Better Call Saul - Prequel to Breaking Bad

Better Call Saul - Prequel to Breaking Bad

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anonymous-user

56 months

Thursday 8th June 2017
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hyphen said:
They are two different people I think- as remember she said her husband went missing over 8 years ago.

Immediately after meeting that woman, Mike calls geek boy to say he will provide muscle for the Nacho meeting.

Edited by hyphen on Thursday 8th June 15:35
Which begs the question who was the husband and why did Mike think Nacho would know?

JamieBeeston

9,294 posts

267 months

Thursday 8th June 2017
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garyhun said:
hyphen said:
They are two different people I think- as remember she said her husband went missing over 8 years ago.

Immediately after meeting that woman, Mike calls geek boy to say he will provide muscle for the Nacho meeting.

Edited by hyphen on Thursday 8th June 15:35
Which begs the question who was the husband and why did Mike think Nacho would know?
Nah, it means it triggered a guilt complex in mikes head around the Good Samaritan, and what the GS's family must be going though, thus he agrees to be bodyguard to get back in a room with Nacho, to ask nacho for the location of the GS!

DMN

3,000 posts

141 months

Thursday 8th June 2017
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I think we're getting tied up here.

The body Mike dug up was the good samaritan killed by Hector. Nacho was very likely involved with his killing, so knows where body is.

Anitas husband was killed 8 years before the good samaritan.

There is a lot of info here:
http://breakingbad.wikia.com/wiki/Slip

Bristol spark

4,383 posts

185 months

Thursday 8th June 2017
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Anyone else thinking that maybe the pills are not what does Salamanca off??

Nacho is not in BB, so maybe he gets caught ...

Then something else happens next season...

GetCarter

29,439 posts

281 months

Thursday 8th June 2017
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Bristol spark said:
Nacho is not in BB, so maybe he gets caught ...
Correct, but Nacho is mentioned in BB.. as Ignacio.

anonymous-user

56 months

Thursday 8th June 2017
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DMN said:
I think we're getting tied up here.

The body Mike dug up was the good samaritan killed by Hector. Nacho was very likely involved with his killing, so knows where body is.

Anitas husband was killed 8 years before the good samaritan.

There is a lot of info here:
http://breakingbad.wikia.com/wiki/Slip
Thanks! That was my initial view but then keithton confused me smile

kiethton

13,955 posts

182 months

Thursday 8th June 2017
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Sorry I guess I got myself confused with that one too!

Hahaha!

anonymous-user

56 months

Thursday 8th June 2017
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kiethton said:
Sorry I guess I got myself confused with that one too!

Hahaha!
beer

youngsyr

14,742 posts

194 months

Thursday 8th June 2017
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Hoping you guys can clear up the first plot hole I've noticed in BB or BCS... discussion in spoiler tags below:

In the latest episode ("Slip"), we are shown that Mike goes into business with Gus in order to launder the money Mike took during the original truck heist, so that if anything happens to Mike, it can go to his daughter in law and granddaughter. Mike approaches Gus and says that he (Mike) knows that the chicken restaurants are a front to launder money and proposes that Gus launder Mike's money in return for 20%. Gus refuses this offer, but proposes an alternative: Mike works for Gus, which Mike accepts.

However, money laundering doesn't work that way - the reason that the restaurants can launder money for Gus is that he owns the restaurants. He makes fraudulent sales that never happen through his tills and replaces the legitimate would-be customer's money with the drug money. From there on in, the drug money is legitimately in the business, it's taxed and eventually paid out to Gus as legitimate profit from his successful, legal business, meaning that no suspiscion arises from Gus having lots of money.

There's no way that set up can work for Mike - he's not an owner of the business and cannot buy his way into the successful business legitimately because it would cost a lot of money, which a retired cop who works as a car park attendant shouldn't have.

Gus could employ Mike legitimately at the restaurant, but any payments to Mike above the minimal average restaurant worker's wage would be suspiscious and on top of that Mike would actually have to work at the restaurant to build up the back story in case Gus is ever investigated and the IRS/cops talk to the legitimate and unknowing staff.

I just don't see how Gus can launder Mike's money for him. The money needs a way to enter the legitimate system and then be extracted from that system to Mike in a legal way - Gus's business cannot provide either.

So, all in all, I just don't see how Gus can launder Mike's money for him and this frustrates me, because it's a key plot point and I really want the programme to work perfectly!

JamieBeeston

9,294 posts

267 months

Thursday 8th June 2017
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youngsyr said:
Hoping you guys can clear up the first plot hole I've noticed in BB or BCS... discussion in spoiler tags below:

In the latest episode ("Slip"), we are shown that Mike goes into business with Gus in order to launder the money Mike took during the original truck heist, so that if anything happens to Mike, it can go to his daughter in law and granddaughter. Mike approaches Gus and says that he (Mike) knows that the chicken restaurants are a front to launder money and proposes that Gus launder Mike's money in return for 20%. Gus refuses this offer, but proposes an alternative: Mike works for Gus, which Mike accepts.

However, money laundering doesn't work that way - the reason that the restaurants can launder money for Gus is that he owns the restaurants. He makes fraudulent sales that never happen through his tills and replaces the legitimate would-be customer's money with the drug money. From there on in, the drug money is legitimately in the business, it's taxed and eventually paid out to Gus as legitimate profit from his successful, legal business, meaning that no suspiscion arises from Gus having lots of money.

There's no way that set up can work for Mike - he's not an owner of the business and cannot buy his way into the successful business legitimately because it would cost a lot of money, which a retired cop who works as a car park attendant shouldn't have.

Gus could employ Mike legitimately at the restaurant, but any payments to Mike above the minimal average restaurant worker's wage would be suspiscious and on top of that Mike would actually have to work at the restaurant to build up the back story in case Gus is ever investigated and the IRS/cops talk to the legitimate and unknowing staff.

I just don't see how Gus can launder Mike's money for him. The money needs a way to enter the legitimate system and then be extracted from that system to Mike in a legal way - Gus's business cannot provide either.

So, all in all, I just don't see how Gus can launder Mike's money for him and this frustrates me, because it's a key plot point and I really want the programme to work perfectly!
It's only £200k, he could simply employ his as a security or logistics specialist and pay him a hefty salary and give a very good "death in service" perks package..

However I don't recall Gus offering mike a job, just saying he had an alternate idea!

Ayahuasca

27,428 posts

281 months

Thursday 8th June 2017
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When Mike called in the Good Samaritan corpse find he said he was searching for arrowheads with a metal detector.

Indian arrow heads are made of stone and cannot be detected with a metal detector.

youngsyr

14,742 posts

194 months

Thursday 8th June 2017
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JamieBeeston said:
youngsyr said:
Hoping you guys can clear up the first plot hole I've noticed in BB or BCS... discussion in spoiler tags below:

In the latest episode ("Slip"), we are shown that Mike goes into business with Gus in order to launder the money Mike took during the original truck heist, so that if anything happens to Mike, it can go to his daughter in law and granddaughter. Mike approaches Gus and says that he (Mike) knows that the chicken restaurants are a front to launder money and proposes that Gus launder Mike's money in return for 20%. Gus refuses this offer, but proposes an alternative: Mike works for Gus, which Mike accepts.

However, money laundering doesn't work that way - the reason that the restaurants can launder money for Gus is that he owns the restaurants. He makes fraudulent sales that never happen through his tills and replaces the legitimate would-be customer's money with the drug money. From there on in, the drug money is legitimately in the business, it's taxed and eventually paid out to Gus as legitimate profit from his successful, legal business, meaning that no suspiscion arises from Gus having lots of money.

There's no way that set up can work for Mike - he's not an owner of the business and cannot buy his way into the successful business legitimately because it would cost a lot of money, which a retired cop who works as a car park attendant shouldn't have.

Gus could employ Mike legitimately at the restaurant, but any payments to Mike above the minimal average restaurant worker's wage would be suspiscious and on top of that Mike would actually have to work at the restaurant to build up the back story in case Gus is ever investigated and the IRS/cops talk to the legitimate and unknowing staff.

I just don't see how Gus can launder Mike's money for him. The money needs a way to enter the legitimate system and then be extracted from that system to Mike in a legal way - Gus's business cannot provide either.

So, all in all, I just don't see how Gus can launder Mike's money for him and this frustrates me, because it's a key plot point and I really want the programme to work perfectly!
It's only £200k, he could simply employ his as a security or logistics specialist and pay him a hefty salary and give a very good "death in service" perks package..

However I don't recall Gus offering mike a job, just saying he had an alternate idea!
That still doesn't pass the smell test - Gus is meticulously careful in operating his money-laundering front, even to the extent of working regular shifts as a manager in the restaurants himself.

What legitimate role could Mike have in Gus's business - what fried chicken restaurant needs a security manager, or even a logistics manager? The IRS would see through that front in a second and Gus isn't the type of guy to be that sloppy or take that risk.

joema

2,659 posts

181 months

Thursday 8th June 2017
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I imagine Gus has many fingers in many pies...

BCS never seems to do cliff hangers but always leave you wanting more. its great!

American iv

463 posts

198 months

Friday 9th June 2017
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youngsyr said:
JamieBeeston said:
youngsyr said:
Hoping you guys can clear up the first plot hole I've noticed in BB or BCS... discussion in spoiler tags below:

In the latest episode ("Slip"), we are shown that Mike goes into business with Gus in order to launder the money Mike took during the original truck heist, so that if anything happens to Mike, it can go to his daughter in law and granddaughter. Mike approaches Gus and says that he (Mike) knows that the chicken restaurants are a front to launder money and proposes that Gus launder Mike's money in return for 20%. Gus refuses this offer, but proposes an alternative: Mike works for Gus, which Mike accepts.

However, money laundering doesn't work that way - the reason that the restaurants can launder money for Gus is that he owns the restaurants. He makes fraudulent sales that never happen through his tills and replaces the legitimate would-be customer's money with the drug money. From there on in, the drug money is legitimately in the business, it's taxed and eventually paid out to Gus as legitimate profit from his successful, legal business, meaning that no suspiscion arises from Gus having lots of money.

There's no way that set up can work for Mike - he's not an owner of the business and cannot buy his way into the successful business legitimately because it would cost a lot of money, which a retired cop who works as a car park attendant shouldn't have.

Gus could employ Mike legitimately at the restaurant, but any payments to Mike above the minimal average restaurant worker's wage would be suspiscious and on top of that Mike would actually have to work at the restaurant to build up the back story in case Gus is ever investigated and the IRS/cops talk to the legitimate and unknowing staff.

I just don't see how Gus can launder Mike's money for him. The money needs a way to enter the legitimate system and then be extracted from that system to Mike in a legal way - Gus's business cannot provide either.

So, all in all, I just don't see how Gus can launder Mike's money for him and this frustrates me, because it's a key plot point and I really want the programme to work perfectly!
It's only £200k, he could simply employ his as a security or logistics specialist and pay him a hefty salary and give a very good "death in service" perks package..

However I don't recall Gus offering mike a job, just saying he had an alternate idea!
That still doesn't pass the smell test - Gus is meticulously careful in operating his money-laundering front, even to the extent of working regular shifts as a manager in the restaurants himself.

What legitimate role could Mike have in Gus's business - what fried chicken restaurant needs a security manager, or even a logistics manager? The IRS would see through that front in a second and Gus isn't the type of guy to be that sloppy or take that risk.
My knee-jerk thought was that Mike would be the new owner of a laundrette on paper with a 200k loan from Gus, or maybe the manager with a 50k per year salary... something like that anyway.. There has to be some way the two start working together and this seemed like a nice-and-easy solution

On a side note...
The bit I don't get about BCS is that Gus Fring appears in it as a big-enough player and has obvious tie-ins to BB, but he doesn't appear as a player in BB until season 3? I've not re-watched BB recently, but are there any subtle clues to his existence?


Edited by American iv on Tuesday 13th June 23:53

youngsyr

14,742 posts

194 months

Friday 9th June 2017
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American iv said:
youngsyr said:
JamieBeeston said:
youngsyr said:
Hoping you guys can clear up the first plot hole I've noticed in BB or BCS... discussion in spoiler tags below:

In the latest episode ("Slip"), we are shown that Mike goes into business with Gus in order to launder the money Mike took during the original truck heist, so that if anything happens to Mike, it can go to his daughter in law and granddaughter. Mike approaches Gus and says that he (Mike) knows that the chicken restaurants are a front to launder money and proposes that Gus launder Mike's money in return for 20%. Gus refuses this offer, but proposes an alternative: Mike works for Gus, which Mike accepts.

However, money laundering doesn't work that way - the reason that the restaurants can launder money for Gus is that he owns the restaurants. He makes fraudulent sales that never happen through his tills and replaces the legitimate would-be customer's money with the drug money. From there on in, the drug money is legitimately in the business, it's taxed and eventually paid out to Gus as legitimate profit from his successful, legal business, meaning that no suspiscion arises from Gus having lots of money.

There's no way that set up can work for Mike - he's not an owner of the business and cannot buy his way into the successful business legitimately because it would cost a lot of money, which a retired cop who works as a car park attendant shouldn't have.

Gus could employ Mike legitimately at the restaurant, but any payments to Mike above the minimal average restaurant worker's wage would be suspiscious and on top of that Mike would actually have to work at the restaurant to build up the back story in case Gus is ever investigated and the IRS/cops talk to the legitimate and unknowing staff.

I just don't see how Gus can launder Mike's money for him. The money needs a way to enter the legitimate system and then be extracted from that system to Mike in a legal way - Gus's business cannot provide either.

So, all in all, I just don't see how Gus can launder Mike's money for him and this frustrates me, because it's a key plot point and I really want the programme to work perfectly!
It's only £200k, he could simply employ his as a security or logistics specialist and pay him a hefty salary and give a very good "death in service" perks package..

However I don't recall Gus offering mike a job, just saying he had an alternate idea!
That still doesn't pass the smell test - Gus is meticulously careful in operating his money-laundering front, even to the extent of working regular shifts as a manager in the restaurants himself.

What legitimate role could Mike have in Gus's business - what fried chicken restaurant needs a security manager, or even a logistics manager? The IRS would see through that front in a second and Gus isn't the type of guy to be that sloppy or take that risk.
My knee-jerk thought was that Mike would be the new owner of a laundrette on paper with a 200k loan from Gus, or maybe the manager with a 50k per year salary... something like that anyway.. There has to be some way the two start working together and this seemed like a nice-and-easy solution

On a side note...
The bit I don't get about BCS is that Gus Fring appears in it as a big-enough player and has obvious tie-ins to BB, but he doesn't appear as a player in BB until season 3? I've not re-watched BB recently, but are there any subtle clues to his existence?
Maybe I'm thinking too much into it, but Gus has gone to extreme lengths to appear squeaky clean and rightfully so - if you're going to be in the game long term, you need a bullet proof front in place.

I just don't see how Gus can bring Mike into the money laundering operation with what we know from BCS and BB - what would Gus' reason be to loan Mike, a complete stranger ex-cop, $200k to open a launderette? Even if Gus could come up with a good reason, Mike would have to work in the launderette for a considerable amount of time and long term to make the front convincing, just like Gus does with the restaurant

I don't see any of that happening.


PS: You missed an "i" in your closing spoiler tag, so your text isn't hidden. wink

gregs656

10,949 posts

183 months

Friday 9th June 2017
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youngsyr said:
Maybe I'm thinking too much into it, but Gus has gone to extreme lengths to appear squeaky clean and rightfully so - if you're going to be in the game long term, you need a bullet proof front in place.

I just don't see how Gus can bring Mike into the money laundering operation with what we know from BCS and BB - what would Gus' reason be to loan Mike, a complete stranger ex-cop, $200k to open a launderette? Even if Gus could come up with a good reason, Mike would have to work in the launderette for a considerable amount of time and long term to make the front convincing, just like Gus does with the restaurant

I don't see any of that happening.


PS: You missed an "i" in your closing spoiler tag, so your text isn't hidden. wink
Fair to assume that Gus has a complex and far reaching money laundering operation, much bigger than what we see in Los Pollos Hermanos. I also think it is fair to assume that all parties know for Mike to end up with that kind of money cleanly is not going to be a five minute job.

stuartmmcfc

8,672 posts

194 months

Tuesday 13th June 2017
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Another great episode.
I don't think it spoils anything to say Hector is very, very angry and Jimmy is a very naughty boysmile

Wobbegong

15,078 posts

171 months

Tuesday 13th June 2017
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Ayahuasca said:
When Mike called in the Good Samaritan corpse find he said he was searching for arrowheads with a metal detector.

Indian arrow heads are made of stone and cannot be detected with a metal detector.
That's why he didn't find any hehe

Nimby

4,658 posts

152 months

Tuesday 13th June 2017
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Wobbegong said:
Ayahuasca said:
When Mike called in the Good Samaritan corpse find he said he was searching for arrowheads with a metal detector.

Indian arrow heads are made of stone and cannot be detected with a metal detector.
That's why he didn't find any hehe
Mike needed an excuse for finding the body that wouldn't arouse suspicion.

Poor Kim!

Ructions

4,705 posts

123 months

Tuesday 13th June 2017
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stuartmmcfc said:
Another great episode.
I don't think it spoils anything to say Hector is very, very angry and Jimmy is a very naughty boysmile
One of the best yet, sets it all up nicely for the final episode.