was 77, staying safe out the way of the traffic. Not some youth wheelieing down the pavement terrorising pedestrians.
She could have easily stepped to the side and allowed the cyclist to pass and everyone would have had a nice day. Totally the right verdict in my opinion.

The linked Article in the OP never said anything about a "push" that I can see.

There is a video, there is no push

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TheLurker said:

jm doc said:

There is a video, there is no push

Yes, there is. Might be half off camera, but it's pretty obvious.

No there isn't and it sums up the the atitude of posters on here who keep repeating this utterly false claim. The comments are quite clear from the reports, she was verbally aggressive and gestured. If she had pushed the cyclist the case would have been completely different and the push would have been the main part of the prosecution case.

The cyclist should never have been on the pavement, there are no signs or markings anywhere in the actual video and the reporter's piece to camera that indicate it was a shared pavement and it clearly wasn't otherwise it would have been categorically stated as such by the police and the council, neither of whom could state this. It was a complete witch hunt to attribute blame on a pedestrian feeling threatened by a cyclist riding illegally and not in full control of her bike.

[jm doc]

NikBartlett said:

Psycho pedestrian kills cyclist. Discuss.

She had cerebral palsy and was partially blind. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your abilty to judge people. Outstanding.

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J__Wood said:

Judge Sean Enright, sentencing said "the pavement was 2.4 metres wide at the relevant point, describing it as a "shared path on the ring road".

So wide enough to drive a car down and wide enough, with each taking 50 cm of shared path, to almost have the magic 1.5m of space between them.

Shame the council hadn't put a white centre line down, a small price to pay if it may have kept Auriol Grey on her 1.1 metres of shared path and Mrs Ward may have made her 80th birthday.

The judge clearly seems to have been having a difficult time. The path is barely wide enough for two people and there's a lampost where they meet, and you can see a cyclist having to swerve to get past the journalist on the path. He also bizarrely decided it was a cycleway despite having been told it wasn't apparent by the council and the police.

Similar to many of the posters trolling on here who persist in saying she was pushed when neither the police nor the prosecutor say this was the case.

So illegally riding on a narrow path, failed to slow down and take due care when meeting and trying to pass a frail partially blind pedestrian, gets a shock when unsurprisingly and rightly so the pedestrian is upset, and falls off the bike.

Obviously it's a tragedy when someone dies, but it's her own illegal and careless actions which directly result in her falling off.

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KTMsm said:

jm doc said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshi...

Partially sighted and with cerebral palsy, pedestrian sent to jail for being on a pavement at the same time as an incompetent and dangerous cyclist.

Discuss

I'd discuss how you have totally misrepresented the article

A quick look at the video shows a very unreasonable pedestrian pushing an elderly female, cyclist off the wide footpath which it seems was a "shared space" in front of a car - I completely agree with a custodial sentence

Donkey