Creaking rear brakes
Discussion
Hi guys and girls
Video here... https://youtu.be/YU4vc0a_qfg
The nitty gritty..
I have a creaking under light braking at medium slow speeds as shown in the video. It is pretty loud. Doesn't appear under heavy braking but will creak as you lift off pressure on the pedal.
It also creaks with the handbrake on when you rock the car. Handbrake off, no creak.
Last year this problem was here and I replaced rear discs and pads. It went away completely until recently and it's back with a vengeance.
My thinking is that new discs and pads and grease holding pads in many it was all working nicely and smoothly, but ultimately my calipers are sticky and a bit old and tired and do this problem comes back??
I'm thinking of I replace the whole lot, calipers and all out has to fix this??
Anyone have any ideas??
Video here... https://youtu.be/YU4vc0a_qfg
The nitty gritty..
I have a creaking under light braking at medium slow speeds as shown in the video. It is pretty loud. Doesn't appear under heavy braking but will creak as you lift off pressure on the pedal.
It also creaks with the handbrake on when you rock the car. Handbrake off, no creak.
Last year this problem was here and I replaced rear discs and pads. It went away completely until recently and it's back with a vengeance.
My thinking is that new discs and pads and grease holding pads in many it was all working nicely and smoothly, but ultimately my calipers are sticky and a bit old and tired and do this problem comes back??
I'm thinking of I replace the whole lot, calipers and all out has to fix this??
Anyone have any ideas??
you need to take it in small steps to identify the problem
first jack the rear of the car up and spin the wheel by hand, can you hear the noise. If you can it's possibly warped discs, which could occur if the callipers are sticky and are leaving the pads against the discs as the car is on the move.
It could be a wheel bearing
It could be a spring.
Noises have a habit of not being from where you think they are from as they resonate around the cabin, so check the front as well.
first jack the rear of the car up and spin the wheel by hand, can you hear the noise. If you can it's possibly warped discs, which could occur if the callipers are sticky and are leaving the pads against the discs as the car is on the move.
It could be a wheel bearing
It could be a spring.
Noises have a habit of not being from where you think they are from as they resonate around the cabin, so check the front as well.
If the creaking is repeatable with the car completely stationary just coming on and off the brake then chances are it’s either something sticky in the abutment area (ie wear plates) or more likely worn out piston seals. Sliders don’t tend to creak.
If it only happens as the suspension moves, even when releasing the brakes at a standstill and allowing the car to effectively release from the load of braking and its anti-dive geometry, then it’s bushes. Easiest and most likely ones to start with would be to grease the ARB bushes.
Handbrake makes me think the latter of the two main options
If it only happens as the suspension moves, even when releasing the brakes at a standstill and allowing the car to effectively release from the load of braking and its anti-dive geometry, then it’s bushes. Easiest and most likely ones to start with would be to grease the ARB bushes.
Handbrake makes me think the latter of the two main options
The Wookie said:
If the creaking is repeatable with the car completely stationary just coming on and off the brake then chances are it’s either something sticky in the abutment area (ie wear plates) or more likely worn out piston seals. Sliders don’t tend to creak.
No applying and re applying the brake when stationary doesn't cause the noiseThe Wookie said:
If it only happens as the suspension moves, even when releasing the brakes at a standstill and allowing the car to effectively release from the load of braking and its anti-dive geometry, then it’s bushes. Easiest and most likely ones to start with would be to grease the ARB bushes.
Handbrake makes me think the latter of the two main options
You get the noise in the video in any braking, and will do it on a dead smooth road with a consistent creak-creak-creak as per video from 30mph right down to a standstill. So it isn't affected my bumps in the road surface. Handbrake makes me think the latter of the two main options
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
you need to take it in small steps to identify the problem
first jack the rear of the car up and spin the wheel by hand, can you hear the noise. If you can it's possibly warped discs, which could occur if the callipers are sticky and are leaving the pads against the discs as the car is on the move.
It could be a wheel bearing
It could be a spring.
Noises have a habit of not being from where you think they are from as they resonate around the cabin, so check the front as well.
The wheel bearings aren't that old, they were all replaced not that long ago, as were the rear springs. first jack the rear of the car up and spin the wheel by hand, can you hear the noise. If you can it's possibly warped discs, which could occur if the callipers are sticky and are leaving the pads against the discs as the car is on the move.
It could be a wheel bearing
It could be a spring.
Noises have a habit of not being from where you think they are from as they resonate around the cabin, so check the front as well.
I get what you say about noise travel but it is 100% coming from the rear of the car.
Warped discs and interesting point, although would that cause a creak? I've warped from discs before and that just caused horrible juddering braking from speed but no noise.
The issue is suspension, not brakes.
When the hand brake is on you say if you rock the car the noise appears.
Assuming the brakes/wheel are actually holding, that is.
You need to have someone rock the car to replicate the noise while feeling various suspension joints in the area to feel the vibrations caused by the noise.
When the hand brake is on you say if you rock the car the noise appears.
Assuming the brakes/wheel are actually holding, that is.
You need to have someone rock the car to replicate the noise while feeling various suspension joints in the area to feel the vibrations caused by the noise.
TheBALDpuma said:
So the creaking in the video is a constant creak creak creak under steady, smooth, light braking?
The problem also went away for nearly a year after replacing pads and discs.
From your original postThe problem also went away for nearly a year after replacing pads and discs.
It also creaks with the handbrake on when you rock the car. Handbrake off, no creak.
Which suggests it is not the brakes, but the movement against the suspension. eta Or the handbrake cables, linkage system
TheBALDpuma said:
voram said:
Weight transfer.
So the creaking in the video is a constant creak creak creak under steady, smooth, light braking?The problem also went away for nearly a year after replacing pads and discs.
(Try it on a squeaky house door, move it very slowly & it creaks, move it very fast & it doesn't)
During the change of pads/discs they undid/re-did up/greased/moved something which cured it temporarily.
Edited by E-bmw on Monday 19th July 09:47
I see where you're coming from but I'm still really sceptical...
The door analogy... This would just create one long slow creak from suspension as the weight transferred. Not a repetitive creak creak creak that slows with wheel speed slowing.
It also doesn't explain the creak when rocking with handbrake on, that disappears when you release the brake.
I understand replacing discs/pads and maybe loosened/tightened something else. But What? And really what are the odds?
I'll get the garage to really look at everything though.
The door analogy... This would just create one long slow creak from suspension as the weight transferred. Not a repetitive creak creak creak that slows with wheel speed slowing.
It also doesn't explain the creak when rocking with handbrake on, that disappears when you release the brake.
I understand replacing discs/pads and maybe loosened/tightened something else. But What? And really what are the odds?
I'll get the garage to really look at everything though.
TheBALDpuma said:
It also doesn't explain the creak when rocking with handbrake on,
Yes it does. When the handbrake is on one end of the car is fixed and the other end is still free to move. Rock the car and it will creak as the weight transfers around and the suspension moves a fraction.Look mate, you are asking for advice, there are several people on here telling you exactly the same thing, and many have even more than my (part time) 30+ years of experience of working on cars.
If you are going to ignore it all then just go to a garage & get them to load the parts cannon & put it on maximum speed & then empty your wallet repeatedly.
If not then try listening & you will be MUCH better off at the end of it all.
Bye.
If you are going to ignore it all then just go to a garage & get them to load the parts cannon & put it on maximum speed & then empty your wallet repeatedly.
If not then try listening & you will be MUCH better off at the end of it all.
Bye.
E-bmw said:
Look mate, you are asking for advice, there are several people on here telling you exactly the same thing, and many have even more than my (part time) 30+ years of experience of working on cars.
If you are going to ignore it all then just go to a garage & get them to load the parts cannon & put it on maximum speed & then empty your wallet repeatedly.
If not then try listening & you will be MUCH better off at the end of it all.
Bye.
It's going to a garage anyway I just want to go on with an idea of what to tell them to address - I'm not handy enough to do much short of an oil change.If you are going to ignore it all then just go to a garage & get them to load the parts cannon & put it on maximum speed & then empty your wallet repeatedly.
If not then try listening & you will be MUCH better off at the end of it all.
Bye.
And I am listening but what I'm trying to get out of you lot is an explanation of how what you think is wrong creates the sound I'm hearing, because I can't get my head around it.
No need for attitude either, pal.
TheBALDpuma said:
E-bmw said:
Look mate, you are asking for advice, there are several people on here telling you exactly the same thing, and many have even more than my (part time) 30+ years of experience of working on cars.
If you are going to ignore it all then just go to a garage & get them to load the parts cannon & put it on maximum speed & then empty your wallet repeatedly.
If not then try listening & you will be MUCH better off at the end of it all.
Bye.
It's going to a garage anyway I just want to go on with an idea of what to tell them to address - I'm not handy enough to do much short of an oil change.If you are going to ignore it all then just go to a garage & get them to load the parts cannon & put it on maximum speed & then empty your wallet repeatedly.
If not then try listening & you will be MUCH better off at the end of it all.
Bye.
And I am listening but what I'm trying to get out of you lot is an explanation of how what you think is wrong creates the sound I'm hearing, because I can't get my head around it.
No need for attitude either, pal.
How u doing said:
No harm in having an understanding of what's involved. But if you're going to a garage, asking them to diagnose and fix should give you a satisfactory result.
You'd have thought so but so far the discs and pads have been replaced, fixing it temporarily.The handbrake cables have been replaced and adjusted. Which didn't help.
A rear shock was shot, so I've replaced both of those on the promise that that was the cause, which it wasn't.
It's been to a couple of places now, both of whom I rate and have used for years and it's proving hard to pin down.
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