Good Halal food in Watford?

[rusal]

no, keep it going, its funny

[Andy Zarse]

ln1234 said:

The Crow said:

No one in this country should be allowed to eat the barbaric ritual slaughter meat via Halal or Kosher.

Says who?

The RSPCA among many others.

I despise the weak minded politicians that have allowed this slaughter to become common place.

Vile repugnant trade.

Eh? Surely you mean all meat is bad to eat? I doubt a bullet in the head is any kinder to the animal. It still dies

If you seriously think that, then you are probably a bit thick to be honest. I think you'll find, if you bother to think about it, that it is the manner of the death which is the cause of contention, as opposed to the fact that the animal dies.

[Ballistic Banana]

XJSJohn said:

bloody hell folks ... the OP only asked if anyone knew of a Halal restaurant in watford to take some Muslim clients out to, not an ethical bunfight about the morals of Halal!!!

yet again, P&P strikes out on a tangent!!!

Exactly, I have had to remove some comments as they were rude/personal/...

Posting rules

2. Post any material likely to cause undue annoyance, provocation, upset or embarrassment to any reasonable person.

BB

[Kinky]

Perhaps we should clarify that any racist statements made, intended or not, will result in a permanent banning from PH.

K

[peterpeter]

Andy Zarse said:

ln1234 said:

The Crow said:

No one in this country should be allowed to eat the barbaric ritual slaughter meat via Halal or Kosher.

Says who?

The RSPCA among many others.

I despise the weak minded politicians that have allowed this slaughter to become common place.

Vile repugnant trade.

Eh? Surely you mean all meat is bad to eat? I doubt a bullet in the head is any kinder to the animal. It still dies

If you seriously think that, then you are probably a bit thick to be honest. I think you'll find, if you bother to think about it, that it is the manner of the death which is the cause of contention, as opposed to the fact that the animal dies.

lots of opinions, but can I ask how does anyone really know if an animal is suffering or not?
Has anyone had their throat slit , or had a bullet blow their brains out or been electrocuted and decapitated later....and then springed back up to tell us how cruel or painful each
experience was?

If anyone has any actual scientific data on whether animals do suffer longer and differently with these methods Ill be interested to hear. We all assume that a throat slit is slower and thus more cruel than a bullet to the brain, but what is the affect of rapid and even deoxygenation of the brain of that slit? as oppose to a massive trauma from a bullet which destroys an area of the brain and depending where it hits, it might stop the heart, or it might not, or localized bleeding from the brain itself causes uneven deoxygenation, huge pressure under a haematoma, ..theoretically meaning parts of the brain are still active while the rest of the body is dying...could this be more cruel?

Unless the RSPCA actually have some scientific evidence, then Im not really interested in their opinion.
PH doctors might have an opinion. To me the bottom line is that if you end up eating the animal, surely the most important thing is how it is treated while it is ALIVE.
Anyone here complaining about halal and kosher meat who then eats battery chickens (KFC) etc, has got their priorities wrong.
If there is actual solid proof that these methods are actually much more painful, then it might affect my eating habits for sure.

[Andy Zarse]

peterpeter said:

Andy Zarse said:

ln1234 said:

The Crow said:

No one in this country should be allowed to eat the barbaric ritual slaughter meat via Halal or Kosher.

Says who?

The RSPCA among many others.

I despise the weak minded politicians that have allowed this slaughter to become common place.

Vile repugnant trade.

Eh? Surely you mean all meat is bad to eat? I doubt a bullet in the head is any kinder to the animal. It still dies

If you seriously think that, then you are probably a bit thick to be honest. I think you'll find, if you bother to think about it, that it is the manner of the death which is the cause of contention, as opposed to the fact that the animal dies.

lots of opinions, but can I ask how does anyone really know if an animal is suffering or not?
Has anyone had their throat slit , or had a bullet blow their brains out or been electrocuted and decapitated later....and then springed back up to tell us how cruel or painful each
experience was?

If anyone has any actual scientific data on whether animals do suffer longer and differently with these methods Ill be interested to hear. We all assume that a throat slit is slower and thus more cruel than a bullet to the brain, but what is the affect of rapid and even deoxygenation of the brain of that slit? as oppose to a massive trauma from a bullet which destroys an area of the brain and depending where it hits, it might stop the heart, or it might not, or localized bleeding from the brain itself causes uneven deoxygenation, huge pressure under a haematoma, ..theoretically meaning parts of the brain are still active while the rest of the body is dying...could this be more cruel?

Unless the RSPCA actually have some scientific evidence, then Im not really interested in their opinion.
PH doctors might have an opinion. To me the bottom line is that if you end up eating the animal, surely the most important thing is how it is treated while it is ALIVE.
Anyone here complaining about halal and kosher meat who then eats battery chickens (KFC) etc, has got their priorities wrong.
If there is actual solid proof that these methods are actually much more painful, then it might affect my eating habits for sure.

I think you'll find that the point at issue is that with halal the animal is not stunned before the throat is cut, whereas with other non-religious methods of slaughter the animal is rendered unconcious by an electric shock. Thus your comments are otiose to this debate.

[Simpo Two]

XJSJohn said:

bloody hell folks ... the OP only asked if anyone knew of a Halal restaurant in watford to take some Muslim clients out to, not an ethical bunfight about the morals of Halal!!!

yet again, P&P strikes out on a tangent!!!

Well, I'd call it 'getting to the heart of the matter'.

I'd suggest the following dialogue:


'Is this meat halal?'

'Yes. Now eat up and think of the starving Africans who aren't so lucky'

[10 Pence Short]

Goes right to the heart of why religion is such a crock of sh&t.

[Scraggles]

Kinky said:

Perhaps we should clarify that any racist statements made, intended or not, will result in a permanent banning from PH.

K

reads like bks to me, nothing wrong in pointing out that halal and kosher methods of killing

looked at your profile - Name: Tarq, my arse -

as you seem to be a moderator, got a question for you, people from various countries are known by an abbreviation of their country, eg

someone from Britain is known as a Brit, an Aussie from Australia, what would be an acceptable shortened version for someone from pakistan ? not wanting to be deemed racist and stuff

[NDA]

peterpeter said:

If anyone has any actual scientific data on whether animals do suffer longer and differently with these methods Ill be interested to hear.

I was chatting to a cow only last week. She told me that one of her mates was chatting to a cow that was passing through an abattoir and could hear the racket going on - when she asked one of birds by the window, that bird confirmed that the animals suffered more by being stabbed.

Other than my occasional conversations with cattle, there's little evidence. If only the scientists would talk to the survivors a bit.

[White-Noise]

Scraggles said:

Kinky said:

Perhaps we should clarify that any racist statements made, intended or not, will result in a permanent banning from PH.

K

reads like bks to me, nothing wrong in pointing out that halal and kosher methods of killing

looked at your profile - Name: Tarq, my arse -

as you seem to be a moderator, got a question for you, people from various countries are known by an abbreviation of their country, eg

someone from Britain is known as a Brit, an Aussie from Australia, what would be an acceptable shortened version for someone from pakistan ? not wanting to be deemed racist and stuff

I wondered this as well... what about paddy?

[escargot]

Well, clearly it ought to be . The trouble nowadays of course is that the term '' has been demonised and is now perceived as derogatory, particularly by those who are so concerned about offending minorities that the minute the word is uttered they fold up into a sweaty mess and suffer palpitations.

I don't find the term offensive, and when I use it, I don't mean any offense either.

Edited by escargot on Sunday 15th March 10:35

[Chainguy]

Kinky said:

Perhaps we should clarify that any racist statements made, intended or not, will result in a permanent banning from PH.

K

Considering simply telling the truth about certain methods of slaughter has prompted that comment, then I get the feeling that most of what people say that is simply fact, and said under the right of free speech, could be considered racist, be it intentional or not, if this is an example of your guidelines.

You'd also be left with damn few contributors in very short order, and whats left would be so boring we'd all be in the 'other place' anyways.

And fine well you know it dear moderator.

[escargot]

Bloody hell... it's been censored.


Poor show PH. :shakeshead:

Edited by escargot on Sunday 15th March 10:36

[jazzybee]

Interesting. The responses to the OP's question about a good Halal Restaurant in Watford - develops into religion bashing and discussing the work ''. What has happened to PistonHeads? Why is everyone so hate fueled? Is it the economy? Is it the media? What the hell is the problem?

BTW: I live near Watford and know of no good Halal Restaurants there. I can recommend a couple of places in Southall if that helps. BTW the Nandos in South Harrow serves Halal Chicken - Some of the others may do as well. Maybe worth a phone call.

[escargot]

jazzybee said:

Interesting. The responses to the OP's question about a good Halal Restaurant in Watford - develops into religion bashing and discussing the work ''. What has happened to PistonHeads? Why is everyone so hate fueled? Is it the economy? Is it the media? What the hell is the problem?

I'm undecided on this. On one hand, the diversity of PH and the tangents a thread can take keep things exciting. On the other though, the fact is, the OP asked a question and as yet, hasn't received a proper answer (that I recall).

I do disagree with your comment about everyone being so hate fueled, a small minority might be, but otherwise the cross section of educated opinions on PH is very refreshing.

[Chainguy]

jazzybee said:

Why is everyone so hate fueled?

Hate fuelled? I don't see any of that on here. I do see a lot of people asking honest questions though.

Hate fuelled is when you make a placard proclaiming death to Jews and stand in the streets shouting about it. However, asking why an animal can be killed in a non humane way, contrary to the laws of the land, due to Religion, is not.

Getting that distinction right between the two is important, I hope you'll agree.

[peterpeter]

Andy Zarse said:

peterpeter said:

Andy Zarse said:

ln1234 said:

The Crow said:

No one in this country should be allowed to eat the barbaric ritual slaughter meat via Halal or Kosher.

Says who?

The RSPCA among many others.

I despise the weak minded politicians that have allowed this slaughter to become common place.

Vile repugnant trade.

Eh? Surely you mean all meat is bad to eat? I doubt a bullet in the head is any kinder to the animal. It still dies

If you seriously think that, then you are probably a bit thick to be honest. I think you'll find, if you bother to think about it, that it is the manner of the death which is the cause of contention, as opposed to the fact that the animal dies.

lots of opinions, but can I ask how does anyone really know if an animal is suffering or not?
Has anyone had their throat slit , or had a bullet blow their brains out or been electrocuted and decapitated later....and then springed back up to tell us how cruel or painful each
experience was?

If anyone has any actual scientific data on whether animals do suffer longer and differently with these methods Ill be interested to hear. We all assume that a throat slit is slower and thus more cruel than a bullet to the brain, but what is the affect of rapid and even deoxygenation of the brain of that slit? as oppose to a massive trauma from a bullet which destroys an area of the brain and depending where it hits, it might stop the heart, or it might not, or localized bleeding from the brain itself causes uneven deoxygenation, huge pressure under a haematoma, ..theoretically meaning parts of the brain are still active while the rest of the body is dying...could this be more cruel?

Unless the RSPCA actually have some scientific evidence, then Im not really interested in their opinion.
PH doctors might have an opinion. To me the bottom line is that if you end up eating the animal, surely the most important thing is how it is treated while it is ALIVE.
Anyone here complaining about halal and kosher meat who then eats battery chickens (KFC) etc, has got their priorities wrong.
If there is actual solid proof that these methods are actually much more painful, then it might affect my eating habits for sure.

I think you'll find that the point at issue is that with halal the animal is not stunned before the throat is cut, whereas with other non-religious methods of slaughter the animal is rendered unconcious by an electric shock. Thus your comments are otiose to this debate.

so presumably you have received an electric shock and you know what is going through an organisms mind while being "stunned"?
That is my point, death and pain is impossible to quantify, unless you have got close to it yourself.
And you cannot say that slow de-oxygenation of the brain through lack of blood is any less painful than 10000volts though your brain either. If you can prove it and you have studied it fine. Otherwise its simple opinion and nothing else.

[MacGee]

White-Noise said:

Scraggles said:

Kinky said:

Perhaps we should clarify that any racist statements made, intended or not, will result in a permanent banning from PH.

K

reads like bks to me, nothing wrong in pointing out that halal and kosher methods of killing

looked at your profile - Name: Tarq, my arse -

as you seem to be a moderator, got a question for you, people from various countries are known by an abbreviation of their country, eg

someone from Britain is known as a Brit, an Aussie from Australia, what would be an acceptable shortened version for someone from pakistan ? not wanting to be deemed racist and stuff

I wondered this as well... what about paddy?

who you calling paddy....I find that sooooo offensive that I will go out and drink lots of guinness with my english mates this week and have a great time... just to recover from the upset caused..dont you know!.

[jazzybee]

Chainguy said:

jazzybee said:

Why is everyone so hate fueled?

Hate fuelled? I don't see any of that on here. I do see a lot of people asking honest questions though.

Hate fuelled is when you make a placard proclaiming death to Jews and stand in the streets shouting about it. However, asking why an animal can be killed in a non humane way, contrary to the laws of the land, due to Religion, is not.

Getting that distinction right between the two is important, I hope you'll agree.

Right, but I don't just mean this thread. The direction it is going is worrying. The 'Islamic State' thread has hateful comments riddled through it, as does the one about the Sri-Lankan suicide bomb and lately many others. The burner certainly seems to have been turned up a notch or two over the past few weeks and it concerns me. My family and I have to live in this country and if the sentiment on here is matching the feeling on the streets, then I need to start thinking a little more seriously about how to protect my family if it escalates further.

15 idiots in Luton do not represent the Muslim community. For every one Muslim on benefits, I bet there is at least 5 that pay taxes. For every 1 that say 'Death to Americans' there will be millions that would shout them down. No mater how much we (the normal, sensible muslim majority) disagree with the idiots on the street, we all seem to get tarred with the same brush.

I've watched animals being slaughter in Halal butchers - Its gruesome killing an animal either way - I don't believe it to be any more Barbaric to slit the throat than stun the animal/shoot it in the head. I don't exclusively eat Halal food either but that is my choice.

Now, I love living in the diverse culture that is London. Today I will be at a Synagogue for my best friend's kids' blessing ceremony and no doubt eating some very good Kosher food afterwards.