Star Wars: The Last Jedi (CONTAINS SPOILERS)
Discussion
p1stonhead said:
Bearded guy is on point, also i agree with one of the comments section that mentions blade runner 2049 as a cure to mend a broken heart in that the director cared about fans, the film, characters and the lore and Canon. Loved that film. Maybe there should be a go fund me for a reshoot lol glazbagun said:
Yeah Babylon 5 used Hyperspace (and used it to blow up ships, too!) which was almost entirely fantasy and zero science, but it was more consistent rules over 116 episodes than Star Wars over 8 films.
I remember ships being destroyed by other ships whilst in hyperspace (by the shadows in particular). But I dont remember hyperspace (or a ship in hyperspace) being specifically used as a weapon against a target not in hyperspace.
The only time I think a movie/series has come close was when Boomer jumped a raptor whist still inside Galacticas hangar bay in BSG - however the way it played out didnt seem to suggest it was practically weaponisable.
Edited by Moonhawk on Wednesday 24th January 09:45
Ayahuasca said:
Did the hand-held release mechanism have sequenced magnetic plates too then, as I seem to recall it falling?
yeah, not to mention the fact that she was hanging onto the ladder and every single person on every single spaceship can just walk around.Edited by Ayahuasca on Tuesday 23 January 21:39
And you never ever see any of them going for a tom tit.
And stormtroopers armour seems to have absolutely zero capability of protecting them i the slightest.
FredAstaire said:
Ayahuasca said:
Did the hand-held release mechanism have sequenced magnetic plates too then, as I seem to recall it falling?
yeah, not to mention the fact that she was hanging onto the ladder and every single person on every single spaceship can just walk around.Edited by Ayahuasca on Tuesday 23 January 21:39
The bomber clearly had artificial gravity as people were walking around, objects falling etc.
So why cant it just be that when released the bombs fall within the artificial gravity of the bomber. Once outside in the vacuum of space and away from the artificial gravity - they would simply continue on their trajectory (thus appearing to fall towards the target).
To be honest the magnetic bombs were the least of those bombers problems. As someone else said, all of a sudden a single X wing fighter can take out every single anti-aircraft gun on a super destroyer in one pass allowing the worlds slowest bombers to edge close enough to drop bombs on it!
Makes me wonder why C3P0 gave Han Solo in the Millenium Falcon such terrible odds when he decided to attack a Star Destroyer head on in Empire, or any other ship trying to take them on for that matter, seems like a piece of piss to me.
Makes me wonder why C3P0 gave Han Solo in the Millenium Falcon such terrible odds when he decided to attack a Star Destroyer head on in Empire, or any other ship trying to take them on for that matter, seems like a piece of piss to me.
The empire/new order don't seem to learn.
Death star = failure so let build another death star, fail so let's do it again (fail).
Health a safety is ignored, I mean guardrails can't be that expensive.
Feeble ground to air defense but as explains its because the Empire don't consider a small one man fighter to be a threat (again and again and again).
Death star = failure so let build another death star, fail so let's do it again (fail).
Health a safety is ignored, I mean guardrails can't be that expensive.
Feeble ground to air defense but as explains its because the Empire don't consider a small one man fighter to be a threat (again and again and again).
Bullett said:
The empire/new order don't seem to learn.
Death star = failure so let build another death star, fail so let's do it again (fail).
Health a safety is ignored, I mean guardrails can't be that expensive.
Feeble ground to air defense but as explains its because the Empire don't consider a small one man fighter to be a threat (again and again and again).
Nature dictates you learn from your mistakes, but not in Hollywood minds, they clearly function differently to normal people.Death star = failure so let build another death star, fail so let's do it again (fail).
Health a safety is ignored, I mean guardrails can't be that expensive.
Feeble ground to air defense but as explains its because the Empire don't consider a small one man fighter to be a threat (again and again and again).
At the start of WW2, battleships had limited AA armament, but they very quickly learnt that more were needed, and all of them were soon bristling with the smaller AA guns, along with specialised AA support craft.
After decades of making the same mistakes, there is no way the Empire would have survived if real logic were to be applied, unless the rebels are even worse, of course. If that is the case, why bother cheering for such incompetency?
Just seen this deleted scene on yutube, if Rian had left this in TLJ, it might have saved the film!
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I think ROTJ is one of the weaker entries, but I admit to still watching at after the first two. Why? Because of the pay offs and story arc. Even an only half decent film can be watchable to see the satisfaction of the pay offs.
However, I realised today that there is no reason to re-watch TFA, as there is absolutely no pay off within the sequel from the TFA, it's like a hard reset!
I enjoy watching Rogue One and then the first three films because of the continuity, there is a proper story arc. Hell, even the prequels had that. But for me, I think that's where I'll leave it. I cannot watch films simply for the great CGI alone.
However, I realised today that there is no reason to re-watch TFA, as there is absolutely no pay off within the sequel from the TFA, it's like a hard reset!
I enjoy watching Rogue One and then the first three films because of the continuity, there is a proper story arc. Hell, even the prequels had that. But for me, I think that's where I'll leave it. I cannot watch films simply for the great CGI alone.
Moonhawk said:
glazbagun said:
Yeah Babylon 5 used Hyperspace (and used it to blow up ships, too!) which was almost entirely fantasy and zero science, but it was more consistent rules over 116 episodes than Star Wars over 8 films.
I remember ships being destroyed by other ships whilst in hyperspace (by the shadows in particular). But I dont remember hyperspace (or a ship in hyperspace) being specifically used as a weapon against a target not in hyperspace.
The only time I think a movie/series has come close was when Boomer jumped a raptor whist still inside Galacticas hangar bay in BSG - however the way it played out didnt seem to suggest it was practically weaponisable.
Edited by Moonhawk on Wednesday 24th January 09:45
B5 was on Pick TV last night and the Whitestar was able to destroy a Shadow vessel by exiting hyperspace through a jump gate and at the same time forming its own hyperspace window within the existing window created by the jump gate. The resulting explosion destroyed the jump gate and presumably the Shadow vessel.
Europa1 said:
Am I allowed to say I enjoyed the film?
No, not on the internet. Even if by the absolute lowest of indicators at least 50% of the millions of people who have watched it actually enjoyed it, or at least didn't dislike it. It also makes you a Disney shill, obviously.I'm far more worried about Solo than I am Ep 9, it's had an absolute car crash of a production so it'll be a happy days miracle if something half decent comes out of it, especially so soon after the relatively muted reception for Ep 8.
AlexC1981 said:
B5 hyperspace works a bit differently to most sci-fi series. Some ships (cruiser size+) can open their own jump windows into hyperspace, but everything else has to use fixed jump gates as a doorway into and out of hyperspace. When you exit hyperspace you always come out at sub-light speed.
B5 was on Pick TV last night and the Whitestar was able to destroy a Shadow vessel by exiting hyperspace through a jump gate and at the same time forming its own hyperspace window within the existing window created by the jump gate. The resulting explosion destroyed the jump gate and presumably the Shadow vessel.
Again it was a very specific set of circumstances - unless you plan on carting jump gates around, it's not really weaponisable.B5 was on Pick TV last night and the Whitestar was able to destroy a Shadow vessel by exiting hyperspace through a jump gate and at the same time forming its own hyperspace window within the existing window created by the jump gate. The resulting explosion destroyed the jump gate and presumably the Shadow vessel.
I was already mildly hostile to the idea of a SOlo film, because you simply don't recast characters when 99% of the reason that character is beloved is down to the actor (Dad's Army I'm looking at you), you get some sort of horrible impression by one actor of another.
Now, if the film actually turns out to be not good, or mediocre, or even a dog's breakfast (which reshoots hint at), it might actually be a kick up the bum for Disney to re-evaluate how they now go forward to SW, out of ashes, the phoenix will rise.... save us horrible film, you're our only hope
Now, if the film actually turns out to be not good, or mediocre, or even a dog's breakfast (which reshoots hint at), it might actually be a kick up the bum for Disney to re-evaluate how they now go forward to SW, out of ashes, the phoenix will rise.... save us horrible film, you're our only hope
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