Dude, has Goodwood, like..sold out?
Poll: Dude, has Goodwood, like..sold out?
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Perhaps there should be an age restriction for children as umpteen kids (babies and toddlers) are spark out in pushchairs and mums are there on sufferance. Smart clothes looked great but the dust must have made many wish they had dressed down and I agree shirts/polo shirts and jeans/chinos be compulsory for blokes.
Errr, sorry, but no.
Goes against, to my mind, the whole ethos of the event from day 1.
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+1 on that, my little boy is 6 and this year was his 5th Festival
As for a dress code, everybody paid the same to get in, so if you don't like it, just don't go ?? It's not a thing for the self titled 'elite', it's an event for everybody. It's bad enough with all the whinging to$$ers going on about what people wear at the Revival, it would be awful to start dragging the Festival down the same path.
...And - 1 to the above. I take it you are one of the people who can't be bothered to dress properly with the opinion you are stating. if YOU don't want to make the effort, why should I have to look at your fat gut/tattoo/etc. For your information, this started as a garden party, that doesn't mean a barbecue in your back garden, but a certain level of standards.
It's even worse if you can't make the effort to dress correctly at the Revival. The whole damn point of that is that it's in period, if you won't make the effort, don't go.
Errr, sorry, but no.
Goes against, to my mind, the whole ethos of the event from day 1.
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+1 on that, my little boy is 6 and this year was his 5th Festival
As for a dress code, everybody paid the same to get in, so if you don't like it, just don't go ?? It's not a thing for the self titled 'elite', it's an event for everybody. It's bad enough with all the whinging to$$ers going on about what people wear at the Revival, it would be awful to start dragging the Festival down the same path.
...And - 1 to the above. I take it you are one of the people who can't be bothered to dress properly with the opinion you are stating. if YOU don't want to make the effort, why should I have to look at your fat gut/tattoo/etc. For your information, this started as a garden party, that doesn't mean a barbecue in your back garden, but a certain level of standards.
It's even worse if you can't make the effort to dress correctly at the Revival. The whole damn point of that is that it's in period, if you won't make the effort, don't go.
Dark Mutterings said:
As for a dress code, everybody paid the same to get in, so if you don't like it, just don't go ?? It's not a thing for the self titled 'elite', it's an event for everybody. It's bad enough with all the whinging to$$ers going on about what people wear at the Revival, it would be awful to start dragging the Festival down the same path.
...And - 1 to the above. I take it you are one of the people who can't be bothered to dress properly with the opinion you are stating. if YOU don't want to make the effort, why should I have to look at your fat gut/tattoo/etc. For your information, this started as a garden party, that doesn't mean a barbecue in your back garden, but a certain level of standards.
It's even worse if you can't make the effort to dress correctly at the Revival. The whole damn point of that is that it's in period, if you won't make the effort, don't go.
Nice first post, what is dressing properly for an event with no dress code then ? Lord March doesn't seem to mind, what makes you better placed than him ?...And - 1 to the above. I take it you are one of the people who can't be bothered to dress properly with the opinion you are stating. if YOU don't want to make the effort, why should I have to look at your fat gut/tattoo/etc. For your information, this started as a garden party, that doesn't mean a barbecue in your back garden, but a certain level of standards.
It's even worse if you can't make the effort to dress correctly at the Revival. The whole damn point of that is that it's in period, if you won't make the effort, don't go.
I don't actually have any tattoos, nor did I take my shirt off at any point, nor do I have an overly fat gut, nor do you know me, but nice first post assumptions
Btw, you don't have to look at any fat guts/tattoo's/etc's, you can just stay at home. Unless of course you are forced to go ?
As for the Revival :
:J: said:
I have been a few times (in period clothing I would like to add)
Thank you for providing an example of the 'elitist' attitude I was talking about though 
GSP said:
I think the point he was trying to make is that it used to be a 'Garden Party'... smart clothing, ladies in dresses and hair pieces. A bit of an occassion, a bit like horse racing.
Now its tramps and chavs galore.
Just because someone isn't dressed in a certain manner, it doesn't make them a tramp or a chav ?Now its tramps and chavs galore.
Again though, thank you for yet another example of the 'elitist' attitude I am talking about.
You are right though, it used to be a garden party, but Lord March (and good on him for doing so), has brought it to the masses for all to enjoy the beauty of the machinery that runs over the weekend. He allows people to get closer to the cars and celebs (depending on what takes your fancy) than they could anywhere else.
You are there for the love of motoring and everything else the Festival brings, as is everyone else, maybe you should just get over your discrimination of others because of what they wear ?
:J: said:
GSP said:
I think the point he was trying to make is that it used to be a 'Garden Party'... smart clothing, ladies in dresses and hair pieces. A bit of an occassion, a bit like horse racing.
Now its tramps and chavs galore.
Just because someone isn't dressed in a certain manner, it doesn't make them a tramp or a chav ?Now its tramps and chavs galore.
Again though, thank you for yet another example of the 'elitist' attitude I am talking about.
You are right though, it used to be a garden party, but Lord March (and good on him for doing so), has brought it to the masses for all to enjoy the beauty of the machinery that runs over the weekend. He allows people to get closer to the cars and celebs (depending on what takes your fancy) than they could anywhere else.
You are there for the love of motoring and everything else the Festival brings, as is everyone else, maybe you should just get over your discrimination of others because of what they wear ?
Nothing wrong with being elitist, gives me something to aspire to.
You should take your cue from your host, so the day Lord March trolls up in shorts, flip flops and a beer gut is the day it's OK to 'dress down', and I agree with GSP, I don't want to listen to foul mouthed hordes, I expect that at a footy match, indeed it adds to the atmosphere, but I don't expect it at an event like FoS.
To give you an example, there were three people on the Cartier Lawn, all dressed for the beach, red as lobsters and quite obviously 'the worse for wear' who loudly declared they were going to move their chairs forward because 'people keep trying to get past to look at the cars'
I rest my case.
You should take your cue from your host, so the day Lord March trolls up in shorts, flip flops and a beer gut is the day it's OK to 'dress down', and I agree with GSP, I don't want to listen to foul mouthed hordes, I expect that at a footy match, indeed it adds to the atmosphere, but I don't expect it at an event like FoS.
To give you an example, there were three people on the Cartier Lawn, all dressed for the beach, red as lobsters and quite obviously 'the worse for wear' who loudly declared they were going to move their chairs forward because 'people keep trying to get past to look at the cars'
I rest my case.
Edited by Dark Mutterings on Thursday 8th July 14:09
Edited by Dark Mutterings on Thursday 8th July 14:36
Dark Mutterings said:
Nothing wrong with being elitist, gives me something to aspire to.
You should take your cue from your host, so the day Lord March trolls up in shorts, flip flops and a beer gut is the day it's OK to 'dress down', and I agree with GSP, I don't want to listen to foul mouthed hordes, I expect that at a footy match, indeed it adds to the atmosphere, but I don't expect it at an event like FoS.
To give you an example, there were three people on the Cartier Lawn, all dressed for the beach, red as lobsters and quite obviously 'the worse for wear' who loudly declared they were going to move their chairs forward because 'people keep trying to get past to look at the cars'
I rest my case.
This is itYou should take your cue from your host, so the day Lord March trolls up in shorts, flip flops and a beer gut is the day it's OK to 'dress down', and I agree with GSP, I don't want to listen to foul mouthed hordes, I expect that at a footy match, indeed it adds to the atmosphere, but I don't expect it at an event like FoS.
To give you an example, there were three people on the Cartier Lawn, all dressed for the beach, red as lobsters and quite obviously 'the worse for wear' who loudly declared they were going to move their chairs forward because 'people keep trying to get past to look at the cars'
I rest my case.
Why people would pay the high entry fee to then come and moan about people looking at cars is beyond me
I also agree on the dress code side - perhaps trousers etc is taking it a bit far, but I dont think its too much to ask that people wear smart jeans and keep a shirt (or polo shirt) on at all times
When you can buy said outfit in Sainsburys for £15(ish) that's hardly being "elitist"
Further agree that the language some were coming out with when it's a family event disgusted me
I wouldn't mind a dress code but at the moment there isn't one, so you can hardly complain when people turn up in what they would normally wear on a hot weekend. I agree though, that getting your top off anywhere but a beach/pool is a no-no wherever you are.
The bottom line is it's a car event which attracts all kinds of people from different places and backgrounds so it's inevitable you will get a mix of clothing types when there is no dress code in place.
I came in some checkered shorts, a t shirt (nothing offensive on it) and some clean white pumps. I don't see a problem with that, I didn't look scruffy. It's entirely elitist to expect everyone to dress in trousers and a shirt when there's no dress code in place just because it's Goodwood.
The bottom line is it's a car event which attracts all kinds of people from different places and backgrounds so it's inevitable you will get a mix of clothing types when there is no dress code in place.
I came in some checkered shorts, a t shirt (nothing offensive on it) and some clean white pumps. I don't see a problem with that, I didn't look scruffy. It's entirely elitist to expect everyone to dress in trousers and a shirt when there's no dress code in place just because it's Goodwood.
It was interesting to look back through some of my pictures from the 1993, '94 and 95 events. Apart from the ones showing lots of very wet people, in the others there are lots of kids, some in pushchairs and lots of blokes in shorts and t-shirts, very similar in fact to every other FOS I've been to (missed about 3).
Apart from a small section of the (admittedly now much bigger) crowd, has event dress really changed by a large margin?
Apart from a small section of the (admittedly now much bigger) crowd, has event dress really changed by a large margin?
Unfortunately, anyone with standards who attended the event in the early years is going to be disappointed with the event now.
But then I used to enjoy Goodwood Circuit more in the 70's and 80's when it was derelict, and on random occasions there'd be a sprint there with all sorts of interesting kit lined up.
I think the FoS is aimed at a different clientelle now, so we just have to put up with it, and every privileged competitor telling us what a great event 'Lord March' has put on for them.
I went to a party once and someone who had been there with full hospitality from some manufacturer joked how he watched the 'plebs' walking miles from the car park. So there's another extreme.
So to anyone who occupies the territory between the Chavs and this bloke, I'd recommend the Monaco Historics every two years. Very good value trip, great weather and the event is more in line with FoS early days.
But then I used to enjoy Goodwood Circuit more in the 70's and 80's when it was derelict, and on random occasions there'd be a sprint there with all sorts of interesting kit lined up.
I think the FoS is aimed at a different clientelle now, so we just have to put up with it, and every privileged competitor telling us what a great event 'Lord March' has put on for them.
I went to a party once and someone who had been there with full hospitality from some manufacturer joked how he watched the 'plebs' walking miles from the car park. So there's another extreme.
So to anyone who occupies the territory between the Chavs and this bloke, I'd recommend the Monaco Historics every two years. Very good value trip, great weather and the event is more in line with FoS early days.
Edited by artdealer on Thursday 8th July 16:21
GSP said:
:J: said:
GSP said:
I think the point he was trying to make is that it used to be a 'Garden Party'... smart clothing, ladies in dresses and hair pieces. A bit of an occassion, a bit like horse racing.
Now its tramps and chavs galore.
Just because someone isn't dressed in a certain manner, it doesn't make them a tramp or a chav ?Now its tramps and chavs galore.
Again though, thank you for yet another example of the 'elitist' attitude I am talking about.
You are right though, it used to be a garden party, but Lord March (and good on him for doing so), has brought it to the masses for all to enjoy the beauty of the machinery that runs over the weekend. He allows people to get closer to the cars and celebs (depending on what takes your fancy) than they could anywhere else.
You are there for the love of motoring and everything else the Festival brings, as is everyone else, maybe you should just get over your discrimination of others because of what they wear ?
I sometimes look at the people dressed up very smartly to the point I would like to be part of the crowd, but then 'that crowd' come out with comments about the way people dress with an underlying looking down their nose attitude, and whilst I am not part of the shirtless masses, and nor would I want to be, I equally don't want to be part of the other crowd for some of the comments that come out of their mouths
Guess I am stuck in the middle ??
Not sure if anybody knows what I am talking about here, but a 'Nurburgring Car Park' atmosphere is the best way I can describe the way my perfect world would have it
Nobody cares what anybody is wearing, nobody cares what car they turned up in, they all just get along as they are there for a common cause, at least in my experience anyway. Carrera GT drivers getting along like a house on fire with VW Polo drivers for example. Different walks of life, but appreciation that they are both there for the same thing.:J: said:
Not sure if anybody knows what I am talking about here, but a 'Nurburgring Car Park' atmosphere is the best way I can describe the way my perfect world would have it Nobody cares what anybody is wearing, nobody cares what car they turned up in, they all just get along as they are there for a common cause, at least in my experience anyway. Carrera GT drivers getting along like a house on fire with VW Polo drivers for example. Different walks of life, but appreciation that they are both there for the same thing.
Exactly how it should be. Though you did say "short wearing masses" earlier in your post, are they considered bad? Nobody cares what anybody is wearing, nobody cares what car they turned up in, they all just get along as they are there for a common cause, at least in my experience anyway. Carrera GT drivers getting along like a house on fire with VW Polo drivers for example. Different walks of life, but appreciation that they are both there for the same thing.Red Firecracker said:
It was interesting to look back through some of my pictures from the 1993, '94 and 95 events. Apart from the ones showing lots of very wet people, in the others there are lots of kids, some in pushchairs and lots of blokes in shorts and t-shirts, very similar in fact to every other FOS I've been to (missed about 3).
Apart from a small section of the (admittedly now much bigger) crowd, has event dress really changed by a large margin?
I didn't notice any significant difference in the way people were dressed this year to the way they were dressed at my first FOS - 1994. I wore shorts as it was very hot and I would hate to think that the option to wear shorts was removed.Apart from a small section of the (admittedly now much bigger) crowd, has event dress really changed by a large margin?
I have never looked on the FOS as a "Garden Party" and have never dressed with that in mind. There is a "Garden Party" element to it - which has grown, especially after the Revival started. However, for me the main point of the FOS is the opportunity to see rare and historic motor cars in an environment where the cars and their owners can be easilly accessed. Dress code is not such an issue for me at all.
Theb Revival is different, of course, and any time I've gone I've made an effort to keep within the ethos of the event.
Eric Mc said:
Red Firecracker said:
It was interesting to look back through some of my pictures from the 1993, '94 and 95 events. Apart from the ones showing lots of very wet people, in the others there are lots of kids, some in pushchairs and lots of blokes in shorts and t-shirts, very similar in fact to every other FOS I've been to (missed about 3).
Apart from a small section of the (admittedly now much bigger) crowd, has event dress really changed by a large margin?
I didn't notice any significant difference in the way people were dressed this year to the way they were dressed at my first FOS - 1994. I wore shorts as it was very hot and I would hate to think that the option to wear shorts was removed.Apart from a small section of the (admittedly now much bigger) crowd, has event dress really changed by a large margin?
I have never looked on the FOS as a "Garden Party" and have never dressed with that in mind. There is a "Garden Party" element to it - which has grown, especially after the Revival started. However, for me the main point of the FOS is the opportunity to see rare and historic motor cars in an environment where the cars and their owners can be easilly accessed. Dress code is not such an issue for me at all.
Theb Revival is different, of course, and any time I've gone I've made an effort to keep within the ethos of the event.
I've been fortunate enough to attend every FoS since 1994 when my dad took me as an enthusiastic 10 year old. The event has allowed me to see and meet many of my heroes, as well as seeing cars I'd always dreamed of. This year, I got to see an XJR-14 move, the 164 Procar and the stillborn Alfa Group C car - which I'd never even heard of. It has vastly increased my knowledge of, and love for, the sport which I find so infinitely fascinating. Nobody forces you to attend, and a lot of the cars you can see racing throughout the year in historics - the VSCC, HSCC, AMOC and Masters all organise nice meetings up and down the country every weekend. If you prefer a more genteel atmosphere then the Revival and Monaco Historique are excellent for that.
I think there is considerable elitism on this thread. You aren't born knowing everything about racing. Crikey, I was 4 when I went to my first motor racing event and was already a regular Autosport reader by then but that's 4 years when I wasn't properly researching my sport - you only truly appreciate a racing car when it is at racing speed in front of you. On that basis, Goodwood is a superb method of helping the general public appreciate forms of racing beyond just F1. It is entirely possible that a young Lewis Hamilton fan heard the noise of Paul Knapfield's Ferrari 312PB and decided that he simply had to learn more. So he buys the Speed Merchants DVD and realises that the footage on there of the Targa Florio and Le Mans at night is the best thing ever (and assuredly it is). So then he researches the 3.0L sportscar period and falls in love with the Mirage GR8. He then sees a Chevron B36 and loves the chisselled nose and glorious noise so he researches the European 2.0L Sportscar Championship. He then devotes his life to learning the every detail he possibly can on every car.
I really believe it remains a stunning event which balances a very fine line between catering for those die-hards who are at clubbies at Cadwell every other weekend and the occassional fan who wants to see Grand Prix cars at close quarters. If even one young fan has an interest in the sport's rich history piqued by something old then the job is done. I hope that it will entice them to their local circuit to enjoy some more live motorsport.
There are literally hundreds of other events to attend through the year, if you no longer care for the FoS, perhaps try one of the others. This weekend's Cholmondeley Pageant of Power should be fun if you're in the North West...
I think there is considerable elitism on this thread. You aren't born knowing everything about racing. Crikey, I was 4 when I went to my first motor racing event and was already a regular Autosport reader by then but that's 4 years when I wasn't properly researching my sport - you only truly appreciate a racing car when it is at racing speed in front of you. On that basis, Goodwood is a superb method of helping the general public appreciate forms of racing beyond just F1. It is entirely possible that a young Lewis Hamilton fan heard the noise of Paul Knapfield's Ferrari 312PB and decided that he simply had to learn more. So he buys the Speed Merchants DVD and realises that the footage on there of the Targa Florio and Le Mans at night is the best thing ever (and assuredly it is). So then he researches the 3.0L sportscar period and falls in love with the Mirage GR8. He then sees a Chevron B36 and loves the chisselled nose and glorious noise so he researches the European 2.0L Sportscar Championship. He then devotes his life to learning the every detail he possibly can on every car.
I really believe it remains a stunning event which balances a very fine line between catering for those die-hards who are at clubbies at Cadwell every other weekend and the occassional fan who wants to see Grand Prix cars at close quarters. If even one young fan has an interest in the sport's rich history piqued by something old then the job is done. I hope that it will entice them to their local circuit to enjoy some more live motorsport.
There are literally hundreds of other events to attend through the year, if you no longer care for the FoS, perhaps try one of the others. This weekend's Cholmondeley Pageant of Power should be fun if you're in the North West...
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