BBC1 Tonight at 9 - To Kill a Burglar: The Tony Martin Story
Discussion
hammerwerfer said:
Were the intruders armed with shotguns?
So, you want a level playing field, eh? I've got news for you. It is not a game.
Any dirtball who enters another's house uninvited deserves whatever he gets, up to and including a lethal dose of lead poisoning!
Thanks for the news, I know it's not a game.
I was just asking if they were armed. I don't know.
Yugguy said:
I think that's one of those comparisons that Einon would have a term for that I can't remember.
I think you're thinking of "false analogy" or something like that...but it's not really one of those, as I'll explain. As I said, if someone is running away from you and you shoot them in the back, it can hardly be considered self defence, can it? If your objective is to protect your home, and the person who is violating your home is running out of it, if you let them leave then you have protected your home. In that situation, doing any more than that is what is known as a "crime". So shooting someone in the back and raping someone can be considered roughly analogous - ie. unnecessary for the purposes of protecting your home.
Reading this thread, it seems that most people consider breaking and entering to mean that the house owner is granted carte blanche to commit whatever crime they themselves see fit. So, as an analogy, if shooting someone in the back as they are running out of your house is OK, why wouldn't raping them be OK? Please explain.
NB I don't think that burglars should be given sympathy, but at the same time I don't think anyone should ever have their human rights suspended. So to do would reduce us to the level of animals.
anonymous said:
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hang on, hang on. Mr. Jenkins has gone through 3 trials, and has been aquitted of his foster daughters murder. while not up to speed on the case, i feel theres something fishy with his ex wife's behavour that to me throws doubt on his guilt.
end of the day he was found innocent... it is your opinion that he is guilty, and mine that theres doubt to his guilt, therefore innocent - and the killer hasnt been charged.
to what your saying... the bloke whoes charged of rape - found guilty, and then on new evidence is aquitted... that man is still tarred with being convicted of rape - even tho he has been aquitted because of new evidence.
Yugguy said:
well you could say shooting in the back was self-defence as one of them feckers certainly won't be coming back to burgle again.
So you're advocating the death penalty for burglary now?
You could say the same about rape as well, by the way, as I doubt a burglar who has been sexually assaulted would go back to that house.
Fortunately for those of us who like our blood to remain on the inside of our bodies, though, the law doesn't think that shooting someone in the back can be considered self defence.
Keeping what the law is and what your opinion on what the law should be apart, please explain why shooting a fleeing burglar in the back is different to raping them.
Furyblade_Lee said:
Talking of "soft" prisons, how hard can it be to have a DRUG FREE prison? Feck me, anything can be had in there. I would take prisoners in, force them to cold turkey squirming in their own shit and vomit and get the millitary to run security.
I always marvel at the fact that the inmates in the Irish prisons have access to seemingly unlimited quantities of drugs.
Ecks Ridgehead said:
well you could say shooting in the back was self-defence as one of them feckers certainly won't be coming back to burgle again.
So you're advocating the death penalty for burglary now?
You could say the same about rape as well, by the way, as I doubt a burglar who has been sexually assaulted would go back to that house.
Fortunately for those of us who like our blood to remain on the inside of our bodies, though, the law doesn't think that shooting someone in the back can be considered self defence.
Keeping what the law is and what your opinion on what the law should be apart, please explain why shooting a fleeing burglar in the back is different to raping them.
I'd rather shoot a burglar than bum him to death?
Yugguy said:
Keeping what the law is and what your opinion on what the law should be apart, please explain why shooting a fleeing burglar in the back is different to raping them.
I'd rather shoot a burglar than bum him to death?
So it's just a matter of personal preference...
You are saying that the only reason you wouldn't rape a burglar is because you, personally, don't want to. Which implies that you have no objection to people raping burglars if they break into your house.
Read that back to yourself. Does it sound like the kind of thing that should be going on in a modern, civilised society?
Yugguy said:
We don't live in a civilised society. If we did then shaven-headed thugs wouldn't burgle my father's house in broad daylight. I have NO sympathy for them.
And we never will live in a civilised society all the while people advocate vigilante bum-rape justice.
Do you really think that the civilised lowering themselves to the same level as the uncivilised is going to improve society?
Tony Martin should be seen as a hero by all the self respecting Home owners in this country he did what we should all do Most people struggle to buy their homes and an english mans home is his castle so why should we live in fear that one day some scumbag might come and rob you, threaten you and your family ?
I for one dont want my hard earnd tax to be wasted locking scum away from socity.
SHOOT THEM, HANG THEM
I for one dont want my hard earnd tax to be wasted locking scum away from socity.
SHOOT THEM, HANG THEM
IS200RJR said:
Tony Martin should be seen as a hero by all the self respecting Home owners in this country he did what we should all do Most people struggle to buy their homes and an english mans home is his castle so why should we live in fear that one day some scumbag might come and rob you, threaten you and your family ?
I for one dont want my hard earnd tax to be wasted locking scum away from socity.
SHOOT THEM, HANG THEM
Ah, Mr Himmler! Welcome to the debate.
The arrived armed with a 12" pry bar. It is part of the housebreakers tools that the police found. If they had attacked Martin with this he would have been within his rights to protect himself (albiet with an unlawfully owned weapon). However if they had attacked him with this he would probably have been dead.
I am totally behind him.
Fearon made an intersting comment that Barras was "a good kid, always with a smile, although the people he terrorised don't think that". That sums up the depths to which these people exist.
They were happy to rob, terrorise, and cause mayhem in peoples live. Tough Sh*t, mayhem found them!
I went to the pub after the programme and we had a drink to Tony Martin. may there be more like him!
I am totally behind him.
Fearon made an intersting comment that Barras was "a good kid, always with a smile, although the people he terrorised don't think that". That sums up the depths to which these people exist.
They were happy to rob, terrorise, and cause mayhem in peoples live. Tough Sh*t, mayhem found them!
I went to the pub after the programme and we had a drink to Tony Martin. may there be more like him!
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