Tesco - new alcohol policy
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Looking at this further it now makes sense. This law is analagous to the IR35 laws labour brought in, which made de-facto self-employed contractors liable for "employee taxation" plus the "employer taxation (Employers NIC + VAT)" plus all the employer responsibilities, minus any protection whatsoever from Employment law which is of course only for "genuine hard working families". Not thieving MP's at the trough.
That law brought in an "imaginary contract" that "lifted the corporate veil" and allowed the "true contract" to be deduced by a judge on the day depending if he got his knackers sucked off or not the night before. It effectively ruled out the REAL contract, that would be used in any REAL contractual dispute, and invented an Alice in wonderland one.
This form of social control and nonsense now applies to mere family shoppers and the staff on the tills. The staff are bound by a pretend contract just like IR35 invokes. They have to imagine that a family couple COULD ply the 5 year old kids with vodka and send them to the park. If the staff imagine such a thing then Alice in Wonderland contract law applies - the staff member gets shafted and loses their job. Best not to do it at all. Just like its best to pay the IR35 insanity tax. No difference.
I hope ALL the staff of these shops persist in being utter t
ts. Social Engineering through taxation is disgusting. When the people lose their bread, wine, and circus, thats when the end of the Gordon Empire happens. 
That law brought in an "imaginary contract" that "lifted the corporate veil" and allowed the "true contract" to be deduced by a judge on the day depending if he got his knackers sucked off or not the night before. It effectively ruled out the REAL contract, that would be used in any REAL contractual dispute, and invented an Alice in wonderland one.
This form of social control and nonsense now applies to mere family shoppers and the staff on the tills. The staff are bound by a pretend contract just like IR35 invokes. They have to imagine that a family couple COULD ply the 5 year old kids with vodka and send them to the park. If the staff imagine such a thing then Alice in Wonderland contract law applies - the staff member gets shafted and loses their job. Best not to do it at all. Just like its best to pay the IR35 insanity tax. No difference.
I hope ALL the staff of these shops persist in being utter t
ts. Social Engineering through taxation is disgusting. When the people lose their bread, wine, and circus, thats when the end of the Gordon Empire happens. gadzookz said:
Looking at this further it now makes sense. This law is analagous to the IR35 laws labour brought in, which made de-facto self-employed contractors liable for "employee taxation" plus the "employer taxation (Employers NIC + VAT)" plus all the employer responsibilities, minus any protection whatsoever from Employment law which is of course only for "genuine hard working families". Not thieving MP's at the trough.
That law brought in an "imaginary contract" that "lifted the corporate veil" and allowed the "true contract" to be deduced by a judge on the day depending if he got his knackers sucked off or not the night before. It effectively ruled out the REAL contract, that would be used in any REAL contractual dispute, and invented an Alice in wonderland one.
Blimey. That's one of the best descriptions of IR35 ever. Get that posted to the Business section so Eric and I can nod sagely and compliment you on it. That law brought in an "imaginary contract" that "lifted the corporate veil" and allowed the "true contract" to be deduced by a judge on the day depending if he got his knackers sucked off or not the night before. It effectively ruled out the REAL contract, that would be used in any REAL contractual dispute, and invented an Alice in wonderland one.
(Genuine, BTW. Don't read as sarcastic as not intended that way)
Yea,I dont know how new this is but it happened to me last year and bloomin pished me off
I was putting a bottle of wine on the checkout and my sister was with me. They asked me for ID and I gave it to them, then they asked her and I said she doesnt have any. They refused to serve me it and I was so so annoyed (mainly becuase i was in a rush).
Whhhy!!!
I was putting a bottle of wine on the checkout and my sister was with me. They asked me for ID and I gave it to them, then they asked her and I said she doesnt have any. They refused to serve me it and I was so so annoyed (mainly becuase i was in a rush).
Whhhy!!!
I did forget to mention that I went to purchase cigarettes after the till fiasco, with my son's and wasn't asked for ID in full view of the person who had refused me alcohol! PS I couldn't reply to posts before because I'm a newby. So Big Al kindly moved my post. Big up for him and all who have contributed.
JonRB said:
Bree said:
The problem with this is when staff don't use their common sense.
Staff have no discretion, apparently, and if they get it wrong just once will probably get the sack and a hefty fine personally. So it's hardly surprising that they don't risk it. Jon is right, if we get it wrong we're f
ked. As I say, we have little/no money, but if we sell booze to underage people then job loss + £5000 fine + possible criminal record (really!) so we're told if not sure then ask. Then again, it should be obvious to even the most amazingly weird Jeremy Kyle guest sort that someone who is in their 40s accompanied by their 20 something sons don't need to provide ID. The only way we SHOULD ask is when a 70 odd year old lady is buying a huge pack of bacardi breezers and has her 14 year old grandson and his 2 mates to "help" her carry the stuff to her car, and presumably to a teen house party later. Unfortunately, a lot of cashiers can be the most moronic people ever sometimes, till work does drive you mad but there's no excuse for silly things like the OP mentioned. The solution is, don't shop with Tesco, come to Morrisons!
I can sympathise with you dpbird90 but it wasn't a cashier I dealt with. This was a supposedly trained person who couldn't see common sense. And you're missing the point. We the public are going to get progressively peed off about these draconian measures inflicted on the law-abiding members of the community. This "added" policy will not stop binge drinking in under-age people. There are already strict rules about who you can and cannot sell alcohol to. It's called the Licensing Act! I can sell a pint of beer in my pub to anyone over the age of 18. Providing a: I and another person would reasonably agree that they look 18. b: I check for acceptable proof of age if unsure c:They do not appear to be intoxicated. There are other criteria which I won't bore you with.
I was the one purchasing the alcohol, both my sons look reasonably over 18 and even if I didn't know them, they would get served in my pub. There is also a law which states that it is legal for a person to supply alcohol to a person between the ages of 5-18 in their own home.
So what the hell is Tesco is telling me when I want to buy a couple of bottles of wine to enjoy with my sons (one of whom doesn't drink) and both are over 18, and get refused. Obviously I'm as bad as all the knife-wielding, gun-totting, graffiti spraying, work-dodging, baby-bashing, child abusing, drug-taking, wife-bashing, bank-robbing, expenses-thieving, animal-molesting, crackheads and old women muggers, rapists, vandals, terrorists, robbers, thieves, arsonists, (solicitors, plumbers, dentists), (mind you our bar prices are going up!!!! Thanks to the government and the cheap beer supplied to the supermarkets (I wonder who they sell that to?) Right sorry. Rant over
I was the one purchasing the alcohol, both my sons look reasonably over 18 and even if I didn't know them, they would get served in my pub. There is also a law which states that it is legal for a person to supply alcohol to a person between the ages of 5-18 in their own home.
So what the hell is Tesco is telling me when I want to buy a couple of bottles of wine to enjoy with my sons (one of whom doesn't drink) and both are over 18, and get refused. Obviously I'm as bad as all the knife-wielding, gun-totting, graffiti spraying, work-dodging, baby-bashing, child abusing, drug-taking, wife-bashing, bank-robbing, expenses-thieving, animal-molesting, crackheads and old women muggers, rapists, vandals, terrorists, robbers, thieves, arsonists, (solicitors, plumbers, dentists), (mind you our bar prices are going up!!!! Thanks to the government and the cheap beer supplied to the supermarkets (I wonder who they sell that to?) Right sorry. Rant over
Reminds me of the silliness of the general policy when it comes to painkillers. When I was travelling to the US earlier in the year, I went to Tesco to buy some ibuprofen for the trip. Picked up three 8-packs of Tesco's own brand. At the checkout they would only let me purchase two packs!
Now I understand that the idea is to prevent people from killing themselves by an overdose... but really? 24 tablets wouldn't do it... in any case, if I was suicidal, I could easily have bought 2, then come back in to a different checkout to buy another two, etc etc...
The irony of it is, when I was in the US I went to a Walgreens drugstore, and off the shelf I bought a three bottles of 150 (yes, that's 450 in total!) ibuprofen tablets, with no questions asked! Niot only that, the bottles they were in were labelled as "Easy Open"! Here's a pic...
Now I understand that the idea is to prevent people from killing themselves by an overdose... but really? 24 tablets wouldn't do it... in any case, if I was suicidal, I could easily have bought 2, then come back in to a different checkout to buy another two, etc etc...
The irony of it is, when I was in the US I went to a Walgreens drugstore, and off the shelf I bought a three bottles of 150 (yes, that's 450 in total!) ibuprofen tablets, with no questions asked! Niot only that, the bottles they were in were labelled as "Easy Open"! Here's a pic...
Cashiers on here then, can you explain the one about ID'ing for headache tablets?
I bought them, I was buying them with £50 or so of other shopping and had my 16 year old brother with me.. He doesn't carry his passport around with him as ID for headache tablets.
What was I going to do.. Buy them for him so he could overdose on 16 tablets?
I bought them, I was buying them with £50 or so of other shopping and had my 16 year old brother with me.. He doesn't carry his passport around with him as ID for headache tablets.
What was I going to do.. Buy them for him so he could overdose on 16 tablets?
Dracoro said:
MentalSarcasm said:
This is because the law states that fines will about be handed out IF SUPERMARKETS SELL TO SOMEONE WHO THEN GIVES THE ALCOHOL TO SOMEONE UNDER AGE (that's not the full legal term but it's the right jist).
Tesco only give a fk about who you drink the booze with because the law says they have to.
What law please? Tesco only give a f
k about who you drink the booze with because the law says they have to.I'd like to see the law that says you get fined for selling to an 18+ person if they subsequently give it to a minor.
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/portsmouth/Portsmouth-...
What's astounding about that article is that both Morrisons and Sainsbury's provided comments that it was illegal to sell alcohol to a person who may be buying it with the intention of giving it to an under 18.
As has been posted before this is rubbish. An adult can buy a beer for a 16 year old in a pub perfectly legally so long as it is consumed with a meal:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Parents/Yourchildsheal...
Do we have a situation here where the supermarkets believe that they are so powerful that they can change the law?
I'm not sure what I would be more annoyed about, the impertinence of supermarket staff implying that I would endanger my own children by plying with alcohol or their idiotic intention to inconvenience their customers for no good reason.
If they tried this on with me they would regret it.
Slothario said:
and eat processed goo from Tesco ? Not for me, thanks.
I'd be jacking in my job and moving to the wide open spaces.
You see there you go again. Generalising that everyone who shops at Tescos buys processed food.I'd be jacking in my job and moving to the wide open spaces.
We plan our meals every week, everything is cooked fresh from fresh ingredients.
Yesterday we had a home made thai style salmon broth, fresh salmon, pak choi, spring onions, chillis, ginger, lemon grass and more. Even fresh stock that we make in bulk and then freeze. ALL COOKED FRESH WITH FRESH INGREDIENTS.
Tonight is a greek style lamb dish, lamb and spuds and olives and tomatoes, herbs, garlic, olive oil, etc. ALL COOKED FRESH WITH FRESH INGREDIENTS.
However due to busy lives and wanting to spend time as a family we buy those ingredients online and have them delivered. The inlaws have a farm so we are LUCKY that we can get fresh eggs but other than that I have no desire to constantly go different places.
I'm at a loss to understand how you fail to grasp that shopping at a supermarket does NOT equate to living on crap.
i have been ID'd in tesco when buying rizlas before now. now that is a joke.
as for challenge 25, when did that come in? is that just tesco, i thought it was challenge 21???
another part of it is that bored checkout operators will ID you just to wind you up. i used to do this a lot when working in pubs - not to older customers but to chavvy 18-20year old. having someone screaming at you for it then turning out to be just 18 is always amusing. staff would ID the same 'target' all night if they were easily wound up just for the reaction.
as for challenge 25, when did that come in? is that just tesco, i thought it was challenge 21???
another part of it is that bored checkout operators will ID you just to wind you up. i used to do this a lot when working in pubs - not to older customers but to chavvy 18-20year old. having someone screaming at you for it then turning out to be just 18 is always amusing. staff would ID the same 'target' all night if they were easily wound up just for the reaction.
FoolOnTheHill said:
Slothario said:
and eat processed goo from Tesco ? Not for me, thanks.
I'd be jacking in my job and moving to the wide open spaces.
You see there you go again. Generalising that everyone who shops at Tescos buys processed food.I'd be jacking in my job and moving to the wide open spaces.
We plan our meals every week, everything is cooked fresh from fresh ingredients.
Yesterday we had a home made thai style salmon broth, fresh salmon, pak choi, spring onions, chillis, ginger, lemon grass and more. Even fresh stock that we make in bulk and then freeze. ALL COOKED FRESH WITH FRESH INGREDIENTS.
Tonight is a greek style lamb dish, lamb and spuds and olives and tomatoes, herbs, garlic, olive oil, etc. ALL COOKED FRESH WITH FRESH INGREDIENTS.
However due to busy lives and wanting to spend time as a family we buy those ingredients online and have them delivered. The inlaws have a farm so we are LUCKY that we can get fresh eggs but other than that I have no desire to constantly go different places.
I'm at a loss to understand how you fail to grasp that shopping at a supermarket does NOT equate to living on crap.
There YOU go again, including yourself in my generalisation of the AVERAGE shopper, which I find rather bizarre.
You clearly are passionate about food and would never contemplate a ready meal, though I personally would immerse the par cooked pak choi in a mustard and lemon reduction for five minutes too as this will seriously enhance the flavour.....
the contract of sale is between tesco and the customer. once the customer has the booze tesco's licencing should not be affected. iv known several people who drove cars before they where 17, does that mean that car dealerships would refuse to sell me a car if i had someone under the age of 17 with me just in case i let them drive. the problem with this country is people are too bothered about what MIGHT happen!
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