Asking for severance
Discussion
I’m looking for a severance package from my employer, as after eight years and as many bosses, and 150 flights per year, I’ve had enough. Now, I’m not in the habit of resigning and nor can afford to, so I’m planning on telling my boss that I’m not happy and should him be looking to cut costs in the future, then perhaps he would like to think of me and here is how much I’d go for. Plus I’d sign non-compete clause, help with a smooth transition over an agreed timescale and generally be good co-operative guy. The figure I need is my notice period plus about an additional 4 months salary were they willing to make me “redundant” and then I benefit from the tax free status of the first £30k. If not then I need a full years salary.
Now, my fear is that the employer says “no problem, you don’t like the role anymore, you can do this job”, when I have no interest in anything else within the group. My contract states clearly what my job is, so can I then say “thanks but that job is not for me, I will carry on doing what I’m doing”. My theory is that the employer doesn’t want a de-motivated manager in a vital position and it’s better to pay him off, than have him f*** up the business.
Now, my fear is that the employer says “no problem, you don’t like the role anymore, you can do this job”, when I have no interest in anything else within the group. My contract states clearly what my job is, so can I then say “thanks but that job is not for me, I will carry on doing what I’m doing”. My theory is that the employer doesn’t want a de-motivated manager in a vital position and it’s better to pay him off, than have him f*** up the business.
Kermit,
I run a high profile business that can't really afford to fail and they would not be keen to have someone at the helm of that division who has told them that he's not happy, simply better to pay and make the problem go away. The cost of paying me off versus the cost of the operation not performing isn't worth thinking about. I've seen it before, but never done it myself.
I run a high profile business that can't really afford to fail and they would not be keen to have someone at the helm of that division who has told them that he's not happy, simply better to pay and make the problem go away. The cost of paying me off versus the cost of the operation not performing isn't worth thinking about. I've seen it before, but never done it myself.
jamoor said:
Christ, does noone work in an honest fashion these days?
You dislike the job now? See if you can find another position in the company or leave, this is entirely your fault, it almost sounds as though you're looking to blackmail them.
Ah, if only life were this simple. The term "honest" long expired within may areas of British managment. Blackmail? Certainly not, I could go on the sick and really screw things up, paid for a year, difficult for them to fill my role etc, etc, but I'm not, I'm trying to help them and myself at the same time. You dislike the job now? See if you can find another position in the company or leave, this is entirely your fault, it almost sounds as though you're looking to blackmail them.
jamoor said:
Christ, does noone work in an honest fashion these days?
You dislike the job now? See if you can find another position in the company or leave, this is entirely your fault, it almost sounds as though you're looking to blackmail them.
You dislike the job now? See if you can find another position in the company or leave, this is entirely your fault, it almost sounds as though you're looking to blackmail them.
Integrity doesn't seem to be a strong point in this forum today. There's another bloke asking if he can still keep his discretionary paternity leave despite the fact he's handing in his notice!
Lancs Jag Boy said:
jamoor said:
Christ, does noone work in an honest fashion these days?
You dislike the job now? See if you can find another position in the company or leave, this is entirely your fault, it almost sounds as though you're looking to blackmail them.
Ah, if only life were this simple. The term "honest" long expired within may areas of British managment. Blackmail? Certainly not, I could go on the sick and really screw things up, paid for a year, difficult for them to fill my role etc, etc, but I'm not, I'm trying to help them and myself at the same time. You dislike the job now? See if you can find another position in the company or leave, this is entirely your fault, it almost sounds as though you're looking to blackmail them.
Why don't you just give in your notice and find another job?
Taita said:
bonsai said:
You take a flight almost every 2 days? Are you a pilot?
Quite, have you heard of webex/gotomeeting/teamviewer!jamoor said:
Lancs Jag Boy said:
jamoor said:
Christ, does noone work in an honest fashion these days?
You dislike the job now? See if you can find another position in the company or leave, this is entirely your fault, it almost sounds as though you're looking to blackmail them.
Ah, if only life were this simple. The term "honest" long expired within may areas of British managment. Blackmail? Certainly not, I could go on the sick and really screw things up, paid for a year, difficult for them to fill my role etc, etc, but I'm not, I'm trying to help them and myself at the same time. You dislike the job now? See if you can find another position in the company or leave, this is entirely your fault, it almost sounds as though you're looking to blackmail them.
Why don't you just give in your notice and find another job?
Kermit power said:
jamoor said:
Lancs Jag Boy said:
jamoor said:
Christ, does noone work in an honest fashion these days?
You dislike the job now? See if you can find another position in the company or leave, this is entirely your fault, it almost sounds as though you're looking to blackmail them.
Ah, if only life were this simple. The term "honest" long expired within may areas of British managment. Blackmail? Certainly not, I could go on the sick and really screw things up, paid for a year, difficult for them to fill my role etc, etc, but I'm not, I'm trying to help them and myself at the same time. You dislike the job now? See if you can find another position in the company or leave, this is entirely your fault, it almost sounds as though you're looking to blackmail them.
Why don't you just give in your notice and find another job?
Kermit power said:
jamoor said:
Lancs Jag Boy said:
jamoor said:
Christ, does noone work in an honest fashion these days?
You dislike the job now? See if you can find another position in the company or leave, this is entirely your fault, it almost sounds as though you're looking to blackmail them.
Ah, if only life were this simple. The term "honest" long expired within may areas of British managment. Blackmail? Certainly not, I could go on the sick and really screw things up, paid for a year, difficult for them to fill my role etc, etc, but I'm not, I'm trying to help them and myself at the same time. You dislike the job now? See if you can find another position in the company or leave, this is entirely your fault, it almost sounds as though you're looking to blackmail them.
Pride, hmm, yeah right very nice, but it's not taken at my local Tesco.
Why don't you just give in your notice and find another job?
What you are proposing sounds reasonable to me tbh as you are trying in essence to be helpful by making them aware that if they need to make people redundant they know they can come to see you. You do however run the risk that they get pissed with you and make you redundant on statutory immediately so be careful how you play it.
Mr POD said:
Join a union, go off sick with stress due to flights, get union to make an offer they can't refuse.
(Currently working at the MOD and it seems standard practice).
Do the right thing. Tell your boss you are not happy, explain why, point out roles you'd be better suited to within the same organisation, and what personal development you'd need to do it, and explain that you will help find a successor whilst you gain that experience. Point out how much you could save/make in the new role compared to what you do now. (Currently working at the MOD and it seems standard practice).
That's being honest.
I read this with some disbelief! You are not happy, but want to be paid to leave? You also talk about going sick/messing them around.
Grow some pride and find yourself another job, then resign....
In the meantime, talk with your manager, explain that you are not happy and at least this way, they can find someone who might want to do your job. They might even help you out of hte company, but the way you have phrased it so far it not looking good.
Grow some pride and find yourself another job, then resign....
In the meantime, talk with your manager, explain that you are not happy and at least this way, they can find someone who might want to do your job. They might even help you out of hte company, but the way you have phrased it so far it not looking good.
Lancs Jag Boy said:
Kermit power said:
jamoor said:
Lancs Jag Boy said:
jamoor said:
Christ, does noone work in an honest fashion these days?
You dislike the job now? See if you can find another position in the company or leave, this is entirely your fault, it almost sounds as though you're looking to blackmail them.
Ah, if only life were this simple. The term "honest" long expired within may areas of British managment. Blackmail? Certainly not, I could go on the sick and really screw things up, paid for a year, difficult for them to fill my role etc, etc, but I'm not, I'm trying to help them and myself at the same time. You dislike the job now? See if you can find another position in the company or leave, this is entirely your fault, it almost sounds as though you're looking to blackmail them.
Why don't you just give in your notice and find another job?
Assuming that is the case, they yes, I agree with you, but I'm not suggesting you just walk out.
I've had occasions in my career where I've decided I no longer like the job I'm doing. I have therefore got off my arse and found a different job that I do want to do. At that point, when I've accepted a written job offer, I've handed my notice in to my current employer. This, I think you will find, is what most people do.
What makes you different to everyone else which means you can't find another job and then hand in your notice?
Lancs Jag Boy said:
I’m looking for a severance package from my employer, as after eight years and as many bosses, and 150 flights per year, I’ve had enough. Now, I’m not in the habit of resigning and nor can afford to, so I’m planning on telling my boss that I’m not happy and should him be looking to cut costs in the future, then perhaps he would like to think of me and here is how much I’d go for. Plus I’d sign non-compete clause, help with a smooth transition over an agreed timescale and generally be good co-operative guy. The figure I need is my notice period plus about an additional 4 months salary were they willing to make me “redundant” and then I benefit from the tax free status of the first £30k. If not then I need a full years salary.
Now, my fear is that the employer says “no problem, you don’t like the role anymore, you can do this job”, when I have no interest in anything else within the group. My contract states clearly what my job is, so can I then say “thanks but that job is not for me, I will carry on doing what I’m doing”. My theory is that the employer doesn’t want a de-motivated manager in a vital position and it’s better to pay him off, than have him f*** up the business.
Good plan - why don't you also ask for a loyalty bonus?Now, my fear is that the employer says “no problem, you don’t like the role anymore, you can do this job”, when I have no interest in anything else within the group. My contract states clearly what my job is, so can I then say “thanks but that job is not for me, I will carry on doing what I’m doing”. My theory is that the employer doesn’t want a de-motivated manager in a vital position and it’s better to pay him off, than have him f*** up the business.
When you do come round to finding a new job, I usually won't entertain any employer that won't offer me a sign on fee of at least one years salary.
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Before you convince yourself of how indespensible you are, ask yourself this question. If you've had eight bosses in eight years. Why has it never been you?
To be honest if I were you boss, and you came to me with that, I would not only not offer you a severance package, I would watch you like a hawk and sack you after due process if you tried the "demotivated manager going to f*** up the busines" lark.
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