PS4 GTA V Online (Vol 2)
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vsonix said:
Agreed. The way it's sneaking in over time is destroying the whole GTA5 world as well. It totally breaks the immersion.
Although, I could see a GTA game working well enough if it was set in a kind of alternate timeline or 30 years in the future and the scenery and other vehicles all were in tune with that. For example, a 'Blood Dragon' type retro-futurist 1980s world, or a Blade Runner/Fifth Element type thing where the lower levels of the city are all smog and crime and the rich people all live in the highest towers above the smog and have 'skyways' and rarely if ever venture into the seething cesspools of humanity beneath.
Stuff like the Deluxo and Oppressor isn't bad as such but it'd be nice if there was some sort of story behind it all. Just shoving it all into the GTA 5 world and expecting people to take it at face value doesn't really work at all. Ultimately having hovering anti-grav cars and bikes renders all the jets and helicopters pointless. Why would those technologies exist alongside each other, and why would average street criminals have access to them when the government and military are still plodding round in 'analogue' tanks and choppers? It's as if they've revealed their hands too early - a lot of this content would have been great in a new game but if GTA6 comes out and it's set in a world where all this stuff belongs and fits in, we'll be all 'meh' because we'll have seen it already and the surprise is spoiled. As a lot of YouTubers point out, GTA appears to be moving in the same direction as Saints Row, and look where that franchise has ended up. One of the reasons GTA is popular is because it's based in the semi-real world, or at least the world of popular crime movies, iconic eras in iconic cities etc etc.
And I thought Challenger was overthinking it Although, I could see a GTA game working well enough if it was set in a kind of alternate timeline or 30 years in the future and the scenery and other vehicles all were in tune with that. For example, a 'Blood Dragon' type retro-futurist 1980s world, or a Blade Runner/Fifth Element type thing where the lower levels of the city are all smog and crime and the rich people all live in the highest towers above the smog and have 'skyways' and rarely if ever venture into the seething cesspools of humanity beneath.
Stuff like the Deluxo and Oppressor isn't bad as such but it'd be nice if there was some sort of story behind it all. Just shoving it all into the GTA 5 world and expecting people to take it at face value doesn't really work at all. Ultimately having hovering anti-grav cars and bikes renders all the jets and helicopters pointless. Why would those technologies exist alongside each other, and why would average street criminals have access to them when the government and military are still plodding round in 'analogue' tanks and choppers? It's as if they've revealed their hands too early - a lot of this content would have been great in a new game but if GTA6 comes out and it's set in a world where all this stuff belongs and fits in, we'll be all 'meh' because we'll have seen it already and the surprise is spoiled. As a lot of YouTubers point out, GTA appears to be moving in the same direction as Saints Row, and look where that franchise has ended up. One of the reasons GTA is popular is because it's based in the semi-real world, or at least the world of popular crime movies, iconic eras in iconic cities etc etc.
GET OUT!!ZedLeg said:
And I thought Challenger was overthinking it
Maybe overthinking, but I've been playing GTA games since the very first top-down one, so for much of my teens and through my 'adult' life. I love the franchise - in fact I'd go so far as to say it's my favourite game series and it pains me to see it go down the pan because of greed issues and short-termism on the part of R$ and their publishers sucking all the joy out of it out of the experience because they've stumbled onto a successful cash-making formula and don't care about the game any more. We see companies like Activision and EA turn their greatest assets from great games into dross over the years, R$ were doing well at keeping it real but it looks to me like they're going the same way.Not really though, GTA:O runs alongside GTA 5 which was a great game in the tradition of GTA. GTA:O doesn’t bear any relation to other GTA games, no strong story or character arc for a start.
It’s a toybox, the immersion comes from making the stuff you acquire yours.
People complain that we never got any single player dlc, did the game need it?
It was a great, complete game out of the box which is a rare thing these days. Online was a free add on that they’ve gone onto support for five years. If they want to fund that support with shark cards that’s up to them.
Now they may EA the s
t out of RDR2 and make me look like an idiot but I’d like to think they are still a single player game maker.
It’s a toybox, the immersion comes from making the stuff you acquire yours.
People complain that we never got any single player dlc, did the game need it?
It was a great, complete game out of the box which is a rare thing these days. Online was a free add on that they’ve gone onto support for five years. If they want to fund that support with shark cards that’s up to them.
Now they may EA the s
t out of RDR2 and make me look like an idiot but I’d like to think they are still a single player game maker.I have to admit that the whole idea of flying cars seemed stupid at first but the Deluxo is deliberately slower when flying than driving - and obviously slower than any worthwhile aircraft. I quite like the way it drives, and learning to stay on the ground to use the fairly decent straight line speed where possible rather than flying.
I certainly don’t see the point in shunning it when others have it. How do you find out its weak points unless you use it?
I certainly don’t see the point in shunning it when others have it. How do you find out its weak points unless you use it?
Joyrider1 said:
I've found a race playlist for tonight - Never raced any of the tracks before so no idea what it's like, but it's been put together by that WHRE crew that did all those fancy tracks like the one with the dam etc so hopefully it'll be good
we should also race cars we've never raced before... 1 make ? Actually scrap that, just tried the playlist and apart from one outstanding track the rest we’re st. Have added that track to my old ‘Best of’ playlist so can do that? Don’t mind what cars we do them in so long as I don’t have to sort through my 42 Elegy’s
t. Have added that track to my old ‘Best of’ playlist so can do that? Don’t mind what cars we do them in so long as I don’t have to sort through my 42 Elegy’s Edited by Joyrider1 on Sunday 19th August 19:11
Lynchie999 said:
Joyrider1 said:
I've found a race playlist for tonight - Never raced any of the tracks before so no idea what it's like, but it's been put together by that WHRE crew that did all those fancy tracks like the one with the dam etc so hopefully it'll be good
we should also race cars we've never raced before... 1 make ? challenger001 said:
Mostly it's a principle thing. Again the griefers ....
I'd really like to have lobbies where Deluxo's weren't allowed - I have never ever seen one being used for anything but griefing. I don't have an issue with griefing if it needs some skill (for example try griefing in a Volatol - those kills are hard earned (but fun)), but Deluxos. Hydras etc are just a pain in the arse.
Deluxos are nothing compared to these new flying jet bikes. They are impossible to fight against.
They fly past quicker than anything (I’ve seen them cover the entire length of the map in about a minute), impossible to take out with an explosive sniper rifle and have counter measures for homing rockets.
I normally spend my time in GTA grieving the griefers. If I see anyone picking on other players then I take it upon myself to spoil their fun but when they are on one of these things, it’s a one sided battle. They need nerfing.
They fly past quicker than anything (I’ve seen them cover the entire length of the map in about a minute), impossible to take out with an explosive sniper rifle and have counter measures for homing rockets.
I normally spend my time in GTA grieving the griefers. If I see anyone picking on other players then I take it upon myself to spoil their fun but when they are on one of these things, it’s a one sided battle. They need nerfing.
ZedLeg said:
People complain that we never got any single player dlc, did the game need it?
I've been playing GTAV since it came out on PS3 so yes, what's needed is either single-player DLC like Lost & Damned/Gay Tony or a sequel. Playing the same story over and over makes the actual missions seem really dull, and this is the problem with online as it is. Every major DLC for online is just a reskinned way of making you do fetch quests with hardly any effort paid to dressing them up in interesting dialogue or plot ideas, with a few overpriced drip feed cars to give you a reason to grind money. That mission where you have to go and get Dixon is a prime example of this. Fork over 100,000 GTA$ in order to go pick up some guy who doesn't say much then go chase some blokes on a motorbike who nicked his rucksack. Big whoop. I know it sounds like I'm hating on online - I'm not - it has the potential to be fun when you play it as it should be played i.e. with friends doing the various co-op stuff. It's the people you play with that make it fun, rather than the game itself. Hence why playing Online on your own just to try and get money to buy cars to modify and race in is really bloody dull. The problem is that a lot of us who would rather be playing new plot-based missions are trying to get that out of the DLC that's being brought to Online - and it comes up short almost every time. What gets me is how R$ have basically decided that now they have a goose that's plopping out golden eggs, that they can just sit back, chill, do the bare minimum to keep the goose alive and laying and are probably just lounging around in hammocks on a beach in the Seychelles, drinking girlie cocktails with sparklers and umbrellas in and counting their money.
vsonix said:
What gets me is how R$ have basically decided that now they have a goose that's plopping out golden eggs, that they can just sit back, chill, do the bare minimum to keep the goose alive and laying and are probably just lounging around in hammocks on a beach in the Seychelles, drinking girlie cocktails with sparklers and umbrellas in and counting their money.
To be fair though, this game is almost 6 years old - how many other games keep delivering free updates of this kind for that long? It seems that many people (especially if you look at the GTA forums) seem to hate on R* for not giving much in the way of new stuff but they’ve more than delivered in my opinion. It’s not only been the odd fetch/carry mission and new cars that have been delivered - what about the heists? That’s was a lot of stuff to give out for nothing...I agree with needing to play with friends/crew to keep it interesting thoughJoyrider1 said:
To be fair though, this game is almost 6 years old - how many other games keep delivering free updates of this kind for that long? It seems that many people (especially if you look at the GTA forums) seem to hate on R* for not giving much in the way of new stuff but they’ve more than delivered in my opinion. It’s not only been the odd fetch/carry mission and new cars that have been delivered - what about the heists? That’s was a lot of stuff to give out for nothing...I agree with needing to play with friends/crew to keep it interesting though
Well, that's the point, I'm not criticising them for delivering 'free' content for online. The reason they're still pumping out the online stuff is it's making them lots and lots of money still. It's only really 'free' if you glitch money or grind for many hours to play. It's still mostly 'free to play, pay to win'. Look at it the other way - perhaps they're keeping a six year old game alive beyond its natural lifespan because they know that as long as they keep drip-feeding tidbits of content, shark cards will still sell. They only people who get the content for 'nothing' are the ones who play the game for whole days at a time. Everyone else is either paying to unlock it with shark cards, or cheating the system. If they didn't keep dropping content people would have stopped playing GTAO ages ago. They're doing it to make money not because of being altruistic. They've realised they can keep the money rolling in by making relatively little effort. OK, heists are pretty good and have made Rockstar plenty of money but let's not be naive - they will have cost far less in terms of production costs, voice acting etc etc than something like the Lost & Damned/Gay Tony 'double bill' would have done. And they know that if they did drop a substantial single player refresh (let's call it GTA 5.5 or whatever) that it would take away from sales of shark cards for online - otherwise they'd have done it by now. Let's not forget that the best GTA title ever, San Andreas, was basically an evolution of GTA3. They pulled out all the stops and made an epic title, the magnificence of which made GTA3 and Vice City seem feeble by comparison. Basing L&D/GT in the exact same city as GTA4 was less ambitious than San Andreas but was still fun to play through. But GTA5 is never going to get that kink of 'Lifecycle Impulse' to coin a BMW term, and it's all the poorer for it. Thing is I probably wouldn't care so much if we were allowed all the various DLC cars in GTA5 to buy with our stock market earnings. In fact they even started off letting us have the early DLC (i.e. 'Not a Hipster', 'Ill-Gotten Gains') cars in Single Player until they realised it wasn't going to make them the same amount of cash.
I'd be perfectly happy just dicking around on my own in GTA5 taking cars down to Bennys and driving them round till they explode in a ball of flames. Rockstar know that there are a lot of people like me out there and so they deliberately keep that material away from us to force us to keep coming back to Online. And that's why I'm salty about it.
Edited by vsonix on Monday 20th August 17:10
They have said GTA is unfortunately stuck in a rut simply due to the limitations of the engine it was build around, because that engine was designed for the PS3, and would need rebuilding from the ground Up for PS4.
I’m sure behinds the scenes they are working on a new one, and that is why I’m keen to see how RDR2 looks and performs, because that will give an indication of how the next GTA will probably be.
I’ll be more than happy to keep playing 5 as I am until a new one appears
I’m sure behinds the scenes they are working on a new one, and that is why I’m keen to see how RDR2 looks and performs, because that will give an indication of how the next GTA will probably be.
I’ll be more than happy to keep playing 5 as I am until a new one appears
This video from Broughy has been out for over a week but I only noticed it this morning: how to race multiple classes together. https://youtu.be/QJ8Nzn9yx-Q
It works on PS4, it's a glitch of a sort, and it's something we could relatively easily achieve if we wanted to
It works on PS4, it's a glitch of a sort, and it's something we could relatively easily achieve if we wanted to
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