Plane crash at Southend airport

[Tony1963]

A 12 metre plane has crashed, lots of dark smoke, that s about all we know at the moment.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/so...

[The Mad Monk]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1jw71kjx14o

[airbusA346]

Twitter saying it's a Dutch registered (PH-ZAZ) Beech B200 Super King Air from Lelystad.

https://x.com/OnDisasters/status/19444247459795640...

[Tisy]

airbusA346 said:

Twitter saying it's a Dutch registered (PH-ZAZ) Beech B200 Super King Air from Lelystad.

https://x.com/OnDisasters/status/19444247459795640...

Came in from Pula at 2.50pm and was departing an hour later to Lelystad when it crashed on take off. It's Zeusch Aviation, Netherlands general aviation outfit. RIP

[Trevatanus]

Tisy said:

airbusA346 said:

Twitter saying it's a Dutch registered (PH-ZAZ) Beech B200 Super King Air from Lelystad.

https://x.com/OnDisasters/status/19444247459795640...

Came in from Pula at 2.50pm and was departing an hour later to Lelystad when it crashed on take off. It's Zeusch Aviation, Netherlands general aviation outfit. RIP

There’s no silver lining there, other than the fact it was hopefully returning to home base, with only minimum occupants.

[Pincher]

Medical plane apparently.

[Tisy]

Pincher said:

Medical plane apparently.

It's multi-role. Can be outfitted for medevac, pax charters and from recent pics seems to have been fitted for aerial survey work too as it has a mapping turret installed underneath.

[airbusA346]

Tisy said:

Came in from Pula at 2.50pm and was departing an hour later to Lelystad when it crashed on take off. It's Zeusch Aviation, Netherlands general aviation outfit. RIP

Ah OK, misread the photo/screenshot.

[surveyor]

I had read that twin engine light plans are much more of a handful single engine, and that performance is much more marginal on one engine, than airliners.

Can any pilots comment? Curious..

[DrDeAtH]

Eye witness reports that it took off and rolled to port at about 150ft, then rolled into a nosedive shortly after.

Airport to remain shut today thus far.

[anonymous-user]

Do these little tiddlers have CVR/FDR etc as per big jets?

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 14th July 13:52

[48k]

surveyor said:

I had read that twin engine light plans are much more of a handful single engine, and that performance is much more marginal on one engine, than airliners.

Can any pilots comment? Curious..

Yes. Light twin piston engined aircraft will climb on a single engine but they obviously have nowhere near the excess of power of modern turbofan twin jets. They have a lot less inertia and losing an engine at critical stages of flight generates a yawing motion pretty instantly.

Southerner said:

Do these little tiddlers have CVR/FDR etc as per bug jets?

No. It's not a requirement in the GA world. It can be done, but its expensive especially since the majority of these aircraft cockpits are steam driven not glass cockpit avionics.

[rjfp1962]

48k said:

surveyor said:

I had read that twin engine light plans are much more of a handful single engine, and that performance is much more marginal on one engine, than airliners.

Can any pilots comment? Curious..

Yes. Light twin piston engined aircraft will climb on a single engine but they obviously have nowhere near the excess of power of modern turbofan twin jets. They have a lot less inertia and losing an engine at critical stages of flight generates a yawing motion pretty instantly.

The Beech 200 King Air that crashed here is a twin turboprop, so I'd imagine it has greater single-single engine capability over a regular pistonprop. I could be wrong though as I'm certainly no expert..!

[Austin Prefect]

rjfp1962 said:

48k said:

surveyor said:

I had read that twin engine light plans are much more of a handful single engine, and that performance is much more marginal on one engine, than airliners.

Can any pilots comment? Curious..

Yes. Light twin piston engined aircraft will climb on a single engine but they obviously have nowhere near the excess of power of modern turbofan twin jets. They have a lot less inertia and losing an engine at critical stages of flight generates a yawing motion pretty instantly.

The Beech 200 King Air that crashed here is a twin turboprop, so I'd imagine it has greater single-single engine capability over a regular pistonprop. I could be wrong though as I'm certainly no expert..!

On the other hand, having plenty of power on the working engine can make the yawing more dramatic.

[48k]

rjfp1962 said:

48k said:

surveyor said:

I had read that twin engine light plans are much more of a handful single engine, and that performance is much more marginal on one engine, than airliners.

Can any pilots comment? Curious..

Yes. Light twin piston engined aircraft will climb on a single engine but they obviously have nowhere near the excess of power of modern turbofan twin jets. They have a lot less inertia and losing an engine at critical stages of flight generates a yawing motion pretty instantly.

The Beech 200 King Air that crashed here is a twin turboprop, so I'd imagine it has greater single-single engine capability over a regular pistonprop. I could be wrong though as I'm certainly no expert..!

Yes fair shout I hadn't clocked it was a King Air was just responding to the "little twiddlers" comment. Losing an engine on take off is still a big deal (i've got a vague memory of these (I think) having an issue with a friction nut which can cause the throttle to roll back accidentally) and there will be a few things to do on the check list / memory items which, when you take the startle factor in to account and the lack of altitude, is almost always going to result in a very bad day.

[aeropilot]

48k said:

rjfp1962 said:

48k said:

surveyor said:

I had read that twin engine light plans are much more of a handful single engine, and that performance is much more marginal on one engine, than airliners.

Can any pilots comment? Curious..

Yes. Light twin piston engined aircraft will climb on a single engine but they obviously have nowhere near the excess of power of modern turbofan twin jets. They have a lot less inertia and losing an engine at critical stages of flight generates a yawing motion pretty instantly.

The Beech 200 King Air that crashed here is a twin turboprop, so I'd imagine it has greater single-single engine capability over a regular pistonprop. I could be wrong though as I'm certainly no expert..!

Yes fair shout I hadn't clocked it was a King Air was just responding to the "little twiddlers" comment. Losing an engine on take off is still a big deal (i've got a vague memory of these (I think) having an issue with a friction nut which can cause the throttle to roll back accidentally) and there will be a few things to do on the check list / memory items which, when you take the startle factor in to account and the lack of altitude, is almost always going to result in a very bad day.

Yep, many King Air pilots already commenting on the throttle lever friction nut issue, which means when PIC moves hand off levers to retract u/c, the levers sometimes drop back, sometimes only the left one, resulting in asymmetric power just when you don't want it, which mean a serious brown trouser moment when a/c rolls so close to ground.....

[DrDeAtH]

I think this happening so close to the ground may have skipped the brown trousers part unfortunately.

[aeropilot]

DrDeAtH said:

I think this happening so close to the ground may have skipped the brown trousers part unfortunately.

Yep.
Could potentially be more likely an engine failure rather than than the lock nut issue, which would have been much harder to deal with, given height it occurred at......and which also ties in with eye witness who said it banked hard and rolled almost inverted before hitting the ground.

Grim.

[CooperD]

Been confirmed on the BBC News that 4 people were on board.

[Simpo Two]

If I heard the radio correctly, it had been to Croatia and Greece that day... same pilot?