rFactor - 2009 Racing Season

[Ricepilot]

And there I was thinking I was gonna have a great couple of races last night.

Really thought that my low 47's would put me near the front.

Race 1 was really bizarre because I was disqualified as I crossed the start line. That was a shame but gave me the chance to watch the guys at the front race. Quite suprised by how many times you all binned it at some point. Thinking I'm gonna change my tactics from now on. Just pootle around at 80% and overtake you as you fall off!!!!

Race 2. Much enjoyed this one, didn't really get to race anybody. Mostly I gained places for just weaving through others accidents and at one stage was up to 5th I think. Binned it on the final hairpin on what I thought to be the final lap but lucky for me MJ decided to execute perfect hari kari in front of me thinking it was the final lap only to find myself inheriting his place. From then on for the rest of the lap I had Yogi catching me. Pleased to say I stayed in front and got 8th. Still sh*te but best result yet!

Oh and was bored this morning so edited together some highlights from the first three races.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKVaMGhexf4

There is a HD feed on that as well (prob best)

[Holst]

Pvapour said:

Marc W said:

Pvapour said:

I understand bumps when people are racing each other for position, taken out a car that is lapping you is big enough in itself, taking out a leader is the biggest no no in my book, I can quite honestly say I have never taken out anyone who is lapping me even if I was in a tussle with someone behind me I would still move over for them in a safe manner ie on the straight or hugging the inside of a corner on exit so they can pass on their racing line.

this is very evident in all 'real racing', if they do not, it is heavily frowned upon.

I dont much care for this series anyway & it is only a game when all said & done, but to say efforts were being made to get out the way & no appology given for 'not getting out the way' is pretty ste in my book, the amount of times i have heard 'i was trying to get out the way'

I guess racing when I am not really into it is wrong as my fuse is a little short, I said to Andy I'd give it one more shot as I felt I was letting the side down a bit with all the efforts people had put in, well I did that now, didn't enjoy it anymore TBO, like chatting with you guys but the cars suck for me, so leaving it for now.

Have fun chaps.

Edited by Pvapour on Monday 26th January 09:24

Taking out the leader implies doing so deliberately, which I definately did not do. I was trying to get out the way as much as possible, but I can only do so when I see you coming. The Blue flag icon by that stag was permenantly on my screen so no use at all. I can't drive around looking in my mirros or I am going to go off. As soon as I saw anyone I was literally driving off the road to avoid them, but when people were behind me on that first corner I was waiting until the next straight as if I had tried to pull off on the corner I would have had a huge accident probably colliding with several cars.

I apologised immediately, so saying there was no apology was utter rubbish. I did think that this was supposed to be for fun but apparently not.

I'm seriously considering abandoning it myself as if the rest of the races are like yesterday I won't be having any fun at all.

if you appolgised I missed it, then I'm sorry for the remark, what you said in your opening post ' sorry if people thought' was in line with not having seen the appology, as that is not an appology, but hey ho, it is for fun but having watched you time n time again accidently hit people, you always appologise admitedly

I have not said anything before because you were new & obviously struggling with the pace but last night got on my tits TBO.

Wasn't implying you did it deliberately, please dont think that, just thought your efforts for the leader were poor, be it me or whoever, this is THE car you should make every effort for, you attend races often so you should be aware of this.

Dont quit though Marc, I'm the one (if anyone) that will say something if it's on my mind & I'm not going to be around so all should be fine there are no hard feelings here, if nobody else has an issue with it then all is well

I'm quitting because it has to be (as you say) fun! for me these cars just dont offer that, that's all, I'm not quitting because of last night that's for sure.

no toys out here

Edited by Pvapour on Monday 26th January 10:56

Dont quit PV, just try to be less competitive.

Last week I got annoyed because ridds blocked me when I was lapping him and I quit and I was quite embarrased afterwards.

This week I got crashed into a few times but none of it was intentional and I enjoyed trying to fight my way back through the pack.
I also helped MJ off the track but he didnt complain about it

Looking at the replay it looks like Marc had every intention to move out of the way, but picked a slightly innapropriate place and threw it off the road into your path. He was excelent when I lapped him earlyer in the race, and when he was being lapped by others. He was also very unlucky at the start of the race where he was knocked off at the hairpin which lost him alot of time.

And as it turned out you still won the race

Ill be very dissapointed if Marc quits. It was great fun racing him in the NGAT series were he found the cars more to his liking. Im sure he will be quicker at other tracks, in the first weeks racing of this series we had a great race together.

I have been guilty of taking the racing too seriously in the past, but now im taking it less seriously im enjoying it alot more. I suggest everybody else does the same!!

As for blue flags...

Why dont we discuss how drivers should react to them?

Personally I think that lapped drivers should only be expected to move over on a straight where its safe for them to do so.
If the lapping car thinks its safe to pass elsewhere then they can, but dont expect the guy infront to drive off the track to let you past.
You might end up stuck behind somebody for half a lap but most of the time this wont be a big problem.

If we all try and stick to this we wont have as many problems with lapping and blue flags.

[FourWheelDrift]

Ricepilot said:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKVaMGhexf4

There is a HD feed on that as well (prob best)

Very good, caught the only tap I've done (on Adam 2nd race at Knockhill, not causing any accident) and my only self inflicted crash at Mallory race 1.............thanks.

[rebelstar]

Ricepilot said:

Oh and was bored this morning so edited together some highlights from the first three races.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKVaMGhexf4

There is a HD feed on that as well (prob best)

Awesome. You need to be bored every morning after the race so we can have more of these

[mj04uk]

Excellent video - it's great when someone takes the time to do this sort of thing.

Best bit for me was reliving the moment where I drove under a flying car for the second time in the same weekend !

Would you be able to send me a copy of the file and I can upload to our web server for posterity.

[Altrezia]

Holst said:

Personally I think that lapped drivers should only be expected to move over on a straight where its safe for them to do so.

Agree totally. No-one minds being held up a little bit.

Edit: That video is brilliant! Keep doing them please !

Edited by Altrezia on Monday 26th January 15:23

[Holst]

rebelstar said:

Ricepilot said:

Oh and was bored this morning so edited together some highlights from the first three races.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKVaMGhexf4

There is a HD feed on that as well (prob best)

Awesome. You need to be bored every morning after the race so we can have more of these

Thats very cool

Its nice to see the game with smoke and nice textures, I dont see any of that with my low graphcis settings.

[Pvapour]

Holst said:

rebelstar said:

Ricepilot said:

Oh and was bored this morning so edited together some highlights from the first three races.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKVaMGhexf4

There is a HD feed on that as well (prob best)

Awesome. You need to be bored every morning after the race so we can have more of these

Thats very cool

Its nice to see the game with smoke and nice textures, I dont see any of that with my low graphcis settings.

love the slow mo bits

thanks for that

Holst - i dont compete, dont care less where i come in the race, it's the journey to the finish I'm interested in agree with your summary & ideas on blue flag passing, looking forward to the TVRs.

Edited by Pvapour on Monday 26th January 16:10

[Ricepilot]

Holst said:

As for blue flags...

Why dont we discuss how drivers should react to them?

Personally I think that lapped drivers should only be expected to move over on a straight where its safe for them to do so.
If the lapping car thinks its safe to pass elsewhere then they can, but dont expect the guy infront to drive off the track to let you past.
You might end up stuck behind somebody for half a lap but most of the time this wont be a big problem.

If we all try and stick to this we wont have as many problems with lapping and blue flags.

I reckon that'd be the best solution all round. (same as track day etiquette)

Cheers for the feedback on the video. Generally feeling rough as I got a crappy cold and didn't really wanna do anything this morning. I shouldn't see a problem doing one for each race weekend, just don't expect them so quick just in case it takes me a week of being ar$ed...

Somebody will have to send the VCR files for the next two weekends as I won't be participating due to work commitments unfortuantely.

FourWheelDrift said:

Very good, caught the only tap I've done (on Adam 2nd race at Knockhill, not causing any accident) and my only self inflicted crash at Mallory race 1.............thanks.

Well at least it proves to everybody you DO make mistakes and your not some kinda supercomputer AI driver.

mj04uk said:

Would you be able to send me a copy of the file and I can upload to our web server for posterity.

Which version do you want? The HD (500mb) version or the SD (156mb) version?

[mj04uk]

Can you host the file ? for me to grab it - otherwise I'll send you some login info for the PH webshare server for you to upload.

Also on the point of Driver Etiquette, Adam and I are pulling something together to issue out to everyone, so we all know the basics.

[FourWheelDrift]

Hard and simple rules are not to make late changes of line if you are being lapped. Either stay on line if it's in a tricky corner then allow the car to pass on the next straight while staying on line, perhaps lifting slightly. Or if you see them earlier enough, move off line clearly so that the lapping car stays on the racing line to pass.

And never, never, never say "Go right" or "Go left" to me because I turned in car chat off in the PLR

I occasionally manage to reach the T key on a straight and press TY for Thank you but if I'm busy I hope you understand

[_dobbo_]

Ever since I took out FWD one time when he was leading and lapping me, I'm super careful when being passed.

It's actually easier if you are a bit faster because you can choose the moment to let them pass you rather than if you are too slow the leaders come up on you too quickly for you to react.

Been speccing up a new PC today but struggling to spend less than £750 and there's a credit crunch on don't ya know.

[FourWheelDrift]

_dobbo_ said:

Ever since I took out FWD one time when he was leading and lapping me, I'm super careful when being passed.

Yes but you were pissed at the time.

[Holst]

_dobbo_ said:

Ever since I took out FWD one time when he was leading and lapping me, I'm super careful when being passed.

It's actually easier if you are a bit faster because you can choose the moment to let them pass you rather than if you are too slow the leaders come up on you too quickly for you to react.

Been speccing up a new PC today but struggling to spend less than £750 and there's a credit crunch on don't ya know.

I think if your really off the pace then the faster guys should be able to drive around you without you having to make any real effort to let them past.

The worst moment for me was crashing several times at the beginning of a race and somebody caught me up to lap, so I let them past. I then thought I was faster so unlapped myself.. only to find I couldnt pull away and had to let them past again. I can remember who it was that I harassed during that race.. probably MJ if im going to crash into somebody it seems to always be MJ.

I dont think ive ever knocked out a leader when they were lapping me.. I might have when we were racing GTL and I was pretty rubbish. I think Ive crashed into most of you at some point when racing however

I did wonder if turning damage on might make the racing cleaner.. it certainly focused the mind when racing GTL, although it did lead to some unfairness when contact was made.

[AJLintern]

I seem to remember you can get black flagged if you don't obey the blue flags on rFactor? Is this correct?

[Holst]

AJLintern said:

I seem to remember you can get black flagged if you don't obey the blue flags on rFactor? Is this correct?

I dont think we have that set on the server.

Ridds blocked me for quite afew laps and he had blue flag showing the entire time and didnt get any penalty.

Even if you can enable this feature I wouldnt want to turn it on.. people should let lapping cars past because they know its the right thing, not just to avoid a penalty.

Also if I had been stuck on the curb for longer in race one FWD could have caught me up to lap, but as we were doing an identical pace (when I was on the track) I might have been able to lap quickly enough to keep him behind me... he might also have prefered to keep me infront rather than have me directly behind him.. where I could spin into the back of him at any moment :P

[mj04uk]

Ok, just about to issue out the Driving Etiquette, take a minute to read - then delete or if you've been particularly unfriendly to the environment take your printed copy and recycle it

Let move on.

Post up your times for Snetterton - long gears and low wing settings I think are in order

Edited by mj04uk on Tuesday 27th January 09:03

[Altrezia]

Not had a chance to have a go at Snet yet, but my Gameracer seat thing arrived yesterday, much better than a wooden seat and tiny wobble-o-matic ikea table

[mj04uk]

Altrezia said:

Not had a chance to have a go at Snet yet, but my Gameracer seat thing arrived yesterday, much better than a wooden seat and tiny wobble-o-matic ikea table

nice, I've got a pretty decent set-up - still does not make me any quicker though

[Holst]

mj04uk said:

Ok, just about to issue out the Driving Etiquette, take a minute to read - then delete or if you've been particularly unfriendly to the environment take your printed copy and recycle it

Let move on.

Post up your times for Snetterton - long gears and low wing settings I think are in order

Edited by mj04uk on Tuesday 27th January 09:03

Nice one with the driving etiquette, reading it is easy putting it into practice might be a lttle harder but I will do my best.

I did 5 laps of snetterton with the default setup and I think my best was 1.10

I expect 1.09 or maybe 1.08 to be possible with a bit more practice.

With these cars I find that low wing makes them corner so badly that it slows me down, even if you gain a few MPH on the straight. Faster corner exit speed negates this effect, so I think I will be sticking to standard wing levels, but I will have a play and see if I can gain any time by messing with the wing.