Star Wars: The Last Jedi (CONTAINS SPOILERS)
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Watched this in a double bill with The Force Awakens, which surprisingly for me I thought was the better film. TLJ was visually spectacular but felt about 30 minutes too long, I also found it quite jarring how forced some of the humour was. I have no qualms with Star Wars doing humour, it’s an important part of it, but so much of it simply didn’t feel earned. TFA had moments that felt pretty natural (such as Finn and Rey playing off one another) but I thought TLJ had some really misjudged moments (particularly one with Luke near the end).
Really fascinated to see where they go with it from here. I did generally enjoy it, the battle scenes were superb and there was only one moment which flat out didn’t work for me (pulling the rug from under the audience with the whole Leia in space thing.
Definitely looking forward to a second viewing on Sunday.
Really fascinated to see where they go with it from here. I did generally enjoy it, the battle scenes were superb and there was only one moment which flat out didn’t work for me (pulling the rug from under the audience with the whole Leia in space thing.
Definitely looking forward to a second viewing on Sunday.
For me:
Mixed views
Far too much comedy. Most of what was supposed to be amusing was ignored by the audience
The part where Leia goes into Space was odd. I’ve seen Gravity and I’ve seen what happens when you go into Space.
Didn’t see the point of the Rose character. Kiss with Finn at the end was cringe
Did Luke really train Rey? I didn’t see much in the way of training
Yoda CGI wasn’t great.
The silence in the part where we went lighspeed into the ship followed by explosion was the same as when Obi Wan was hiding from Slave in attack of the clones. Brilliant for the eyes and ears that part.
Far too much suicide going on with characters I didn’t care about. Where as in Rogue One I cared
Did Snoke really say Rey was full of Spunk or something along those lines?
Did we really establish who Snoke was?
Thought Mark Hamill was brilliant
Why did Luke have short hair and a non grey beard when he did his Force Projection thing.
3D ruins these films, wearing sunglasses takes the colour out of it for me regardless of how its supposed to work.
Fight scenes were great, space battles were great
Pointless stutter thing going on with the Del Toro character
Really enjoyed seeing Carrie and her daughter together on screen
Happy to see Luke and Leia on screen at the sometime given the missed opportunities with Han, Luke and Leia by JJ Abrahms
The Falcon coming to the rescue was exactly the same as when Han came to the rescue in A new Hope
Couldn’t get Bottom out of my head when I saw Adrian Edmondson
Can someone explain to me how Del Toro betrayed Finn and Rose. One minute hes caught breaking in and then hes on their side having been paid off. I didn't see any mention of the tracking device and confused because Rey had one and another fell on the floor from Leia (right?). How did Del Toro know and tell Phasma where the Rebellion were.
Mixed views
Far too much comedy. Most of what was supposed to be amusing was ignored by the audience
The part where Leia goes into Space was odd. I’ve seen Gravity and I’ve seen what happens when you go into Space.
Didn’t see the point of the Rose character. Kiss with Finn at the end was cringe
Did Luke really train Rey? I didn’t see much in the way of training
Yoda CGI wasn’t great.
The silence in the part where we went lighspeed into the ship followed by explosion was the same as when Obi Wan was hiding from Slave in attack of the clones. Brilliant for the eyes and ears that part.
Far too much suicide going on with characters I didn’t care about. Where as in Rogue One I cared
Did Snoke really say Rey was full of Spunk or something along those lines?
Did we really establish who Snoke was?
Thought Mark Hamill was brilliant
Why did Luke have short hair and a non grey beard when he did his Force Projection thing.
3D ruins these films, wearing sunglasses takes the colour out of it for me regardless of how its supposed to work.
Fight scenes were great, space battles were great
Pointless stutter thing going on with the Del Toro character
Really enjoyed seeing Carrie and her daughter together on screen
Happy to see Luke and Leia on screen at the sometime given the missed opportunities with Han, Luke and Leia by JJ Abrahms
The Falcon coming to the rescue was exactly the same as when Han came to the rescue in A new Hope
Couldn’t get Bottom out of my head when I saw Adrian Edmondson
Can someone explain to me how Del Toro betrayed Finn and Rose. One minute hes caught breaking in and then hes on their side having been paid off. I didn't see any mention of the tracking device and confused because Rey had one and another fell on the floor from Leia (right?). How did Del Toro know and tell Phasma where the Rebellion were.
Edited by oldaudi on Thursday 14th December 09:30
We watched 12.01AM showing this morning.
I was convinced I'd love every minute after reading a few non-spoiler reviews. Instead, I was somewhat disappointed, mainly for the reasons others have already pointed out.
Still a great experience, but, unlike Rouge One and TFA, I do not feel compelled/excited enough to re-watch anytime soon.
I was convinced I'd love every minute after reading a few non-spoiler reviews. Instead, I was somewhat disappointed, mainly for the reasons others have already pointed out.
Still a great experience, but, unlike Rouge One and TFA, I do not feel compelled/excited enough to re-watch anytime soon.
Double bill with TFA. Which interestingly I thought was much better than I remembered.
Overall I thought it was a positive experience, the elephant in the room is that it certainly has many elements of Empire to it. Some of the comedy was very forced and took me out of the film, compare this to TFA where the comedy was more natural. I was actually feeling a bit disappointed and let down until the final act when it pulled it all back.
The plot devices to get everyone to where they needed to be the for the final act were contrived especially the whole Finn/Rose/pleasure planet bit.
It looked amazing for the most part but some dodgy cgi (the horse things) and a few other moments detracted.
One question When BDT betrayed Rose/Finn how did he know about the cloaked(has this ever been a star wars thing before?) ships? R&F didn't know or tell
Overall I thought it was a positive experience, the elephant in the room is that it certainly has many elements of Empire to it. Some of the comedy was very forced and took me out of the film, compare this to TFA where the comedy was more natural. I was actually feeling a bit disappointed and let down until the final act when it pulled it all back.
The plot devices to get everyone to where they needed to be the for the final act were contrived especially the whole Finn/Rose/pleasure planet bit.
It looked amazing for the most part but some dodgy cgi (the horse things) and a few other moments detracted.
One question When BDT betrayed Rose/Finn how did he know about the cloaked(has this ever been a star wars thing before?) ships? R&F didn't know or tell
I went to the 6.30 showing this morning, I was the only one in the cinema which was surprising.
I had no expectations and very much enjoyed it.
I knew something was amiss with Luke in the final battle as he was using the light sabre which had just been destroyed.
Going to see it again with my 7 year old on Sunday now I have vetted it, think he’ll be fine with it.
I had no expectations and very much enjoyed it.
I knew something was amiss with Luke in the final battle as he was using the light sabre which had just been destroyed.
Going to see it again with my 7 year old on Sunday now I have vetted it, think he’ll be fine with it.
oldaudi said:
For me:
Mixed views
Far too much comedy. Most of what was supposed to be amusing was ignored by the audience Tis was my main issue with the film
The part where Leia goes into Space was odd. I’ve seen Gravity and I’ve seen what happens when you go into Space. i genuinly thought she was going to be killed off here given her death in life, but the floaty force pull was odd
Didn’t see the point of the Rose character. Kiss with Finn at the end was cringe no massive issue with the character tbh
Did Luke really train Rey? I didn’t see much in the way of training i think she was just a couple of those lessons and thats it, the fact she can still hold her own with a lightsaber still annoys me as you dont just get good at swordfighting
Yoda CGI wasn’t great. thought this too at first but i wonder if it swapped to a puppet after first appearance as seemed much better like empire model
The silence in the part where we went lighspeed into the ship followed by explosion was the same as when Obi Wan was hiding from Slave in attack of the clones. Brilliant for the eyes and ears that part. such a good scene
Far too much suicide going on with characters I didn’t care about. Where as in Rogue One I cared
Did Snoke really say Rey was full of Spunk or something along those lines? yes he did, it was an appropriate word for his point BUT it will be looked upon as funny
Did we really establish who Snoke was? NO and i was really dissapointed here after all this build up
Thought Mark Hamill was brilliant agree
Why did Luke have short hair and a non grey beard when he did his Force Projection thing. think he just wanted to look as he was last time they saw each other re Leia.
3D ruins these films, wearing sunglasses takes the colour out of it for me regardless of how its supposed to work.
Fight scenes were great, space battles were great agree
Pointless stutter thing going on with the Del Toro character
Really enjoyed seeing Carrie and her daughter together on screen
Happy to see Luke and Leia on screen at the sometime given the missed opportunities with Han, Luke and Leia by JJ Abrahms
The Falcon coming to the rescue was exactly the same as when Han came to the rescue in A new Hope
Couldn’t get Bottom out of my head when I saw Adrian Edmondson i did groan a little seeing that, but i suppose its only brits that may have this issue
Can someone explain to me how Del Toro betrayed Finn and Rose. One minute hes caught breaking in and then hes on their side having been paid off. I didn't see any mention of the tracking device and confused because Rey had one and another fell on the floor from Leia (right?). How did Del Toro know and tell Phasma where the Rebellion were. think he was just a full chaotic neutral character, he saw profit and made it, and as a slicer\hacker he was able to break the sensor cloak that the rebels were using to mask their ships, which the FO paid handsomly for.
Just up after the midnight screening and not getting in till 4 after an already long day.Mixed views
Far too much comedy. Most of what was supposed to be amusing was ignored by the audience Tis was my main issue with the film
The part where Leia goes into Space was odd. I’ve seen Gravity and I’ve seen what happens when you go into Space. i genuinly thought she was going to be killed off here given her death in life, but the floaty force pull was odd
Didn’t see the point of the Rose character. Kiss with Finn at the end was cringe no massive issue with the character tbh
Did Luke really train Rey? I didn’t see much in the way of training i think she was just a couple of those lessons and thats it, the fact she can still hold her own with a lightsaber still annoys me as you dont just get good at swordfighting
Yoda CGI wasn’t great. thought this too at first but i wonder if it swapped to a puppet after first appearance as seemed much better like empire model
The silence in the part where we went lighspeed into the ship followed by explosion was the same as when Obi Wan was hiding from Slave in attack of the clones. Brilliant for the eyes and ears that part. such a good scene
Far too much suicide going on with characters I didn’t care about. Where as in Rogue One I cared
Did Snoke really say Rey was full of Spunk or something along those lines? yes he did, it was an appropriate word for his point BUT it will be looked upon as funny
Did we really establish who Snoke was? NO and i was really dissapointed here after all this build up
Thought Mark Hamill was brilliant agree
Why did Luke have short hair and a non grey beard when he did his Force Projection thing. think he just wanted to look as he was last time they saw each other re Leia.
3D ruins these films, wearing sunglasses takes the colour out of it for me regardless of how its supposed to work.
Fight scenes were great, space battles were great agree
Pointless stutter thing going on with the Del Toro character
Really enjoyed seeing Carrie and her daughter together on screen
Happy to see Luke and Leia on screen at the sometime given the missed opportunities with Han, Luke and Leia by JJ Abrahms
The Falcon coming to the rescue was exactly the same as when Han came to the rescue in A new Hope
Couldn’t get Bottom out of my head when I saw Adrian Edmondson i did groan a little seeing that, but i suppose its only brits that may have this issue
Can someone explain to me how Del Toro betrayed Finn and Rose. One minute hes caught breaking in and then hes on their side having been paid off. I didn't see any mention of the tracking device and confused because Rey had one and another fell on the floor from Leia (right?). How did Del Toro know and tell Phasma where the Rebellion were. think he was just a full chaotic neutral character, he saw profit and made it, and as a slicer\hacker he was able to break the sensor cloak that the rebels were using to mask their ships, which the FO paid handsomly for.
Edited by oldaudi on Thursday 14th December 09:30
Overall i enjoyed the film and agree with the points above, especially the forced humour, most of the jokes got laughs but a lot felt a bit forced.
I agree with then points above and added in my thoughts in bold.
Watched it at 00:05 this morning. I really enjoyed it, and it sets up an interesting finale. Unlike in ROTJ, here we have apprentice vs apprentice who are now the last remaining force users.
Cineworld suck. The showing failed 5 minutes before the end, so I saw most of the final fight scene, but then by the time the screen came back on it was the end credits. So clearly I missed a key moment.
Cineworld suck. The showing failed 5 minutes before the end, so I saw most of the final fight scene, but then by the time the screen came back on it was the end credits. So clearly I missed a key moment.
After reading all the reviews was so looking forward to this.
3am this morning and whereas in the past I’m thinking let’s see this again this time I’m thinking have I missed something.
Could off been this bit for me
Leia in space, seem wrong on so many points
As soon as main characters can come back from life and from that moment any thrill or tension disappears for me. There was a few off these moments.
If she needed to be out unconscious, could off just been done on the bridge.
Timelines
even Poe was getting annoyed with the lack of anything happening whilst the ship was being attacked
Que with only a few hours left to survive let’s have a spin off mission involving what must take a lot of time. Seemed a poor setup for a future plot?
And how crap is the New Orders space ships weapons.
For me think there was too much put in, possibly to set up future episodes, that didn’t flow or gel rightly. Most films have the odd, ok you need this to move the story on part. But this seemed full of them.
There were some good bits but they felt part of a different movie.
3am this morning and whereas in the past I’m thinking let’s see this again this time I’m thinking have I missed something.
Could off been this bit for me
Leia in space, seem wrong on so many points
As soon as main characters can come back from life and from that moment any thrill or tension disappears for me. There was a few off these moments.
If she needed to be out unconscious, could off just been done on the bridge.
Timelines
even Poe was getting annoyed with the lack of anything happening whilst the ship was being attacked
Que with only a few hours left to survive let’s have a spin off mission involving what must take a lot of time. Seemed a poor setup for a future plot?
And how crap is the New Orders space ships weapons.
For me think there was too much put in, possibly to set up future episodes, that didn’t flow or gel rightly. Most films have the odd, ok you need this to move the story on part. But this seemed full of them.
There were some good bits but they felt part of a different movie.
For me:
Took all the interesting threads from TFA and just dropped most of them, film 9 starts with nearly a clean slate
Killing Snoke without revealing anything of his back story, particularly when so many hints have been left in the books that accompanied the series, also he died like a little b
h
Lots of other things that would normally be explained, not covered at all
Rey having normal parents, and no training, so why is she great at everything? She has literately used everything in a Jedi's arsenal without training. Can hold her own or better in a light sabre battle against somebody who has had decades of training with zero training. Sure child Anakin could pod race, and yes he could fix droids, but he had training in both and the force just enhanced that, he wasn't using force persuade, or using the force to read minds of fellow training force users, and he certainly wasn't beating Darth Maul with a light sabre. Rey is doing all of that, from TFA onwards.
It would have made more sense that Rey was trained at the same time as Kylo by Luke, and Luke decided against training both of them for the same reason, gave Kylo back to Leia/Han, mind wiped Rey and dumped her.
Did Leia ever get any training in the rebooted sequel trilogy universe? That's a pretty advanced power that Vader has used in what is now the legacy stuff. Still looks goofy as fk though, and with Carrie dying they would have been better using that as her out from the rest of the series rather than escaping.
Hux was rebooted into a comedy character
The whole casino plot line could have been dropped along with Rose and DJ. Rose felt like she was added because Finn would be doing his own thing, needed somebody to talk to during those bits, make it a love interest to expand the quadrants targeted by the film, then cast an Asian to help appeal to the Asian market.
Porgs, simple cash in, as was BB-9E
I largely liked the Luke/Rey/Kylo story, however I didn't think much of how Luke was made pointless, and turned into a potential child killer. That really does not sit well, that Luke went to kill a child and then sat on his ass for ~30 years like a scaredy cat. Totally devalues him.
Obviously for the casual fan, most of my complaints won't matter, just the Casino bit that drags and should have been cut, saving ~30 minutes of run time and sharpened up the whole film.
Took all the interesting threads from TFA and just dropped most of them, film 9 starts with nearly a clean slate
Killing Snoke without revealing anything of his back story, particularly when so many hints have been left in the books that accompanied the series, also he died like a little b
hLots of other things that would normally be explained, not covered at all
Rey having normal parents, and no training, so why is she great at everything? She has literately used everything in a Jedi's arsenal without training. Can hold her own or better in a light sabre battle against somebody who has had decades of training with zero training. Sure child Anakin could pod race, and yes he could fix droids, but he had training in both and the force just enhanced that, he wasn't using force persuade, or using the force to read minds of fellow training force users, and he certainly wasn't beating Darth Maul with a light sabre. Rey is doing all of that, from TFA onwards.
It would have made more sense that Rey was trained at the same time as Kylo by Luke, and Luke decided against training both of them for the same reason, gave Kylo back to Leia/Han, mind wiped Rey and dumped her.
Did Leia ever get any training in the rebooted sequel trilogy universe? That's a pretty advanced power that Vader has used in what is now the legacy stuff. Still looks goofy as f
k though, and with Carrie dying they would have been better using that as her out from the rest of the series rather than escaping.Hux was rebooted into a comedy character
The whole casino plot line could have been dropped along with Rose and DJ. Rose felt like she was added because Finn would be doing his own thing, needed somebody to talk to during those bits, make it a love interest to expand the quadrants targeted by the film, then cast an Asian to help appeal to the Asian market.
Porgs, simple cash in, as was BB-9E
I largely liked the Luke/Rey/Kylo story, however I didn't think much of how Luke was made pointless, and turned into a potential child killer. That really does not sit well, that Luke went to kill a child and then sat on his ass for ~30 years like a scaredy cat. Totally devalues him.
Obviously for the casual fan, most of my complaints won't matter, just the Casino bit that drags and should have been cut, saving ~30 minutes of run time and sharpened up the whole film.
Agree with everyone on all counts, I always see the best in films but honestly struggled to understand the gushing reviews. The jarring humour alone was seriously off putting, and I love the lighter side of the Star Wars movies.
It was good, but struggling to see how it's in any way a better film than TFA.
It was good, but struggling to see how it's in any way a better film than TFA.
ukaskew said:
Agree with everyone on all counts, I always see the best in films but honestly struggled to understand the gushing reviews. The jarring humour alone was seriously off putting, and I love the lighter side of the Star Wars movies.
It was good, but struggling to see how it's in any way a better film than TFA.
it has made me wonder if the reviews I read before watching it are honest. I don't think they can be, or they watched a completely different version including different plot lines to me.It was good, but struggling to see how it's in any way a better film than TFA.
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