Easytrack ceased trading
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I think it's time to set a few things straight, firstly of all Dino's gone into this with his eyes wide open and with every intention of making it work, as have the rest of the team.
There was a lot of good from EasyTrack which we intend to build on, including a dedicated team and loyal customers.
I don't think TDO's slating each other helps anyone, it's not very professional and you only know the facts from one side of the story 13 years ago, not the facts from 2013, TTEvents and EasyTrack are two totally different companies and they should be treated as such, EasyTrack is gone and there is nothing more to say on that.
Track and Tour Events ran its first event on Saturday and I'm sure that the people that attended will agree that it was a great success and yes, it was paid for by Dino.
I know some of you are wondering who Peter is, well you’re not the only ones! He certainly isn't anything to do with TT Events!
TT Events has every intention of honouring Multi Packs but we need to work out in what format, TT Events don't have a penny of the money taken for these so we need a workable solution, I'm sure you'll appreciate the focus was to run Bedford first, however the packs are high on our priority list.
TT Events are here to stay and I can assure anyone that is concerned that Marcus isn't involved and no 'phoenixing' is taking place.
From my point of view and the other staff a big thanks to Dino for deciding that the time is right to get into the UK Trackday industry and a huge round of applause for running the Bedford trackday without getting paid, not many would have.
Jo - TT Events
There was a lot of good from EasyTrack which we intend to build on, including a dedicated team and loyal customers.
I don't think TDO's slating each other helps anyone, it's not very professional and you only know the facts from one side of the story 13 years ago, not the facts from 2013, TTEvents and EasyTrack are two totally different companies and they should be treated as such, EasyTrack is gone and there is nothing more to say on that.
Track and Tour Events ran its first event on Saturday and I'm sure that the people that attended will agree that it was a great success and yes, it was paid for by Dino.
I know some of you are wondering who Peter is, well you’re not the only ones! He certainly isn't anything to do with TT Events!
TT Events has every intention of honouring Multi Packs but we need to work out in what format, TT Events don't have a penny of the money taken for these so we need a workable solution, I'm sure you'll appreciate the focus was to run Bedford first, however the packs are high on our priority list.
TT Events are here to stay and I can assure anyone that is concerned that Marcus isn't involved and no 'phoenixing' is taking place.
From my point of view and the other staff a big thanks to Dino for deciding that the time is right to get into the UK Trackday industry and a huge round of applause for running the Bedford trackday without getting paid, not many would have.
Jo - TT Events
Guillotine said:
Isnt the ATDO just a bunch of TD companies that all decided to abide (honest) by the set of rules they've set out themselves....like a federation really.
Incidentally, it seems to be registered to...the same house as BAT?
I thought it was a Callum thing.
The Association of Track Day Organisers Ltd is a not-for-profit association made up of track day companies who want to maintain an acceptable standard of events in our industry. It's a legal entity it its own right (limited company) with a board of directors, AGM's, a code of practice and a published list of current members. Incidentally, it seems to be registered to...the same house as BAT?
I thought it was a Callum thing.
Sarah & I offer (unpaid) secretariat services for ATDO, the other board members also provide their time free of charge.
Calum is the chairman and has done a great job of holding it all together for the last decade despite a wave of apathy from some of the biggest companies within the industry.
Quite frankly, referring to ATDO and FAEO in the same sentence is nothing short of a joke, IMHO.
Jonny
BaT
PS the above is the personal opinion of Jonny Leroux, NOT of ATDO Ltd or it's board of directors!
Daisypurr said:
I think it's time to set a few things straight, firstly of all Dino's gone into this with his eyes wide open and with every intention of making it work, as have the rest of the team.
There was a lot of good from EasyTrack which we intend to build on, including a dedicated team and loyal customers.
I don't think TDO's slating each other helps anyone, it's not very professional and you only know the facts from one side of the story 13 years ago, not the facts from 2013, TTEvents and EasyTrack are two totally different companies and they should be treated as such, EasyTrack is gone and there is nothing more to say on that.
Track and Tour Events ran its first event on Saturday and I'm sure that the people that attended will agree that it was a great success and yes, it was paid for by Dino.
I know some of you are wondering who Peter is, well you’re not the only ones! He certainly isn't anything to do with TT Events!
TT Events has every intention of honouring Multi Packs but we need to work out in what format, TT Events don't have a penny of the money taken for these so we need a workable solution, I'm sure you'll appreciate the focus was to run Bedford first, however the packs are high on our priority list.
TT Events are here to stay and I can assure anyone that is concerned that Marcus isn't involved and no 'phoenixing' is taking place.
From my point of view and the other staff a big thanks to Dino for deciding that the time is right to get into the UK Trackday industry and a huge round of applause for running the Bedford trackday without getting paid, not many would have.
Jo - TT Events
Are you the same jo (Joanne) how rang me from easy track / track and tour offering me a refund / alternative event, and 10 day later still no refund.There was a lot of good from EasyTrack which we intend to build on, including a dedicated team and loyal customers.
I don't think TDO's slating each other helps anyone, it's not very professional and you only know the facts from one side of the story 13 years ago, not the facts from 2013, TTEvents and EasyTrack are two totally different companies and they should be treated as such, EasyTrack is gone and there is nothing more to say on that.
Track and Tour Events ran its first event on Saturday and I'm sure that the people that attended will agree that it was a great success and yes, it was paid for by Dino.
I know some of you are wondering who Peter is, well you’re not the only ones! He certainly isn't anything to do with TT Events!
TT Events has every intention of honouring Multi Packs but we need to work out in what format, TT Events don't have a penny of the money taken for these so we need a workable solution, I'm sure you'll appreciate the focus was to run Bedford first, however the packs are high on our priority list.
TT Events are here to stay and I can assure anyone that is concerned that Marcus isn't involved and no 'phoenixing' is taking place.
From my point of view and the other staff a big thanks to Dino for deciding that the time is right to get into the UK Trackday industry and a huge round of applause for running the Bedford trackday without getting paid, not many would have.
Jo - TT Events
Jon
Daisypurr said:
I think it's time to set a few things straight, firstly of all Dino's gone into this with his eyes wide open and with every intention of making it work, as have the rest of the team.
There was a lot of good from EasyTrack which we intend to build on, including a dedicated team and loyal customers.
I don't think TDO's slating each other helps anyone, it's not very professional and you only know the facts from one side of the story 13 years ago, not the facts from 2013, TTEvents and EasyTrack are two totally different companies and they should be treated as such, EasyTrack is gone and there is nothing more to say on that.
Track and Tour Events ran its first event on Saturday and I'm sure that the people that attended will agree that it was a great success and yes, it was paid for by Dino.
I know some of you are wondering who Peter is, well you’re not the only ones! He certainly isn't anything to do with TT Events!
TT Events has every intention of honouring Multi Packs but we need to work out in what format, TT Events don't have a penny of the money taken for these so we need a workable solution, I'm sure you'll appreciate the focus was to run Bedford first, however the packs are high on our priority list.
TT Events are here to stay and I can assure anyone that is concerned that Marcus isn't involved and no 'phoenixing' is taking place.
From my point of view and the other staff a big thanks to Dino for deciding that the time is right to get into the UK Trackday industry and a huge round of applause for running the Bedford trackday without getting paid, not many would have.
Jo - TT Events
Are you saying that Motorbike Multi packs bought from Easy Track will be honoured through TT Events?There was a lot of good from EasyTrack which we intend to build on, including a dedicated team and loyal customers.
I don't think TDO's slating each other helps anyone, it's not very professional and you only know the facts from one side of the story 13 years ago, not the facts from 2013, TTEvents and EasyTrack are two totally different companies and they should be treated as such, EasyTrack is gone and there is nothing more to say on that.
Track and Tour Events ran its first event on Saturday and I'm sure that the people that attended will agree that it was a great success and yes, it was paid for by Dino.
I know some of you are wondering who Peter is, well you’re not the only ones! He certainly isn't anything to do with TT Events!
TT Events has every intention of honouring Multi Packs but we need to work out in what format, TT Events don't have a penny of the money taken for these so we need a workable solution, I'm sure you'll appreciate the focus was to run Bedford first, however the packs are high on our priority list.
TT Events are here to stay and I can assure anyone that is concerned that Marcus isn't involved and no 'phoenixing' is taking place.
From my point of view and the other staff a big thanks to Dino for deciding that the time is right to get into the UK Trackday industry and a huge round of applause for running the Bedford trackday without getting paid, not many would have.
Jo - TT Events
Daisypurr said:
TT Events has every intention of honouring Multi Packs but we need to work out in what format, TT Events don't have a penny of the money taken for these so we need a workable solution, I'm sure you'll appreciate the focus was to run Bedford first, however the packs are high on our priority list.
Jo - TT Events
Hi Jo,Jo - TT Events
Can I ask why a company that has nothing to do with Easytrack would give anything to customers of Easytrack?
"Track and Tour Events Ltd has no affiliation or connection with the company or business of Easytrack Ltd. We cannot assist with enquiries about that company.
As an act of goodwill we are welcoming previous car track day customers of that company to our events."
And can you explain what 'welcoming previous customers' exactly means?!
Thanks jim
I honestly can't see this ending well, anyone who has bought trackday 'packs' will end up either shelling out more cash or ony being allowed on trackdays where they have covered the cost and you're some sort of infill, or some other equally restrictive terms.
As for no-one knowing who peter is, well the person running the website does as you had to hand 'him' the details for the mail server to send out emails and to reply to sent emails*
As for no-one knowing who peter is, well the person running the website does as you had to hand 'him' the details for the mail server to send out emails and to reply to sent emails*
- well it could have been hacked but the chances of that are less than nil in this situation.
Silent1 said:
I honestly can't see this ending well, anyone who has bought trackday 'packs' will end up either shelling out more cash or ony being allowed on trackdays where they have covered the cost and you're some sort of infill, or some other equally restrictive terms.
I don't see the business sense for the "new" company to do anything with these packs anyway - they get no money from it and they are only extending the bad feelings which now exist towards easytrack onto themselves.One possible scenario is that Easytrack handed over their database in return for TTE taking on any debt (including the outstanding multi packs).
Easytrack were obviously not in a good cash position and didn't have much in way of physical assets to negotiate with, but as we've said before the database is worth something.
Doesn't mean that TTE will or can honour these outstanding debts, as the full extent of them may not have been known by Dino, but if he did go into this with his 'eyes open' then surely he knows where he stands with regard to the packs and can answer the question of whether they'll be honoured or not?
Wouldn't it be good idea for Dino himself to explain the situation? What business connection does Jo have with TTE? Who is the mysterious Peter? Quite a lot of questions but not many proper answers.
Easytrack were obviously not in a good cash position and didn't have much in way of physical assets to negotiate with, but as we've said before the database is worth something.
Doesn't mean that TTE will or can honour these outstanding debts, as the full extent of them may not have been known by Dino, but if he did go into this with his 'eyes open' then surely he knows where he stands with regard to the packs and can answer the question of whether they'll be honoured or not?
Wouldn't it be good idea for Dino himself to explain the situation? What business connection does Jo have with TTE? Who is the mysterious Peter? Quite a lot of questions but not many proper answers.
FurtiveFreddy said:
but as we've said before the database is worth something.
I'm not convinced this is the case. I can't see any real intrinsic value to a database of customers for track days, especially when it would most likely be illegal to use any of the data contained therein (if easytrack wasn't sold to TT events then the "sale" or use of the database itself would most likely be in breach of data protection laws).Hi guys, there's even larger scales of deceit here. I have discovered that only 2 days before they announced to Msv, that they were finished, that they pushed a motorcycle shop into a chaps payment for an event 10 days later of £2800....!..that was there customers money, that they have lost as well...now don't tell me they didn't know then what they were doing.
Cobraman1 said:
Hi guys, there's even larger scales of deceit here. I have discovered that only 2 days before they announced to Msv, that they were finished, that they pushed a motorcycle shop into a chaps payment for an event 10 days later of £2800....!..that was there customers money, that they have lost as well...now don't tell me they didn't know then what they were doing.
Course they did. You only have to look at Mark Thomas' business record to see its not exactly the 1st time they've done it. I never used them for that reason alone!!All pretty sickening. I know people that lost out when Track Action folded. Money was taken the day before they disappeared. Every time I see the disgruntled guys, who are now customers, they ask if I have heard from the guy that run it. Simon somebody or other. 8 years on and they are still looking for him. People have good memories when they have had their leg lifted...
Daisypurr said:
I think it's time to set a few things straight, firstly of all Dino's gone into this with his eyes wide open and with every intention of making it work, as have the rest of the team.
There was a lot of good from EasyTrack which we intend to build on, including a dedicated team and loyal customers.
I don't think TDO's slating each other helps anyone, it's not very professional and you only know the facts from one side of the story 13 years ago, not the facts from 2013, TTEvents and EasyTrack are two totally different companies and they should be treated as such, EasyTrack is gone and there is nothing more to say on that.
Track and Tour Events ran its first event on Saturday and I'm sure that the people that attended will agree that it was a great success and yes, it was paid for by Dino.
I know some of you are wondering who Peter is, well you’re not the only ones! He certainly isn't anything to do with TT Events!
TT Events has every intention of honouring Multi Packs but we need to work out in what format, TT Events don't have a penny of the money taken for these so we need a workable solution, I'm sure you'll appreciate the focus was to run Bedford first, however the packs are high on our priority list.
TT Events are here to stay and I can assure anyone that is concerned that Marcus isn't involved and no 'phoenixing' is taking place.
From my point of view and the other staff a big thanks to Dino for deciding that the time is right to get into the UK Trackday industry and a huge round of applause for running the Bedford trackday without getting paid, not many would have.
Jo - TT Events
Jo - time for your 2nd post?There was a lot of good from EasyTrack which we intend to build on, including a dedicated team and loyal customers.
I don't think TDO's slating each other helps anyone, it's not very professional and you only know the facts from one side of the story 13 years ago, not the facts from 2013, TTEvents and EasyTrack are two totally different companies and they should be treated as such, EasyTrack is gone and there is nothing more to say on that.
Track and Tour Events ran its first event on Saturday and I'm sure that the people that attended will agree that it was a great success and yes, it was paid for by Dino.
I know some of you are wondering who Peter is, well you’re not the only ones! He certainly isn't anything to do with TT Events!
TT Events has every intention of honouring Multi Packs but we need to work out in what format, TT Events don't have a penny of the money taken for these so we need a workable solution, I'm sure you'll appreciate the focus was to run Bedford first, however the packs are high on our priority list.
TT Events are here to stay and I can assure anyone that is concerned that Marcus isn't involved and no 'phoenixing' is taking place.
From my point of view and the other staff a big thanks to Dino for deciding that the time is right to get into the UK Trackday industry and a huge round of applause for running the Bedford trackday without getting paid, not many would have.
Jo - TT Events
I've been biting my tongue on this but can't fight it any longer. I'm genuinely sorry that you (Jo) are taking the brunt of the responses on here as I suspect you have suffered more than most in recent weeks. That said, if you are going to post to a forum on behalf of a company then you must be prepared to follow up your posts.
te, but i've not walked away with ££++ of clients and suppliers money. *THAT* is what I consider to be "not very professional"
Just to reiterate, I really don't want you to take this personally Jo - having worked with Marcus in the past you have my sincerest sympathies.
Jonny
BaT
Daisypurr said:
There was a lot of good from EasyTrack which we intend to build on, including a dedicated team and loyal customers.
So that's website, domain name, database, staff and most of the EzT calendar - but it's not been phoenixed though, right?Daisypurr said:
I don't think TDO's slating each other helps anyone, it's not very professional
LOL - please. I *really* don't think you should be throwing those stones from that glass house you're standing in. I may be a gobste, but i've not walked away with ££++ of clients and suppliers money. *THAT* is what I consider to be "not very professional"Daisypurr said:
you only know the facts from one side of the story 13 years ago, not the facts from 2013
I know that EzT have welched on a number of dates with MSV. Those dates are likely to translate into significant lost revenue for MSV and when Dr Palmer looks at his bottom line at the end of this year it's going to be the likes of Me & Melindi who pick up the tab come 2014. That's how business works unfortunately - those who continue to pay the bills have to pick up the slack when others fail to pay up.Daisypurr said:
TTEvents and EasyTrack are two totally different companies and they should be treated as such, EasyTrack is gone and there is nothing more to say on that.
Other than the obvious question as to why Dino is so keen to honour the EzT credits. he could have easily picked up the relinquished EzT events calendar without the burdon of these pre-bookings. There is, without doubt, more to this that meets the eye.Daisypurr said:
I know some of you are wondering who Peter is, well you’re not the only ones! He certainly isn't anything to do with TT Events!
There's nothing I can say about that sentence that makes it look any more ridiculous than it already does.Daisypurr said:
TT Events are here to stay and I can assure anyone that is concerned that Marcus isn't involved and no 'phoenixing' is taking place.
However you choose to look at it, the company Easytrack Ltd has been stripped of it's assets in order to avoid paying its creditors and is now trading under a newly-formed company - albeit (hopefully) under new management. *That* is phoenixing.Just to reiterate, I really don't want you to take this personally Jo - having worked with Marcus in the past you have my sincerest sympathies.
Jonny
BaT
Thats similar to my thinking Jonny re Jo's post. The Peter statement particularly tickles me. Whoever Peter is, he was well briefed and described what was going on pretty well both before and after the TT takeover from the emails I had.
Funny how the commitment to Easytrack customers and pack holders seems to be changing daily on the TT Events site........Oh that's the website for the new company that is nothing to do with Easytrack but full of Easytrack code and still lets you login and view all your Easytrack purchases with your Easytrack ID!
The commitment to honor the packs has disappeared as of today too with much more vague wording.
I think the new team would be much better off coming out and telling the truth even if that is delivering the confirmed bad news that we have all been f*cked. As each day passes and the angry mob gathers strength it will do nothing but destroy their reputation further surely???
Funny how the commitment to Easytrack customers and pack holders seems to be changing daily on the TT Events site........Oh that's the website for the new company that is nothing to do with Easytrack but full of Easytrack code and still lets you login and view all your Easytrack purchases with your Easytrack ID!
The commitment to honor the packs has disappeared as of today too with much more vague wording.
I think the new team would be much better off coming out and telling the truth even if that is delivering the confirmed bad news that we have all been f*cked. As each day passes and the angry mob gathers strength it will do nothing but destroy their reputation further surely???
Daverb said:
What a real mess.
Such a shame as Easytrack trackdays were really good.
Surely you have to be either very BRAVE or STUPID to book with Track & Tour? Will anyone use them after this mess? Can you trust them?
Sadly, what makes a good track day doesn't always make a good business model.Such a shame as Easytrack trackdays were really good.
Surely you have to be either very BRAVE or STUPID to book with Track & Tour? Will anyone use them after this mess? Can you trust them?
As for booking with TTE, if you don't know the company well, pay by credit card and you're always covered. As with most things in life, if something seems too good to be true (like 5 track days for £500!) it generally is.
Jonny
BaT
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