Freelance work issue...no HR ...legal???
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Hope this is the correct forum for this. Not car related , but hope you wise PHers can assist.
So, I work freelance on v short term gigs. Have done for years...ups and downs, buy generally fine.
One of my main clients changed the person who books us recently. Confident, competent, if inexperienced, single fella, mid 20s, lives for work and sport.
Anyway, he's decided that I'm no longer to be involved. Cites lack of enthusiasm, and difficulty in communication as reasons. Changed booking method from his work e mail to whatsapp and no response within 10-15 mins illicits a further WA.
Anyway, he's never said anything before, no warning, no notice, no problems and then after I sensed something was up, an apology for not handling things well, but that's it.
Probably 20% of my work, plus related to other clients,so I cant just tell him to stick it, unfortunately...i have a family to think of.
So, without notice, I'm missing out on a fair amount of work.
His reasons are demonstrably and clearly spurious.
He's clearly come to some other arrangement. An arrangement with people who have never shown loyalty and commitment to the company as I have done for years.
Well, all's fair in the freelance world, you might say, but the company he works for has always treated people fairly and looked after us.
This no notice, spurious reason stuff is shabby and not normally how the company is run.
I've called him out on his reasons and he says we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Shabby and unwarranted treatment has been my response...I'd previously had a good relationship with him.
If you're still with me (thank you!), obviously this would have been a matter for HR, but I'm freelance, so that isn't an option.
I've pointed out that his reasons are nonsense but he remains unmoved. He's young and inexperienced and doesn't see that thus is a major thing to do to me...he has no idea of family responsibilities etc.
I think he's expecting me to walk away meekly and take whatever scraps he offers me in the future, but no way.
His boss who I've known for years, is a decent and honorable fella and may be receptive to my point if view.
Its more like that anyone in the company will back him against a freelancer , but I cant just let this happen with some justifiable pushback.
As I say, I've been loyal to that company for years in a freelance context, and now he's favouring people who aren't.
Nothing to stop him, but its shoddy treatment and I'm furious. The way he's done it is sneaky too. Leaving it until it was too late fir me to try to make alternative arrangements
But what can I do?
He won't see sense.
Should I approach his boss and see if he's sympathetic ?
I assume there's no legal redress, though he has written e mails that are wrong in fact about my work and methods.
In truth, I do a very high standard of work without demonstrating the kind if youthful enthusiasm he might exude. That's the problem, and it shouldn't lead to this situation.
So, any thoughts, wisdom, experience, advice?
Thank you so much in advance.
So, I work freelance on v short term gigs. Have done for years...ups and downs, buy generally fine.
One of my main clients changed the person who books us recently. Confident, competent, if inexperienced, single fella, mid 20s, lives for work and sport.
Anyway, he's decided that I'm no longer to be involved. Cites lack of enthusiasm, and difficulty in communication as reasons. Changed booking method from his work e mail to whatsapp and no response within 10-15 mins illicits a further WA.
Anyway, he's never said anything before, no warning, no notice, no problems and then after I sensed something was up, an apology for not handling things well, but that's it.
Probably 20% of my work, plus related to other clients,so I cant just tell him to stick it, unfortunately...i have a family to think of.
So, without notice, I'm missing out on a fair amount of work.
His reasons are demonstrably and clearly spurious.
He's clearly come to some other arrangement. An arrangement with people who have never shown loyalty and commitment to the company as I have done for years.
Well, all's fair in the freelance world, you might say, but the company he works for has always treated people fairly and looked after us.
This no notice, spurious reason stuff is shabby and not normally how the company is run.
I've called him out on his reasons and he says we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Shabby and unwarranted treatment has been my response...I'd previously had a good relationship with him.
If you're still with me (thank you!), obviously this would have been a matter for HR, but I'm freelance, so that isn't an option.
I've pointed out that his reasons are nonsense but he remains unmoved. He's young and inexperienced and doesn't see that thus is a major thing to do to me...he has no idea of family responsibilities etc.
I think he's expecting me to walk away meekly and take whatever scraps he offers me in the future, but no way.
His boss who I've known for years, is a decent and honorable fella and may be receptive to my point if view.
Its more like that anyone in the company will back him against a freelancer , but I cant just let this happen with some justifiable pushback.
As I say, I've been loyal to that company for years in a freelance context, and now he's favouring people who aren't.
Nothing to stop him, but its shoddy treatment and I'm furious. The way he's done it is sneaky too. Leaving it until it was too late fir me to try to make alternative arrangements
But what can I do?
He won't see sense.
Should I approach his boss and see if he's sympathetic ?
I assume there's no legal redress, though he has written e mails that are wrong in fact about my work and methods.
In truth, I do a very high standard of work without demonstrating the kind if youthful enthusiasm he might exude. That's the problem, and it shouldn't lead to this situation.
So, any thoughts, wisdom, experience, advice?
Thank you so much in advance.
Sorry, admin.....Hope this is the correct forum for this. Not car related , but hope you wise PHers can assist.
So, I work freelance on v short term gigs. Have done for years...ups and downs, buy generally fine.
One of my main clients changed the person who books us recently. Confident, competent, if inexperienced, single fella, mid 20s, lives for work and sport.
Anyway, he's decided that I'm no longer to be involved. Cites lack of enthusiasm, and difficulty in communication as reasons. Changed booking method from his work e mail to whatsapp and no response within 10-15 mins illicits a further WA.
Anyway, he's never said anything before, no warning, no notice, no problems and then after I sensed something was up, an apology for not handling things well, but that's it.
Probably 20% of my work, plus related to other clients,so I cant just tell him to stick it, unfortunately...i have a family to think of.
So, without notice, I'm missing out on a fair amount of work.
His reasons are demonstrably and clearly spurious.
He's clearly come to some other arrangement. An arrangement with people who have never shown loyalty and commitment to the company as I have done for years.
Well, all's fair in the freelance world, you might say, but the company he works for has always treated people fairly and looked after us.
This no notice, spurious reason stuff is shabby and not normally how the company is run.
I've called him out on his reasons and he says we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Shabby and unwarranted treatment has been my response...I'd previously had a good relationship with him.
If you're still with me (thank you!), obviously this would have been a matter for HR, but I'm freelance, so that isn't an option.
I've pointed out that his reasons are nonsense but he remains unmoved. He's young and inexperienced and doesn't see that thus is a major thing to do to me...he has no idea of family responsibilities etc.
I think he's expecting me to walk away meekly and take whatever scraps he offers me in the future, but no way.
His boss who I've known for years, is a decent and honorable fella and may be receptive to my point if view.
Its more like that anyone in the company will back him against a freelancer , but I cant just let this happen with some justifiable pushback.
As I say, I've been loyal to that company for years in a freelance context, and now he's favouring people who aren't.
Nothing to stop him, but its shoddy treatment and I'm furious. The way he's done it is sneaky too. Leaving it until it was too late fir me to try to make alternative arrangements
But what can I do?
He won't see sense.
Should I approach his boss and see if he's sympathetic ?
I assume there's no legal redress, though he has written e mails that are wrong in fact about my work and methods.
In truth, I do a very high standard of work without demonstrating the kind if youthful enthusiasm he might exude. That's the problem, and it shouldn't lead to this situation.
So, any thoughts, wisdom, experience, advice?
Thank you so much in advance
So, I work freelance on v short term gigs. Have done for years...ups and downs, buy generally fine.
One of my main clients changed the person who books us recently. Confident, competent, if inexperienced, single fella, mid 20s, lives for work and sport.
Anyway, he's decided that I'm no longer to be involved. Cites lack of enthusiasm, and difficulty in communication as reasons. Changed booking method from his work e mail to whatsapp and no response within 10-15 mins illicits a further WA.
Anyway, he's never said anything before, no warning, no notice, no problems and then after I sensed something was up, an apology for not handling things well, but that's it.
Probably 20% of my work, plus related to other clients,so I cant just tell him to stick it, unfortunately...i have a family to think of.
So, without notice, I'm missing out on a fair amount of work.
His reasons are demonstrably and clearly spurious.
He's clearly come to some other arrangement. An arrangement with people who have never shown loyalty and commitment to the company as I have done for years.
Well, all's fair in the freelance world, you might say, but the company he works for has always treated people fairly and looked after us.
This no notice, spurious reason stuff is shabby and not normally how the company is run.
I've called him out on his reasons and he says we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Shabby and unwarranted treatment has been my response...I'd previously had a good relationship with him.
If you're still with me (thank you!), obviously this would have been a matter for HR, but I'm freelance, so that isn't an option.
I've pointed out that his reasons are nonsense but he remains unmoved. He's young and inexperienced and doesn't see that thus is a major thing to do to me...he has no idea of family responsibilities etc.
I think he's expecting me to walk away meekly and take whatever scraps he offers me in the future, but no way.
His boss who I've known for years, is a decent and honorable fella and may be receptive to my point if view.
Its more like that anyone in the company will back him against a freelancer , but I cant just let this happen with some justifiable pushback.
As I say, I've been loyal to that company for years in a freelance context, and now he's favouring people who aren't.
Nothing to stop him, but its shoddy treatment and I'm furious. The way he's done it is sneaky too. Leaving it until it was too late fir me to try to make alternative arrangements
But what can I do?
He won't see sense.
Should I approach his boss and see if he's sympathetic ?
I assume there's no legal redress, though he has written e mails that are wrong in fact about my work and methods.
In truth, I do a very high standard of work without demonstrating the kind if youthful enthusiasm he might exude. That's the problem, and it shouldn't lead to this situation.
So, any thoughts, wisdom, experience, advice?
Thank you so much in advance
Wow...that was quick...slow day at work today, eh, gents?! 😊
Many, many thanks for your thoughts, chaps; very much appreciated.
I'm very lucky that I've been in this industry for over 20 years, more than half of that as a freelancer.
Of course, I understand there are ups and down s, but I've been lucky enough to have carved out an interesting career for myself with plenty of fun and adventure (and money) along the way.
Perhaps I've had enough of low level hustling now that I'm getting older, and, of course, I've never had a day's sick pay or paid holiday...thems the breaks; all fine.
Buy I've never been questioned like this. And certainly not by a know-nothing young pup who's been promoted beyond his ability and experience.
I'd never say that to him of course, but that's the situation.
I'm gonna try and reason with him one more time and hope that he sees the sense that is in front t of him. I'm not optimistic, though, so I'll allude to meeting the boss (who's pay grade is way above this type of trifling matter) and see how that works.
That's the nuclear option, to be honest.
Someone gave some neutral buy mildly questioning feedback to this guy recently...that observation, which was intended to be helpful, was labelled a complaint and used against them.
I might just jack it all in and get a job with Sports Direct or Ryan Air!
Thanks again...keep the thoughts and advice coming....we'll see what happens.
Many, many thanks for your thoughts, chaps; very much appreciated.
I'm very lucky that I've been in this industry for over 20 years, more than half of that as a freelancer.
Of course, I understand there are ups and down s, but I've been lucky enough to have carved out an interesting career for myself with plenty of fun and adventure (and money) along the way.
Perhaps I've had enough of low level hustling now that I'm getting older, and, of course, I've never had a day's sick pay or paid holiday...thems the breaks; all fine.
Buy I've never been questioned like this. And certainly not by a know-nothing young pup who's been promoted beyond his ability and experience.
I'd never say that to him of course, but that's the situation.
I'm gonna try and reason with him one more time and hope that he sees the sense that is in front t of him. I'm not optimistic, though, so I'll allude to meeting the boss (who's pay grade is way above this type of trifling matter) and see how that works.
That's the nuclear option, to be honest.
Someone gave some neutral buy mildly questioning feedback to this guy recently...that observation, which was intended to be helpful, was labelled a complaint and used against them.
I might just jack it all in and get a job with Sports Direct or Ryan Air!
Thanks again...keep the thoughts and advice coming....we'll see what happens.
Wow...that was quick...slow day at work today, eh, gents?! 😊
Many, many thanks for your thoughts, chaps; very much appreciated.
I'm very lucky that I've been in this industry for over 20 years, more than half of that as a freelancer.
Of course, I understand there are ups and down s, but I've been lucky enough to have carved out an interesting career for myself with plenty of fun and adventure (and money) along the way.
Perhaps I've had enough of low level hustling now that I'm getting older, and, of course, I've never had a day's sick pay or paid holiday...thems the breaks; all fine.
Buy I've never been questioned like this. And certainly not by a know-nothing young pup who's been promoted beyond his ability and experience.
I'd never say that to him of course, but that's the situation.
I'm gonna try and reason with him one more time and hope that he sees the sense that is in front t of him. I'm not optimistic, though, so I'll allude to meeting the boss (who's pay grade is way above this type of trifling matter) and see how that works.
That's the nuclear option, to be honest.
Someone gave some neutral buy mildly questioning feedback to this guy recently...that observation, which was intended to be helpful, was labelled a complaint and used against them.
I might just jack it all in and get a job with Sports Direct or Ryan Air!
Thanks again...keep the thoughts and advice coming....we'll see what happens
Many, many thanks for your thoughts, chaps; very much appreciated.
I'm very lucky that I've been in this industry for over 20 years, more than half of that as a freelancer.
Of course, I understand there are ups and down s, but I've been lucky enough to have carved out an interesting career for myself with plenty of fun and adventure (and money) along the way.
Perhaps I've had enough of low level hustling now that I'm getting older, and, of course, I've never had a day's sick pay or paid holiday...thems the breaks; all fine.
Buy I've never been questioned like this. And certainly not by a know-nothing young pup who's been promoted beyond his ability and experience.
I'd never say that to him of course, but that's the situation.
I'm gonna try and reason with him one more time and hope that he sees the sense that is in front t of him. I'm not optimistic, though, so I'll allude to meeting the boss (who's pay grade is way above this type of trifling matter) and see how that works.
That's the nuclear option, to be honest.
Someone gave some neutral buy mildly questioning feedback to this guy recently...that observation, which was intended to be helpful, was labelled a complaint and used against them.
I might just jack it all in and get a job with Sports Direct or Ryan Air!
Thanks again...keep the thoughts and advice coming....we'll see what happens
Hey, thanks again for the replies...yep, I'm freelance, have been for 11-12 years...am fully aware of the flux that can happen, never been paid a day in sick pay or holiday...fully happy with all that.
However, I have never seen or heard of anyone being treated with such shoddyness...people seem to think that this is either fair enough, par for the course or even a good thing.
I never, ever accept anything in my professional/working life that I wouldn't accept in my personal life. Rudeness, sexism, racism, shouting, aggression...I call them all out and people who either accept that kind of s
t or even encourage it can fk themselves.
People seem so meek and timid sometimes. Not good enough; don't let yourselves down.
Still, another 60-70K year...who knows how long it'll last, but I will not taint myself by association with ignorant/nasty idiots or enabling them by compliance and complicity.
And breathe....:-)
However, I have never seen or heard of anyone being treated with such shoddyness...people seem to think that this is either fair enough, par for the course or even a good thing.
I never, ever accept anything in my professional/working life that I wouldn't accept in my personal life. Rudeness, sexism, racism, shouting, aggression...I call them all out and people who either accept that kind of s
t or even encourage it can fk themselves.People seem so meek and timid sometimes. Not good enough; don't let yourselves down.
Still, another 60-70K year...who knows how long it'll last, but I will not taint myself by association with ignorant/nasty idiots or enabling them by compliance and complicity.
And breathe....:-)
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