Does anyone here miss the good old days...
Discussion
che6mw said:
ThePassenger said:
As for early carrier flight sim, possibly one of the F/A-18 Hornet sims? Or perhaps ohh... erm.. Carrier Air Wing? I think that was F-14's though, assuming I've even got the name right. Having said that Carrier Command still rocks my RTS socks even today, so simple... so complex.
Don't think it was any of those. We're talking 1993-4ish when I was playing it. This is going to bug me now till I can get home and check online. I think it was flying the Eurofighter but could be wrong.... Eurofighter 2000? does that have potential? I recall it had fog and decent looking hills and stuff but think it was largely based over water.
1993? Good graphics? Did it allow you to fly either a Eurofighter, F-22 'Superstar' or a F-117A 'Nighthawk'? If so your talking about Tactical Fighter eXperimental of TFX for short by D.I.D (who also released Eurofighter Typhoon, Epic and Inferno).
AJLintern said:
Favourite monster must be the 'Fiend' - that big hariy thing that leaps towards you while grunting and trying to rip your head off 
Yeah, was going to mention them myself. Seem to recall they were a bit of a defining moment in gaming too as they seemed to be free of the environment (in that you saw them leaping down from on high and jumping around, rather than just stuck to the floor like prior enemies).
che6mw said:
TFX .... that's the baby! As soon as my mate got that I became hooked on wanting a PC for gaming.
Picked up an original CD version on ebay last year, and Sadako got me a mint Inferno (ASF did the audio, it really goes with the space game) for Christmas last year.
Often found with DOSBox going and blatting around in either of them.
As we're talking about oddbod classics. Anyone play I-War / Independence War ?
ThePassenger said:
...got me a mint Inferno
was that the 3D sci-fi shooter???
P.S. Miss Cannon Fodder (now on my mobile phone!), Settlers (could watch forever as they plant trees and chop them down), Day of the Tentacle and Magic Carpet.
Edited by che6mw on Saturday 25th November 01:08
ThePassenger said:
che6mw said:
ThePassenger said:
As for early carrier flight sim, possibly one of the F/A-18 Hornet sims? Or perhaps ohh... erm.. Carrier Air Wing? I think that was F-14's though, assuming I've even got the name right. Having said that Carrier Command still rocks my RTS socks even today, so simple... so complex.
Don't think it was any of those. We're talking 1993-4ish when I was playing it. This is going to bug me now till I can get home and check online. I think it was flying the Eurofighter but could be wrong.... Eurofighter 2000? does that have potential? I recall it had fog and decent looking hills and stuff but think it was largely based over water.
1993? Good graphics? Did it allow you to fly either a Eurofighter, F-22 'Superstar' or a F-117A 'Nighthawk'? If so your talking about Tactical Fighter eXperimental of TFX for short by D.I.D (who also released Eurofighter Typhoon, Epic and Inferno).
F117A
Absolutely fantastic.
NOTHING has captured the atmosphere of that game.
Take off and fly for 10/20 mins (a good build up), smash a SAM or something similar to pieces (primary objective) then take out a convoy of migs (secondary objective), then in whatever state you are left in try and take as much enemy targets out before you decide to limp home.
che6mw said:
ThePassenger said:
...got me a mint Inferno
was that the 3D sci-fi shooter???
P.S. Miss Cannon Fodder (now on my mobile phone!)
War never been so much fun!
Yep, Inferno was the 3D sci-fi shooter (Epic as well, but that was in the F-29 Retaliator era). It had a comic book in it to do the scene setting that was illustrated by the guy who does Judge Dread (I think).
Rob P said:
F117A
Absolutely fantastic.
NOTHING has captured the atmosphere of that game.
Take off and fly for 10/20 mins (a good build up), smash a SAM or something similar to pieces (primary objective) then take out a convoy of migs (secondary objective), then in whatever state you are left in try and take as much enemy targets out before you decide to limp home.
I played that for many many hours.
Looking back I dont know why, it was the most boring flight sim if played properly. i.e. cruise low & slow for hours, drop a bomb , go dome same way...
If played innapropriatly (i.e. like a fighter) you'd come out ahead too, utterly wrong
Now , Speedball II, that was a game...
My gaming memories:
Speccy 48k at paul's house - can't even remeber the games he had, I was younger than 10 then.
My matge chris, who lived in the house opposite had all the latest games/machines etc - although we were ostensibly "richer" than their family they had the better toys!
Speccy 128 with disk drive!!!! Operatio Wolf, Mickey etc four colours to a game and we felt like it was incredible!
Master System
Megadrive - Altered Beast, speach in a game! Mangled, barely understandable speech but speech nonetheless! Sonic, how could any game be so quick? Final Fight - the arcade reaches your living room! Echo the dolphin - "help you poo (sic) needs you!"
Saturn - wow, things are hotting up, this is one hellavu system!
Dreamcast - Sega start to lose it, great machine but loses out.
Meanwhile:
Super NES - wow, mario kart, f-zero, sf2 etc - an astonising machine.
I had an Amiga when I was about 12 i guess. My parents bought it for me with the expectation that ti would see me through uni
- I actually had a P1 75Mhz for uni!! The amig awas awesome though - sensible soccer, lemmings, cannon fodder, mousetrap, karate kid,final fight etc etc
When I left home for Uni i got myself a gameboy. Cool, but about ten years behind the curve!
Then an N64 - micro machines, golden eye, rogue squadron.
Left uni, got a gamecube - rogue squadron 2, monkey ball, mario sunshine, the gamecube was a great machine.
Then an xbox, 2 years ago since sold. PSP currently and just debating whether to buy myself a 360 for christmas.
I do wonder though if age hasn't duller things a little. After all when we were young and bought C&VG or the Speccy mags (who remembers copying code into the machin from each mag to creat a game?!) anticipation was high. The tech was new and unheard of really, but nowadays fancy tech is quite commonplace (I'm impressed withy a lit of it but i guess the current generation has grown up with high tech) and actually quite affordable, i guess alot of kids, if not all, now have games systems whereas when i was a bit younger only a few people did.
Ramble over
Speccy 48k at paul's house - can't even remeber the games he had, I was younger than 10 then.
My matge chris, who lived in the house opposite had all the latest games/machines etc - although we were ostensibly "richer" than their family they had the better toys!
Speccy 128 with disk drive!!!! Operatio Wolf, Mickey etc four colours to a game and we felt like it was incredible!
Master System
Megadrive - Altered Beast, speach in a game! Mangled, barely understandable speech but speech nonetheless! Sonic, how could any game be so quick? Final Fight - the arcade reaches your living room! Echo the dolphin - "help you poo (sic) needs you!"
Saturn - wow, things are hotting up, this is one hellavu system!
Dreamcast - Sega start to lose it, great machine but loses out.
Meanwhile:
Super NES - wow, mario kart, f-zero, sf2 etc - an astonising machine.
I had an Amiga when I was about 12 i guess. My parents bought it for me with the expectation that ti would see me through uni
- I actually had a P1 75Mhz for uni!! The amig awas awesome though - sensible soccer, lemmings, cannon fodder, mousetrap, karate kid,final fight etc etc When I left home for Uni i got myself a gameboy. Cool, but about ten years behind the curve!
Then an N64 - micro machines, golden eye, rogue squadron.
Left uni, got a gamecube - rogue squadron 2, monkey ball, mario sunshine, the gamecube was a great machine.
Then an xbox, 2 years ago since sold. PSP currently and just debating whether to buy myself a 360 for christmas.
I do wonder though if age hasn't duller things a little. After all when we were young and bought C&VG or the Speccy mags (who remembers copying code into the machin from each mag to creat a game?!) anticipation was high. The tech was new and unheard of really, but nowadays fancy tech is quite commonplace (I'm impressed withy a lit of it but i guess the current generation has grown up with high tech) and actually quite affordable, i guess alot of kids, if not all, now have games systems whereas when i was a bit younger only a few people did.
Ramble over
Bit of an oddball one this...
Does anyone remember having a bbc (master) with the teletext adaptor and using it to 'download' games off BBC2 teletext? I remember my uncle doing it around 1985 or so and being seriously impressed, despite only being 5. The games were pretty crap but looking back from a technology point of view it's quite impressive.
My computer history:
1983 (aged 3) - Used uncle's BBC Micro, was writing simple programs by the time I was 4
1985 - Spectrum 128K +2 - Erm whats with this cassette thing taking half an hour to load? Why hasn't it got a disk drive like the BBC? Never got used
1988 - Atari 520 STFM - Now we're talking the start of the ST/Amiga wars for me
1990 (I think) - Sega GameGear bit of a let down
1991 - Uncle buys a PC. I'm strangely drawn to it despite the inferior graphics and lack of games. I think it was the DOS CLI
1992 - Convince parents I need a PC for secondary school - it has been a long and expensive journey to date. Must have been at least 5 major upgrades in there plus little tweaks. Well until yesterday when I went and bought a system overhaul only to find out that the DirectX 10 graphics card which is designed for Vista doesn't have any sodding drivers for it!!
Also had a few consoles: SNES, PS1, XBOX, XBOX360, GBA, PSP. I remember paying £50 for Smash Tennis on the SNES. I know games are expensive now but that must have been outrageous. Especially compared to F19 on the ST for £30 with that monster manual and keyboard overlay!
Does anyone remember having a bbc (master) with the teletext adaptor and using it to 'download' games off BBC2 teletext? I remember my uncle doing it around 1985 or so and being seriously impressed, despite only being 5. The games were pretty crap but looking back from a technology point of view it's quite impressive.
My computer history:
1983 (aged 3) - Used uncle's BBC Micro, was writing simple programs by the time I was 4
1985 - Spectrum 128K +2 - Erm whats with this cassette thing taking half an hour to load? Why hasn't it got a disk drive like the BBC? Never got used
1988 - Atari 520 STFM - Now we're talking the start of the ST/Amiga wars for me
1990 (I think) - Sega GameGear bit of a let down
1991 - Uncle buys a PC. I'm strangely drawn to it despite the inferior graphics and lack of games. I think it was the DOS CLI
1992 - Convince parents I need a PC for secondary school - it has been a long and expensive journey to date. Must have been at least 5 major upgrades in there plus little tweaks. Well until yesterday when I went and bought a system overhaul only to find out that the DirectX 10 graphics card which is designed for Vista doesn't have any sodding drivers for it!!
Also had a few consoles: SNES, PS1, XBOX, XBOX360, GBA, PSP. I remember paying £50 for Smash Tennis on the SNES. I know games are expensive now but that must have been outrageous. Especially compared to F19 on the ST for £30 with that monster manual and keyboard overlay!
eyebeebe said:
1988 - Atari 520 STFM - Now we're talking the start of the ST/Amiga wars for me
*chant* ATARI! ATARI!
*/chant* Used mine heavily for games, although I also went through two keyboards on mine due to all the typing I did (I wasn't perhaps as gentle with it as I should have been) and often had it round at a friends house plugged in to his synth.
I must confess to having some rose-tinted memories of my 8-bit days.
LOAD "*",8,1 heheh
I started off with a Commodore C64, and had great fun with things like The Last Ninja games, F19 Stealth Fighter, Airborne Ranger, Turrican, Commando, Spy Hunter and so on. The number of joysticks I destroyed playing Daly Thompson's Decathlon is seriously not funny. I'm amazed I didn't get RSI. For those who wish to relive these great C64 titles without the pain of a "LOAD ERROR", you can download disk & tape images and an emulator. They really are great things to look back on.
That said, I jumped straight from the C64 to PC when I went off to uni, and landed in what I feel was one of the golden ages of gaming (certainly on PC). Doom (later Quake), Command & Conquer, Duke Nukem, TIE Fighter, System Shock, Tomb Raider, Terra Nova, F1GP. Classics one and all. Although the technology has moved on substantially now (my graphics cards alone have more storage than my first hard drive) much of what used to be great in gaming and gameplay has gone, replaced by the ruthless pursuit of technology. Innovation is now practically non-existent (although there are some notable exceptions). It's a cliche to say so, but back then, games had to be fun as there was no ability to simply blow the player away with graphics.
I'm not saying today's games are necessarily "worse" than older titles, but they certainly are more unoriginal and derivative of each other. When was the last time you saw something *truly* original?
[k]
LOAD "*",8,1 heheh
I started off with a Commodore C64, and had great fun with things like The Last Ninja games, F19 Stealth Fighter, Airborne Ranger, Turrican, Commando, Spy Hunter and so on. The number of joysticks I destroyed playing Daly Thompson's Decathlon is seriously not funny. I'm amazed I didn't get RSI. For those who wish to relive these great C64 titles without the pain of a "LOAD ERROR", you can download disk & tape images and an emulator. They really are great things to look back on.
That said, I jumped straight from the C64 to PC when I went off to uni, and landed in what I feel was one of the golden ages of gaming (certainly on PC). Doom (later Quake), Command & Conquer, Duke Nukem, TIE Fighter, System Shock, Tomb Raider, Terra Nova, F1GP. Classics one and all. Although the technology has moved on substantially now (my graphics cards alone have more storage than my first hard drive) much of what used to be great in gaming and gameplay has gone, replaced by the ruthless pursuit of technology. Innovation is now practically non-existent (although there are some notable exceptions). It's a cliche to say so, but back then, games had to be fun as there was no ability to simply blow the player away with graphics.
I'm not saying today's games are necessarily "worse" than older titles, but they certainly are more unoriginal and derivative of each other. When was the last time you saw something *truly* original?
[k]
Loving this thread!
There are so many things that ring true! Particularly standing in shops ogling amiga versions of games when I still owned the speccy.
A brief run through of my memories are thus.
1983-4 Aged 4, we got a spectrum 48k. Had this for sometime and there are almost too many games to mention! Those that stole the most time were commando, test drive (with the 959 and F40), Horace goes Skiing and so many more!
1991 - Probably a bit behind the times, but an Amiga arrives on the scene. Chase HQ has found memories, and in the early days I was more a Kick-Off/KO2 man. Remember one game in particular where I ended up with a keeper and one outfield player! Despite this, I managed to score with him and also won the game!
(Although to be fair, my mate only had about 5-6 players left.)
Sensi appeared and I was hooked, a particular challenge at my school was the highest score possible in a 10 minute game. 60-70 goals against glentoran weren't unheard of!
Monkey Island and Indiana Jones games were also great.
Syndicate also whiled away a good few weekends.
Other friends had consoles, but I never progressed beyond a gameboy for quite a while, on those, road rash, sonic, madden, nfl and alien 3 are the most memorable games.
Beyond that point nostalgia starts to wear a bit thin, although Doom and Frontier were well played early days (for me) PC games.
There are so many things that ring true! Particularly standing in shops ogling amiga versions of games when I still owned the speccy.
A brief run through of my memories are thus.
1983-4 Aged 4, we got a spectrum 48k. Had this for sometime and there are almost too many games to mention! Those that stole the most time were commando, test drive (with the 959 and F40), Horace goes Skiing and so many more!
1991 - Probably a bit behind the times, but an Amiga arrives on the scene. Chase HQ has found memories, and in the early days I was more a Kick-Off/KO2 man. Remember one game in particular where I ended up with a keeper and one outfield player! Despite this, I managed to score with him and also won the game!
(Although to be fair, my mate only had about 5-6 players left.)
Sensi appeared and I was hooked, a particular challenge at my school was the highest score possible in a 10 minute game. 60-70 goals against glentoran weren't unheard of!
Monkey Island and Indiana Jones games were also great.
Syndicate also whiled away a good few weekends.
Other friends had consoles, but I never progressed beyond a gameboy for quite a while, on those, road rash, sonic, madden, nfl and alien 3 are the most memorable games.
Beyond that point nostalgia starts to wear a bit thin, although Doom and Frontier were well played early days (for me) PC games.
great choices BigAlinEmbra - especially Road Rash & Syndicate. Wasn't a big fan of Frontier (wasn't that buggy as hell??) but remember when Elite came out and I was blown away by the magnitude and concept of it. Shame noone has made a decent modern equivalent.
Just remembered a few more classics:
Streets of Rage (Megadrive)
Super Bomberman (Snes)
Parodius (Snes)
But special mention goes to Zelda (specifically Snes version - I could spend forever wandering around Hyrule collecting coins and worrying chickens).
Just remembered a few more classics:
Streets of Rage (Megadrive)
Super Bomberman (Snes)
Parodius (Snes)
But special mention goes to Zelda (specifically Snes version - I could spend forever wandering around Hyrule collecting coins and worrying chickens).
ThePassenger said:
I'll agree that Doom could be intense but more as a straight You vs 100's of enemies although it couldn't hold a dull glow stick to Unreal (I used to just leave it on the flyby screen and be impressed )
That was just so much more beautiful than anything that'd come before it. I used to play around with the cheats and spawn a couple of aliens of different breeds - they'd then fight on another. )Unreal 2 was incredibly beautiful. too. Bit short, though.
ThePassenger said:
As for early carrier flight sim, possibly one of the F/A-18 Hornet sims? Or perhaps ohh... erm.. Carrier Air Wing? I think that was F-14's though, assuming I've even got the name right. Having said that Carrier Command still rocks my RTS socks even today, so simple... so complex.
Jetfighter?
rsvmilly said:
ThePassenger said:
I'll agree that Doom could be intense but more as a straight You vs 100's of enemies although it couldn't hold a dull glow stick to Unreal (I used to just leave it on the flyby screen and be impressed )
That was just so much more beautiful than anything that'd come before it. I used to play around with the cheats and spawn a couple of aliens of different breeds - they'd then fight on another. )Unreal 2 was incredibly beautiful. too. Bit short, though.
Actually, Unreal 2 wasn't that impressive IMHO. It used the Unreal 2 engine (in an evil twist of fate the engine is ALSO called Unreal) which had been used in UT2k3 that had appeared before; so in terms of 'wow' it lost out by being second in effect. If you think about it, would you be impressed with Doom 3 if you'd just played Prey or Quake 4? IYSWIM.
What annoyed me was all the reviews of U2 which went on about the ending and scary bits; so I was rather looking forward to them... then very disappointed when it was the same tricks used in the original (to be honest when the lights thunked off in the lift I just aimed up... waited for the growling and opened fire)... besides which being abandoned in an escape pod to a slow death... TWICE... isn't original.
rsvmilly said:
ThePassenger said:
As for early carrier flight sim, possibly one of the F/A-18 Hornet sims? Or perhaps ohh... erm.. Carrier Air Wing? I think that was F-14's though, assuming I've even got the name right. Having said that Carrier Command still rocks my RTS socks even today, so simple... so complex.
Jetfighter?
That was the bugger! Was trying to remember its name but couldn't. Fortunately I saved my embarrassment by correctly guessing TFX
ThePassenger said:
rsvmilly said:
Unreal 2 was incredibly beautiful. too. Bit short, though.
Actually, Unreal 2 wasn't that impressive IMHO. It used the Unreal 2 engine (in an evil twist of fate the engine is ALSO called Unreal) which had been used in UT2k3 that had appeared before; so in terms of 'wow' it lost out by being second in effect. If you think about it, would you be impressed with Doom 3 if you'd just played Prey or Quake 4? IYSWIM.
IKWYM about Prey etc. Great visuals and some innovative touches - like not knowing which way up you are. I might have to play it through again.
So you like your FPSs? Looking around your website you must have played FEAR?
che6mw said:
great choices BigAlinEmbra - especially Road Rash & Syndicate. Wasn't a big fan of Frontier (wasn't that buggy as hell??) but remember when Elite came out and I was blown away by the magnitude and concept of it. Shame noone has made a decent modern equivalent.
Just remembered a few more classics:
Streets of Rage (Megadrive)
Super Bomberman (Snes)
Parodius (Snes)
But special mention goes to Zelda (specifically Snes version - I could spend forever wandering around Hyrule collecting coins and worrying chickens).
Just remembered a few more classics:
Streets of Rage (Megadrive)
Super Bomberman (Snes)
Parodius (Snes)
But special mention goes to Zelda (specifically Snes version - I could spend forever wandering around Hyrule collecting coins and worrying chickens).
I didn't notice Frontier being too buggy. I got a patch for it early doors in my ownership and it seemed fine. In those days I was very rarely a "buy it on the day of release" person. Probs cos I never had the money!
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