Car and cyclist meet
Discussion
budgie smuggler said:
TheInternet said:
The view from Lincolnshire Police:
“Safety is our priority and cycling on the pavement is illegal. However, common sense obviously prevails and in the case of young children officers would use their discretion and offer the most appropriate advice for the circumstances.”
Looks a lot like the parent or guardian is putting their child in harms way for their crusade totally unnecessarily.
Is the parent also allowed to ride on the pavement in those circumstances?“Safety is our priority and cycling on the pavement is illegal. However, common sense obviously prevails and in the case of young children officers would use their discretion and offer the most appropriate advice for the circumstances.”
Looks a lot like the parent or guardian is putting their child in harms way for their crusade totally unnecessarily.
Bannock said:
This video is really a great example of someone trying to impose their view of how the world should work onto the real world, which is unfortunately replete with people who will never behave how they should behave. Including, in this instance, the driver of the oncoming car AND the father of this child who ought to be taken to task over this, if it is true that the whole video shows him telling the child to carry on. The guy deserves an absolute roasting if that's the case, as does the car driver.
Longer videohttps://twitter.com/JeremyVineOn5/status/158991137...
super7 said:
Yes the Kid is riding in a straight line but those handlebars are working overtime and the little wheels and pedals are going like the clappers......
The bike is NOT suitable for the road, it's essentially a toy, and whilst the kid knows the mechanics of riding a bike and balance, he's passing parked cars at a level where it's difficult for him to see risks that an older rider or adult would see. Dad riding along behind with a Go Pro strapped to his head is not in any position to protect his kid in anyway should an issue occur.
Bad parenting quite simply..........
I thought the car was going at a reasonable speed but what the hell was that Dad doing!! It's no good being martyr to the cause if you rode over your squashed kid whose riding out front. He should have AT LEAST been riding upfront where he can signal to oncoming traffic, or take a dominant position forcing the car to stop. At most he should be taking his kid to play in the park with his toy and not on the road!
BullsThe bike is NOT suitable for the road, it's essentially a toy, and whilst the kid knows the mechanics of riding a bike and balance, he's passing parked cars at a level where it's difficult for him to see risks that an older rider or adult would see. Dad riding along behind with a Go Pro strapped to his head is not in any position to protect his kid in anyway should an issue occur.
Bad parenting quite simply..........
I thought the car was going at a reasonable speed but what the hell was that Dad doing!! It's no good being martyr to the cause if you rode over your squashed kid whose riding out front. He should have AT LEAST been riding upfront where he can signal to oncoming traffic, or take a dominant position forcing the car to stop. At most he should be taking his kid to play in the park with his toy and not on the road!
t on every point. IMObobbo89 said:
Bannock said:
This video is really a great example of someone trying to impose their view of how the world should work onto the real world, which is unfortunately replete with people who will never behave how they should behave. Including, in this instance, the driver of the oncoming car AND the father of this child who ought to be taken to task over this, if it is true that the whole video shows him telling the child to carry on. The guy deserves an absolute roasting if that's the case, as does the car driver.
Longer videohttps://twitter.com/JeremyVineOn5/status/158991137...
BoRED S2upid said:
budgie smuggler said:
TheInternet said:
The view from Lincolnshire Police:
“Safety is our priority and cycling on the pavement is illegal. However, common sense obviously prevails and in the case of young children officers would use their discretion and offer the most appropriate advice for the circumstances.”
Looks a lot like the parent or guardian is putting their child in harms way for their crusade totally unnecessarily.
Is the parent also allowed to ride on the pavement in those circumstances?“Safety is our priority and cycling on the pavement is illegal. However, common sense obviously prevails and in the case of young children officers would use their discretion and offer the most appropriate advice for the circumstances.”
Looks a lot like the parent or guardian is putting their child in harms way for their crusade totally unnecessarily.
Bannock said:
super7 said:
he's passing parked cars at a level where it's difficult for him to see risks that an older rider or adult would see. Dad riding along behind with a Go Pro strapped to his head is not in any position to protect his kid in anyway should an issue occur.
This is a good point. Do you want your 5 year old getting "doored" by someone getting out of a parked car without looking? Even if someone did look over their shoulder before opening the car door, the kid on that bike is so low he might not be seen. A child and bike of that size simply should not be passing parked cars on a road.Julian Scott said:
BoRED S2upid said:
budgie smuggler said:
TheInternet said:
The view from Lincolnshire Police:
“Safety is our priority and cycling on the pavement is illegal. However, common sense obviously prevails and in the case of young children officers would use their discretion and offer the most appropriate advice for the circumstances.”
Looks a lot like the parent or guardian is putting their child in harms way for their crusade totally unnecessarily.
Is the parent also allowed to ride on the pavement in those circumstances?“Safety is our priority and cycling on the pavement is illegal. However, common sense obviously prevails and in the case of young children officers would use their discretion and offer the most appropriate advice for the circumstances.”
Looks a lot like the parent or guardian is putting their child in harms way for their crusade totally unnecessarily.
Julian Scott said:
Bannock said:
super7 said:
he's passing parked cars at a level where it's difficult for him to see risks that an older rider or adult would see. Dad riding along behind with a Go Pro strapped to his head is not in any position to protect his kid in anyway should an issue occur.
This is a good point. Do you want your 5 year old getting "doored" by someone getting out of a parked car without looking? Even if someone did look over their shoulder before opening the car door, the kid on that bike is so low he might not be seen. A child and bike of that size simply should not be passing parked cars on a road.head opening a door quickly, thinking they can get out before you arrive? No. Kid is then doored, or he falls off into oncoming traffic. He's just too small to be passing parked cars.Can you honestly not see that? Yes if the kid gets doored it's not his fault, but so what? He may be killed or seriously injured. Don't put him at that level of risk.
Maybe we should be like Japan and ban cars parking on the road.
I'm sure there are no problems with that.Kes Arevo said:
Plenty of room for both, driver slowed considerably, big nothing burger.
Absolutely.Personally I expect I would have stopped further back from the pinch point if I was driving. Just to give plenty of margin for the child and the dad's blood pressure.
If I was cycling with my 6yr old daughter I would have told her to stop before the parked cars on 'our' side to avoid the conflict.
bobbo89 said:
BoRED S2upid said:
Why aren’t they using the cycle paths to the left of those road calming island things?
They're only really there so the pinch point doesnt impede cyclists, if there's no oncoming traffic then it makes no sense to weave into and then back out of one...either they're obstructed by cars parking such that you physically can't use them, or they're piled high with broken glass hiding under fallen leaves, or, as is the case in the video clip being debated here, they're set at low points in the road and installed as an afterthought with no additional drainage. If any driver thinks I'm going to use one and risk punctured tyres or wet feet unnecessarily, they can eat my shorts.
On the rare occasion that I can clearly see one that isn't concealed/obstructed by parked vehicles, and which I can clearly see is clear of debris and floodwater, and which doesn't require me to risk a pedal strike on both sides due to high kerbs and a narrow "lane" through it, then i'll happily use it.
Bannock said:
This video is really a great example of someone trying to impose their view of how the world should work onto the real world, which is unfortunately replete with people who will never behave how they should behave. Including, in this instance, the driver of the oncoming car AND the father of this child who ought to be taken to task over this, if it is true that the whole video shows him telling the child to carry on. The guy deserves an absolute roasting if that's the case, as does the car driver.
It's a bloke taking his kid to school, that's all.Bannock said:
Maybe we should be like Japan and ban cars parking on the road. I'm sure there are no problems with that.
I think it is a great idea, parked cars are by far the biggest hindrance to my daily commute, I waste far more time manoeuvring around parked cars than I do passing cyclists. I'm sure there are no problems with that.
My thoughts
It's a no score draw.
- it is a residential road, that people use both for parking, and getting around.
- the parked cars definitely triggered this situation, but cars parked on the road in London is just the reality
- if cycling, my kids would 100% be on the pavement, with me on the road
- as a car driver, I would have 100% given way for the kid
- but
- cyclist behaviour like this now means traffic in the capital is effectively restricted to the speed a small child can ride a child's toy around (ignoring the boroughwide 20mph limit in Kingston)
- so it is a case of wishful thinking meeting actual reality.
- I suppose it's laudable the dad is trying to highlight the lack of cycling infrastructure. But there is finite money and capacity for towns, including the capital. Kingston might be a bit of a "bubble", and has some really good cycling infrastructure in some parts. But it's utterly unrealistic to just expect this everywhere.
- I also think the dad shouldn't be using his kid to fight his battles. As a biker, I could never accept leaving my safety up to someone else, and as a Dad, couldn't comprehend this approach with my children.
It's a no score draw.
- it is a residential road, that people use both for parking, and getting around.
- the parked cars definitely triggered this situation, but cars parked on the road in London is just the reality
- if cycling, my kids would 100% be on the pavement, with me on the road
- as a car driver, I would have 100% given way for the kid
- but
- cyclist behaviour like this now means traffic in the capital is effectively restricted to the speed a small child can ride a child's toy around (ignoring the boroughwide 20mph limit in Kingston)
- so it is a case of wishful thinking meeting actual reality.
- I suppose it's laudable the dad is trying to highlight the lack of cycling infrastructure. But there is finite money and capacity for towns, including the capital. Kingston might be a bit of a "bubble", and has some really good cycling infrastructure in some parts. But it's utterly unrealistic to just expect this everywhere.
- I also think the dad shouldn't be using his kid to fight his battles. As a biker, I could never accept leaving my safety up to someone else, and as a Dad, couldn't comprehend this approach with my children.
Ian Geary said:
My thoughts
- I suppose it's laudable the dad is trying to highlight the lack of cycling infrastructure. But there is finite money and capacity for towns, including the capital. Kingston might be a bit of a "bubble", and has some really good cycling infrastructure in some parts. But it's utterly unrealistic to just expect this everywhere.
The whole road layout in this situation is actually a perfect example of how priorities have changed over the years and how little to no thought previously went into cyclists. They'll have thrown a load of money at constructing those pinch points which just frustrate drivers and cyclists alike as well as make parking even worse, they're also a massive eyesore and as a highways eng I hate street clutter. - I suppose it's laudable the dad is trying to highlight the lack of cycling infrastructure. But there is finite money and capacity for towns, including the capital. Kingston might be a bit of a "bubble", and has some really good cycling infrastructure in some parts. But it's utterly unrealistic to just expect this everywhere.
On that street, given the money, there looks to be ample room to narrow the footways providing both on street parking and more carriageway space. You could also loose the pinch points and install basic speed cushions which would provide further on street parking lessing the amount of double parking caused by the pinch points.
You don't necessarily have to provide cycle lanes to make things safe for cyclists. I think it much better to make the carriageway as a whole much more suitable for both to use together.
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