Training courses + work time sheets
Discussion
Quick work question. In April I am off to do a fantastic training course, a real opportunity which I am grateful for work to send me on. The rub being the course starts on a Sunday (easter bank holiday) and is followed by 5 days of 14 hour training.
Now I am thankful for the training but I work flexi, that is to say any hours beyond my 7 hours per day I can claim as accrued and save them for flexi days.
Obviously this normally works out as a day in lieu each month with the rest being banked towards the next month so I can take 1 day per month as flexi and use the rest to manage my daily finish time as needed.
Now for this course I am effectively going to work an extra week in just one week. They are letting me take a day off due to the bank holiday but should I be able to claim the extra 7 hours per day towards my flexi total?
Part of me says yes I should but the other half of me says its training I should be thankful for (despite it being work related)
What says you?
Now I am thankful for the training but I work flexi, that is to say any hours beyond my 7 hours per day I can claim as accrued and save them for flexi days.
Obviously this normally works out as a day in lieu each month with the rest being banked towards the next month so I can take 1 day per month as flexi and use the rest to manage my daily finish time as needed.
Now for this course I am effectively going to work an extra week in just one week. They are letting me take a day off due to the bank holiday but should I be able to claim the extra 7 hours per day towards my flexi total?
Part of me says yes I should but the other half of me says its training I should be thankful for (despite it being work related)
What says you?
I hate flexi time and paid overtime, I hate them now I'm an employer but I used to hate them just as much as an employee. I employ people to do a job not to work specific hours and I'll be flexible with start time, finish time, other time off if it's a two way thing.
I've paid for people to do certification courses & exams, paid them more once they have passed and generally helped progress people's careers. And I've gained better qualified staff as a result, but if anyone started counting hours at me as part of that process I'd take it that they didn't want their career to progress and would concentrate my efforts on someone who did.
I've paid for people to do certification courses & exams, paid them more once they have passed and generally helped progress people's careers. And I've gained better qualified staff as a result, but if anyone started counting hours at me as part of that process I'd take it that they didn't want their career to progress and would concentrate my efforts on someone who did.
Well 5 x 14 is well above the 48 hour week so it might depend whether you've opted out to start with. Also whilst I can get b
ked for putting more hours in my time sheet than I've worked (naturally) I can get in trouble for putting less in as well. I have a maximum allowance of 15 hours in the bank and I can only get away with a 10 hour day.
I suggest a reading of your contract followed by a talk to HR. I'd be concerned you don't mark the time down as it might set a precedent for a course you're sent on you don't want to go on.
ked for putting more hours in my time sheet than I've worked (naturally) I can get in trouble for putting less in as well. I have a maximum allowance of 15 hours in the bank and I can only get away with a 10 hour day.I suggest a reading of your contract followed by a talk to HR. I'd be concerned you don't mark the time down as it might set a precedent for a course you're sent on you don't want to go on.
Yep - talk to your boss about this . Make the point you just want to honestly complete your timesheet, which is a condition of your employment anyway! Even better - mention you'd feel a bit embarrassed doing it as they are doing you a favour but want to do what's right...and...if you ARE allowed to book it you'll still be told to do it! Win Win!
It may be that they are happy for you to bank all that flexitime. It may be that when you work out of the office the normal day is assumed and no overtime/flexitime is accrued. Find out what your rule is and stick to it.
Remember - most firms have a clause that means if you leave (through your own choice) within a time period (usually a year) then you may have to pay back a portion of the course fees. So whilst it IS a favour, developing your career, it's also an investment by them and they will expect it to make some money overall. This is a two way relationship.
It may be that they are happy for you to bank all that flexitime. It may be that when you work out of the office the normal day is assumed and no overtime/flexitime is accrued. Find out what your rule is and stick to it.
Remember - most firms have a clause that means if you leave (through your own choice) within a time period (usually a year) then you may have to pay back a portion of the course fees. So whilst it IS a favour, developing your career, it's also an investment by them and they will expect it to make some money overall. This is a two way relationship.
You say that the course is very good and you're glad to be doing it. So who's the main benefactor of your doing the training? Will your company get the most out of it because of your new skills/knowledge, or do you - promotion possibilities, job security, better role and/or would the training benefit you if you quit and went to work for another company?
I'd say forget about the 14 hour days. Sounds like you've owed the time back for the bank holiday Monday. What about the Sunday? So maybe 1 - 2 days to claim back?
I'd say forget about the 14 hour days. Sounds like you've owed the time back for the bank holiday Monday. What about the Sunday? So maybe 1 - 2 days to claim back?
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