4th gen Z28 question
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Hi all - I've got a couple of questions regarding 4th gen Z28s and was hoping that you could help
1) apart from exhaust, mirrors and lights what's the difference between a US and Euro-spec Z28?
2) is there any advantage to buying a US import over a Euro-spec?
3) what's the difference between a Z28 and an SS - as far as I know it's just exhaust (again!), air intake and (on some) ram-air hood. Presumably if the exhaust is replace and a CAI system fitted a Z would perform just as well as an SS?
4) if I remember correctly 1999 and up have traction control (which can be turned off) is this correct?
5) anything else to look out for specifically on the 'maros?
I'm not too worried about the mpgs since round about the 30 mark on a run is fine - obviously if you t
t the loud pedal then you'll see the figures drop ditto round town
I'll probably have a few more questions over the next few weeks but for now I hope you'll be able to assist (:
1) apart from exhaust, mirrors and lights what's the difference between a US and Euro-spec Z28?
2) is there any advantage to buying a US import over a Euro-spec?
3) what's the difference between a Z28 and an SS - as far as I know it's just exhaust (again!), air intake and (on some) ram-air hood. Presumably if the exhaust is replace and a CAI system fitted a Z would perform just as well as an SS?
4) if I remember correctly 1999 and up have traction control (which can be turned off) is this correct?
5) anything else to look out for specifically on the 'maros?
I'm not too worried about the mpgs since round about the 30 mark on a run is fine - obviously if you t
t the loud pedal then you'll see the figures drop ditto round townI'll probably have a few more questions over the next few weeks but for now I hope you'll be able to assist (:
fk ME!!! Thanks for all the extra info 300.
I guess I should have been a little clearer in some of my posting there lol
Currently only interested in the LS1 which means I'm looking at a facelift version... can't be dealing with red or black on this car but other than that open to being persuaded. As far as I am concerned the auto is the only way to go.
Did the Eurospec (ES) ever come with steering wheel controls for the stereo (probably the 1st thing to go if I end up getting one since all my music is mp3/iPod)?
As far as modding goes I'd have to get rid of the ES mirrors asap as they look dreadful (IMO), if it's ES with km/h a good quality dial over-lay would work quite nicely (may still be worthwhile even if in mp/h). Most mods would be cosmetic as 300/325 geegees is plenty for the moment (though a decent exhaust system/CAI would be a must, gotta sound/breathe right). Again if I do end up getting one it could be interesting as a good friend has a ram-air T/A which has pretty much the same mods that I'm talking about, though who's to say that a different cam and chip won't end up finding their way into it <grin>.
I guess that the other main question I forgot about is what rear-end is in the ES cars? If I remember correctly f-bodies went 2.73, 3.23, 3.43, 3.73, 4.10? Now a 4.10 over here would be pointless for the M-way and A-roads and a 2.73 would, I suspect, really hurt the performance on the twisty bits. I know you can buy different internals from just about anyone in the US but that's something I'd really want to avoid.
k ME!!! Thanks for all the extra info 300.I guess I should have been a little clearer in some of my posting there lol
Currently only interested in the LS1 which means I'm looking at a facelift version... can't be dealing with red or black on this car but other than that open to being persuaded. As far as I am concerned the auto is the only way to go.
Did the Eurospec (ES) ever come with steering wheel controls for the stereo (probably the 1st thing to go if I end up getting one since all my music is mp3/iPod)?
As far as modding goes I'd have to get rid of the ES mirrors asap as they look dreadful (IMO), if it's ES with km/h a good quality dial over-lay would work quite nicely (may still be worthwhile even if in mp/h). Most mods would be cosmetic as 300/325 geegees is plenty for the moment (though a decent exhaust system/CAI would be a must, gotta sound/breathe right). Again if I do end up getting one it could be interesting as a good friend has a ram-air T/A which has pretty much the same mods that I'm talking about, though who's to say that a different cam and chip won't end up finding their way into it <grin>.
I guess that the other main question I forgot about is what rear-end is in the ES cars? If I remember correctly f-bodies went 2.73, 3.23, 3.43, 3.73, 4.10? Now a 4.10 over here would be pointless for the M-way and A-roads and a 2.73 would, I suspect, really hurt the performance on the twisty bits. I know you can buy different internals from just about anyone in the US but that's something I'd really want to avoid.
Once again you guys have done me proud - loads of stuff to look through which is specific to the UK market (and that's something that LS1tech and Z28.com can't really help with). Will hopefully be getting a test drive of one tomorrow and truth be told it's really the one that ticks all the boxes (colour and some of the mods I've been talking about)... will let you all know how things go (mind you it THEN all depends on Mrs Z28 liking it.....)
as far as mods go I have seen a pic of LU51's 'maro (in fact I'm pretty sure I saw it a Billing a number of years ago) and loved the grille at the fron together with the UK # plate, though I'd be tempted to run without one like I used to do on my old 3rd gen, which incidentaly was where I was remembering most of my rear axle stuff from.
I was totally unaware of the 98 LS1 being so different from the following ones - I suppose the question there is this, is that a
1998 model year - ie a 1997 Camaro
1998 engine as above
1998 engine in a 1998 car
or even a 1998 engine in a E/S 1999 Camaro?
On the tuning side does CAI and/or exhaust count as tuning or is that one of the things that can be done regardless of LS type?
Is there any way to check which engine it is? Though again in fairness at about 300bhp I'm not going to be too worried if I can't do too much to it lol
Again I guess to be brutally honest if tomorrow's one doesn't work out for whatever reason there's always the show season coming up with (normally!!) a fair few cars for sale
as far as mods go I have seen a pic of LU51's 'maro (in fact I'm pretty sure I saw it a Billing a number of years ago) and loved the grille at the fron together with the UK # plate, though I'd be tempted to run without one like I used to do on my old 3rd gen, which incidentaly was where I was remembering most of my rear axle stuff from.
I was totally unaware of the 98 LS1 being so different from the following ones - I suppose the question there is this, is that a
1998 model year - ie a 1997 Camaro
1998 engine as above
1998 engine in a 1998 car
or even a 1998 engine in a E/S 1999 Camaro?
On the tuning side does CAI and/or exhaust count as tuning or is that one of the things that can be done regardless of LS type?
Is there any way to check which engine it is? Though again in fairness at about 300bhp I'm not going to be too worried if I can't do too much to it lol
Again I guess to be brutally honest if tomorrow's one doesn't work out for whatever reason there's always the show season coming up with (normally!!) a fair few cars for sale
well I've been and seen the car and will have to go back for a 2nd look... lots of good stuff (some of which wasn't expected) and a few bit that will need looking at (though it's been promised should I end up buying that these issues will be resolved). One of the smaller/non-issues is the typical dealer's insistance that the dash is smothered in dash polish of some sort or another and is horribly glossy (WTF do they do that????)
That aside I've got to try for a longer and more varied drive as it really didn't seem to have the 'urge' I expected (now part of that may well be that I really don't want to rag the st out of a car I'm testing together with a lack of familiarity about the car), a little go on the twisties should also be in order to try out the other aspects. In terms of build quality however it did seem quite good with no creaks or groans or rattles which on an 11year old car is good to see (and the t-tops seemed to be spot on too)
One question is how quick should they pick up in normal driving? Obviously if I stamp on the loud pedal it should take off like a scalded cat, what about 1/2 or 3/4 throttle though - should that also be "hold tight and shut up" or just swift? Handling wise I would expect the Z to be pretty much on the money as a modern(ish) car - or will it be let down by the fact it's just an updating from an 80s design? I know that memory is a fickle mistress - but it does strike me that my old IROC was a little more eager (though obviously as that was my car I drove it more 'enthusiastically')
That aside I've got to try for a longer and more varied drive as it really didn't seem to have the 'urge' I expected (now part of that may well be that I really don't want to rag the s
t out of a car I'm testing together with a lack of familiarity about the car), a little go on the twisties should also be in order to try out the other aspects. In terms of build quality however it did seem quite good with no creaks or groans or rattles which on an 11year old car is good to see (and the t-tops seemed to be spot on too)One question is how quick should they pick up in normal driving? Obviously if I stamp on the loud pedal it should take off like a scalded cat, what about 1/2 or 3/4 throttle though - should that also be "hold tight and shut up" or just swift? Handling wise I would expect the Z to be pretty much on the money as a modern(ish) car - or will it be let down by the fact it's just an updating from an 80s design? I know that memory is a fickle mistress - but it does strike me that my old IROC was a little more eager (though obviously as that was my car I drove it more 'enthusiastically')
defo not a M6... only auto for me
I guess that the throttle response is maybe suffering a little since I can't help comparing it to a Lightning I used to own a few years back (which was 'interesting' in the wet) though truth be told I'd have thought that on a power-to-weight basis ratio the 'Maro should feel quicker, maybe that huffer makes it feel a little more 'urgent' ... not too worried about 100mph+ (though it did seem to pull quite nicely from 70-100 - the problem I had was on the dual carriage way the tramlining really didn't inspire too much confidence, something I do remember from my IROC days).
The t-tops looked to be in good nick with no rust at all apparent in the housings, something I remember all too well from the old 3rd gens, in fact not even any moisture I could spot which does bode well for water-tightness.
I can see that washing will be a 'mare though as that spoiler will require a hose and (very) slim, soft brush to clean out underneath it. The hatch glass also looks like it likes to trap detritus as it's not a flush fit with the rest of the tailgate.
I guess that the throttle response is maybe suffering a little since I can't help comparing it to a Lightning I used to own a few years back (which was 'interesting' in the wet) though truth be told I'd have thought that on a power-to-weight basis ratio the 'Maro should feel quicker, maybe that huffer makes it feel a little more 'urgent' ... not too worried about 100mph+ (though it did seem to pull quite nicely from 70-100 - the problem I had was on the dual carriage way the tramlining really didn't inspire too much confidence, something I do remember from my IROC days).
The t-tops looked to be in good nick with no rust at all apparent in the housings, something I remember all too well from the old 3rd gens, in fact not even any moisture I could spot which does bode well for water-tightness.
I can see that washing will be a 'mare though as that spoiler will require a hose and (very) slim, soft brush to clean out underneath it. The hatch glass also looks like it likes to trap detritus as it's not a flush fit with the rest of the tailgate.
TEKNOPUG said:
Thanks, I'll keep my eye on them.
Are the Pontiac versions worth the premium over the Camaros, performance-wise? Or are they just better specced?
in fairness I do know where there might be a top-notch WS6 TransAm for sale - only problem for me is it's black... not cheap but then the condition is top notch happy to find out if the guy is actually serious about selling it if you like?Are the Pontiac versions worth the premium over the Camaros, performance-wise? Or are they just better specced?
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