German Aerobatic Plane 'Drops' from the sky...

German Aerobatic Plane 'Drops' from the sky...

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Oily Nails

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2,932 posts

215 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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Just spotted this on BBC news Website....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/8150639.stm

It doesn't 'technically' drop from the sky, that is just how the BBC reported it wink

On the video it sounds like the engine was struggling when he came out of the stunt? Maybe fuel starvation/blockage? (but I'm no pilot/plane buff)

Anyway just glad no one was hurt, including the family car he hit...with family in it eek

HRG.

72,863 posts

254 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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The article said:
double-decker sports plane
FFS, what kind of crappy journalist doesn't know the word "biplane" punch

Oily Nails

Original Poster:

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215 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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HRG. said:
The article said:
double-decker sports plane
FFS, what kind of crappy journalist doesn't know the word "biplane" punch
I guarantee the author first wrote BI-plane, but one of the million of
'lefty-salad-eating-ethnic-minority-hugging-wet-blanket- diversity-managers' (and breath)
will have read it and said you cannot discriminate against Aeronautic designs and class it as "BI" just because it is different from all the other aeroplanes... wink

..or the author is a Moron rage

AnotherClarkey

3,688 posts

204 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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Looked a bit like a high speed stall? Pulled too hard to recover to normal flight after exiting the previous maneuver too low?

eharding

14,541 posts

299 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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AnotherClarkey said:
Looked a bit like a high speed stall? Pulled too hard to recover to normal flight after exiting the previous maneuver too low?
Sadly, he was either going to hit the ground by not pulling hard enough, or was going to hit the ground from pulling too hard and stalling it. The pilot didn't really give himself any options with the spin - it looked to me to go flat, and it took far too long to recover from.

The whole sequence looked fairly ragged and unplanned to be honest.

He was very lucky to get away with it unscathed, but putting himself in a situation where he ended up hitting the family in the car is pretty unforgiveable.

FourWheelDrift

90,997 posts

299 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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Do you know I have sent an email to the BBC about that, with a message about biased left wing reporting as well just for good measure. They have a section on the contact page. I might be using that again, and again and again now I have found it.

AnotherClarkey

3,688 posts

204 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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eharding said:
AnotherClarkey said:
Looked a bit like a high speed stall? Pulled too hard to recover to normal flight after exiting the previous maneuver too low?
Sadly, he was either going to hit the ground by not pulling hard enough, or was going to hit the ground from pulling too hard and stalling it. The pilot didn't really give himself any options with the spin - it looked to me to go flat, and it took far too long to recover from.

The whole sequence looked fairly ragged and unplanned to be honest.

He was very lucky to get away with it unscathed, but putting himself in a situation where he ended up hitting the family in the car is pretty unforgiveable.
Yes, I guess he probably opted to pancake rather than spear in - at least in a stall the drag would be high and he would be scrubbing off energy until impact. Agree that it looks poorly planned from pretty much the outset.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

270 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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Crap shot....

He missed the bicyclists...

Dunk76

4,350 posts

229 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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Well it's a double-decker now...

Idiots

HRG.

72,863 posts

254 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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FourWheelDrift said:
Do you know I have sent an email to the BBC about that, with a message about biased left wing reporting as well just for good measure. They have a section on the contact page. I might be using that again, and again and again now I have found it.
They've had at least two then wink

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

270 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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Dunk76 said:
Well it's a double-decker now...

Idiots
Keep up at the back, please...

agent006

12,058 posts

279 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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So for the uninitiatd, where did the crash start? Was the spinning and falling bit under control then?

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

270 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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If Pitts made Stukas, they'd be the best Stukas in the world...

Oily Nails

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2,932 posts

215 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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mybrainhurts said:
bicyclists...
nono
How very un-PC of you! you cannot call some one a BIcyclist in this day and age....

We must now refer to them as
"Eco-centric harmonised double decker wheeled vehicular transport engineering operatives"

As per Neu-LaBBCour guidelines
wink

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

270 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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Oily Nails said:
mybrainhurts said:
bicyclists...
nono
How very un-PC of you! you cannot call some one a BIcyclist in this day and age....

We must now refer to them as
"Eco-centric mentalist harmonised double decker wheeled vehicular transport engineering operatives"

As per Neu-LaBBCour guidelines
wink
EFA...smile

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

270 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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agent006 said:
So for the uninitiatd, where did the crash start? Was the spinning and falling bit under control then?
I've told you once...

He was going for the bicyclists and the car got in the way...

eharding

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299 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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agent006 said:
So for the uninitiatd, where did the crash start? Was the spinning and falling bit under control then?
It was certainly the late recovery from the spin which was the immediate cause of the accident.

Depending on how much preparation and planning went into the sortie, you could argue it began when the pilot climbed in and started the engine.

I've just got an email from the Godfather of British Aerobatics: his assertion is that the pilot just kept the pro-spin rudder in for far too long.


AnotherClarkey

3,688 posts

204 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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agent006 said:
So for the uninitiatd, where did the crash start? Was the spinning and falling bit under control then?
I am no expert but it looked like the spin was intentional (even though the entry looked a bit strange) but, as previously pointed out, it looked like it started to develop nastily and 'go flat'. Maybe this took longer to recover than expected or the pilot was disoriented and let it go a couple of extra turns. Either way, the recovery to normal flight was too late, too low and could really only result in hitting the ground.

ahdguy

279 posts

222 months

Wednesday 15th July 2009
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(I can't see any reference to double-decker)....

Eric Mc

123,929 posts

280 months

Wednesday 15th July 2009
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The report has been corrected by the BBC.

I know a number of people contacted them to tell them that it appeared to have been written by a technical incompetent so they may have acted on that.