Discussion
I'm a big fan of the original EZM1 so it was with interest I saw Sinn had released a limited edition of 500 in a new case using their SZ01 movement - in all I think it's a great re-issue...
I think if you look at it in the context of a 're-issue' and compare to other recent re-issues such as the Pelagos, the Heuer Carrera, Skipper and the Zenith Cairelli then it stands up well - it still retains the primary design features that make the watch unique and hasn't over-egged the pudding with any additional script (except the 'SZ01' in gloss black) or fundamental changes.
Points I notice are the slightly thicker minute hand, the small gloss script and the D3 pusher system and the reverting to a triangular rather than trapezoid lume pip. Depth is 200m (down from the 300m EZM1 - and 100m up from the Damasko DC80). The more contentious points are the size - I find the original the perfect size for me but wouldn't consider a 3mm size up to be too outrageous - it's the size of most watches on the market at the moment I guess so fits with that aspect. Secondly the material - steel (albeit tegimented') rather than Titanium is a shame I think as the Titanium is warm, light, naturally dull and fits so well for the original - but again, this wouldn't be a deal breaker for me considering what it is/does. It keeps the classic Heuer-shaped case, lugs and they didn't go down the EZM13/Tutima M2 route and use the integrated pushers.
One of my main 'loves' is the L5100 - a movement unpopular with watchmakers (that's what we pay them for... ) but good for watch wearers imo, and although a modified 7750 doesn't hold that same allure for me I'm pragmatic enough to recognise it does the job and seems a fair modification/substitution bearing in mind the L5100 is no more anyway.
Competition? Well, there's the cheaper, arguably 'better' original and the coincidentally about to be released Damasko DC80; the DC80 has a totally different look to it - more Sinn U1 than EZM with it's more 'modern', flat styling, but what grates with me about it is the 'unnecessary' cross-hair on the dial, the thicker minute hashes, no needle point on the minute hand and the unmatched lume length on the second hand - not as clean and neat as the original execution nor as focused on practical purpose - the essential point for a simple 'mission timer' [which in fairness the Damasko doesn't describe itself as]. Just a tad too much cosmetic for me, but still a great watch with essentially the best chronograph display method, so kudos for that.
I'd like to see one in the flesh, and wouldn't say no to having one necessarily - I think Sinn did a good job that at least brings the centre chronograph back into play in it's purest format; if I wasn't so enamoured with the originals and if I wanted a new watch rather than an almost vintage one, I'd happily give it a go - in that context and in today's market, the EZM1.1 is an outstanding watch.
From user 'SinnCity' over on UhrForum -
On the down side, it's another version to complete a set...
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I think if you look at it in the context of a 're-issue' and compare to other recent re-issues such as the Pelagos, the Heuer Carrera, Skipper and the Zenith Cairelli then it stands up well - it still retains the primary design features that make the watch unique and hasn't over-egged the pudding with any additional script (except the 'SZ01' in gloss black) or fundamental changes.
Points I notice are the slightly thicker minute hand, the small gloss script and the D3 pusher system and the reverting to a triangular rather than trapezoid lume pip. Depth is 200m (down from the 300m EZM1 - and 100m up from the Damasko DC80). The more contentious points are the size - I find the original the perfect size for me but wouldn't consider a 3mm size up to be too outrageous - it's the size of most watches on the market at the moment I guess so fits with that aspect. Secondly the material - steel (albeit tegimented') rather than Titanium is a shame I think as the Titanium is warm, light, naturally dull and fits so well for the original - but again, this wouldn't be a deal breaker for me considering what it is/does. It keeps the classic Heuer-shaped case, lugs and they didn't go down the EZM13/Tutima M2 route and use the integrated pushers.
One of my main 'loves' is the L5100 - a movement unpopular with watchmakers (that's what we pay them for... ) but good for watch wearers imo, and although a modified 7750 doesn't hold that same allure for me I'm pragmatic enough to recognise it does the job and seems a fair modification/substitution bearing in mind the L5100 is no more anyway.
Competition? Well, there's the cheaper, arguably 'better' original and the coincidentally about to be released Damasko DC80; the DC80 has a totally different look to it - more Sinn U1 than EZM with it's more 'modern', flat styling, but what grates with me about it is the 'unnecessary' cross-hair on the dial, the thicker minute hashes, no needle point on the minute hand and the unmatched lume length on the second hand - not as clean and neat as the original execution nor as focused on practical purpose - the essential point for a simple 'mission timer' [which in fairness the Damasko doesn't describe itself as]. Just a tad too much cosmetic for me, but still a great watch with essentially the best chronograph display method, so kudos for that.
I'd like to see one in the flesh, and wouldn't say no to having one necessarily - I think Sinn did a good job that at least brings the centre chronograph back into play in it's purest format; if I wasn't so enamoured with the originals and if I wanted a new watch rather than an almost vintage one, I'd happily give it a go - in that context and in today's market, the EZM1.1 is an outstanding watch.
From user 'SinnCity' over on UhrForum -
On the down side, it's another version to complete a set...
!I like it although it's a real shame that it isn't titanium. A little smaller would suit me although much of that depends on what the lug-to-lug is. It looks quite long in the photos. My only other bugbear is the price. It's at least £1K more expensive that the 140st which shares the same SZ01 movement. I know Sinn have had to modify it to suit the 1.1 but even so...
It's not uncommon for brands to release re-issues that have been tweaked just that little bit too much, with too many details changed and/or one or two more obvious differences that come close to making the watch look like a new stand-alone model rather than be something of the past, Sinn haven't screwed this one up. It's a little larger however, as said, that's pretty much in keeping with the tool-watch trend and it's no bigger than some other Sinns, it also retains the proportions of the original. That case shape is iconic, as is the centre chrono, the destro pushers and the handset, it couldn't be called a re-issue if they dared to tamper with any of that.. The 7750 is a robust movement, as long as it has been carefully modified there's no concern there, and I can forgive them for dropping titanium seeing as they've chosen to use tegimented steel instead - regular steel wouldn't have cut the mustard here.
The only downer is the price, when you can pick up a sort after original for less how much demand will there be for the new model? I suppose that it'll be easier to source, and for some the larger size will be a bonus.
Oh, while I'm a big fan of Damasko I'd choose the Sinn despite the DC80 supposedly being a chunk cheaper. There's no date on the Damasko and there's no need for those minute markers to be so long, if it had the same dial as my DA44 it would look a lot less cramped around the outer edge. And who is responsible for the new movement? Sinn has a record of modifying movements and Damasko has a couple of their own, was it a tie-up or was it Sinn's own work with Damasko then buying it in?
Web pic of the DC80
The only downer is the price, when you can pick up a sort after original for less how much demand will there be for the new model? I suppose that it'll be easier to source, and for some the larger size will be a bonus.
Oh, while I'm a big fan of Damasko I'd choose the Sinn despite the DC80 supposedly being a chunk cheaper. There's no date on the Damasko and there's no need for those minute markers to be so long, if it had the same dial as my DA44 it would look a lot less cramped around the outer edge. And who is responsible for the new movement? Sinn has a record of modifying movements and Damasko has a couple of their own, was it a tie-up or was it Sinn's own work with Damasko then buying it in?
Web pic of the DC80
Edited by CardShark on Friday 8th September 23:59
As of yesterday afternoon they'd taken 472 orders apparently, so clearly doing something right!
The price is steep in some respects - but compare to the other watches using the movement that are considered 'top of the range' and you have:
Sinn 140: £4050
EZM 1.1: £4800
EZM 10: £4760
So expensive, but not so much of an outlier.
The movement started life as a joint project with Damasko when they and Sinn were collaborators; I think there was a falling out along the way and probably a large proportion of the delay to market was caused by legalities - it's not coincidence both have released at the same time, even though we knew about the DC80 a few years ago...
CS - here's a photoshopped version of the Damasko without some of those criticised points:
(Courtesy gwells @ DiveWatchForum)
...and you sum up the best bit - 'Sinn haven't screwed this one up' - they certainly haven't and for that we should be grateful, the more I see the 'real' pictures and the the more I view it on its own merits, the more attractive it becomes...
From 'Eurocontroller':
The price is steep in some respects - but compare to the other watches using the movement that are considered 'top of the range' and you have:
Sinn 140: £4050
EZM 1.1: £4800
EZM 10: £4760
So expensive, but not so much of an outlier.
The movement started life as a joint project with Damasko when they and Sinn were collaborators; I think there was a falling out along the way and probably a large proportion of the delay to market was caused by legalities - it's not coincidence both have released at the same time, even though we knew about the DC80 a few years ago...
CS - here's a photoshopped version of the Damasko without some of those criticised points:
(Courtesy gwells @ DiveWatchForum)
...and you sum up the best bit - 'Sinn haven't screwed this one up' - they certainly haven't and for that we should be grateful, the more I see the 'real' pictures and the the more I view it on its own merits, the more attractive it becomes...
From 'Eurocontroller':
andy_s said:
As of yesterday afternoon they'd taken 472 orders apparently, so clearly doing something right!
The price is steep in some respects - but compare to the other watches using the movement that are considered 'top of the range' and you have:
Sinn 140: £4050
EZM 1.1: £4800
EZM 10: £4760
So expensive, but not so much of an outlier.
The movement started life as a joint project with Damasko when they and Sinn were collaborators; I think there was a falling out along the way and probably a large proportion of the delay to market was caused by legalities - it's not coincidence both have released at the same time, even though we knew about the DC80 a few years ago...
CS - here's a photoshopped version of the Damasko without some of those criticised points:
(Courtesy gwells @ DiveWatchForum)
...and you sum up the best bit - 'Sinn haven't screwed this one up' - they certainly haven't and for that we should be grateful, the more I see the 'real' pictures and the the more I view it on its own merits, the more attractive it becomes...
Given the status of the original and that they're tricky to get hold of I suppose it's no surprise that the 1.1 is popular, and given the price of the 140 and EZM10 with their respective case materials and movements it does make the 1.1's price more palatable. I wonder how the prices of both the originals and the re-issue will fare in the coming months on the pre-owned market?The price is steep in some respects - but compare to the other watches using the movement that are considered 'top of the range' and you have:
Sinn 140: £4050
EZM 1.1: £4800
EZM 10: £4760
So expensive, but not so much of an outlier.
The movement started life as a joint project with Damasko when they and Sinn were collaborators; I think there was a falling out along the way and probably a large proportion of the delay to market was caused by legalities - it's not coincidence both have released at the same time, even though we knew about the DC80 a few years ago...
CS - here's a photoshopped version of the Damasko without some of those criticised points:
(Courtesy gwells @ DiveWatchForum)
...and you sum up the best bit - 'Sinn haven't screwed this one up' - they certainly haven't and for that we should be grateful, the more I see the 'real' pictures and the the more I view it on its own merits, the more attractive it becomes...
Unfortunately the link to the photoshopped DC80 is broken, the more I look at Damasko's own take on it the more my eyes hurt. It should be a really clean easy-to-read dial, the combination of that handset and choice of hour and minute markers ruins it. Little details like the needle-like tips to the minute and chrono hands on the 1.1 coupled with the size of the markers makes so much difference.
Very, very, very, very desirable. Something of a grail for me, but ooof, how much ?
5000€ puts it up against some stiff competition.
A 3F is a third of that price and still has the 1 visuals.
I'm not surprised they are selling well, but I don't think it could carry that price if it wasn't a limited edition.
5000€ puts it up against some stiff competition.
A 3F is a third of that price and still has the 1 visuals.
I'm not surprised they are selling well, but I don't think it could carry that price if it wasn't a limited edition.
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