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highway said:
Whilst I’m enjoying this well enough now, the fact is no one would bother watching it if not for the MCU hook. On its own merits, it’s an overlong, self indulgent episode of the Twilight Zone.
You need to watchJessica Jones
Iron Fist
Daredevil
Luke Cage
The Defenders
It is right on point.
highway said:
Whilst I’m enjoying this well enough now, the fact is no one would bother watching it if not for the MCU hook. On its own merits, it’s an overlong, self indulgent episode of the Twilight Zone.
My wife has watched 4 MCU movies in total and doesn't have the slightest clue of the relevance of the actor playing Pietro, in fact she didn't know 'Hugh Jackman' is technically from the same comic book universe or the whole thing behind the Fox acquisition.Loves the show though, completely hooked by it. She is watching it as essentially a sci-fi series about grief. Which of course it is when you strip away the MCU trimmings.
She only went in because I said it was a limited series of short episodes. By far the worst thing about TV these days is that for the majority you might invest 60+ hours and it either stretches the concept to breaking point whilst moving at a glacial pace, or gets cancelled. This has only required 3 hours over 5 weeks and we know has been written and filmed with a start and an end.
Edited by ch37 on Saturday 13th February 22:20
highway said:
Whilst I’m enjoying this well enough now, the fact is no one would bother watching it if not for the MCU hook. On its own merits, it’s an overlong, self indulgent episode of the Twilight Zone.
I rewatched the first Avenges film. I love it. It’s edited to perfection. The right balance of character, action, plot and humour. The efficient entertainment product which is the trademark of the MCU. The thing is, I also enjoy WandaVision. They’ve taken a risk doing something different, and I’m glad they did. The plot revealing itself from episode four onwards is done in conventional style, but the sitcom stuff has been something we havn’t seen from an action franchise. (Well, it’s a pastiche of stuff we’ve all seen before, but you know what I mean.) I’m fairly sure most of what has happened will turn out to be important, but if not, I’ve still enjoyed the ride.
When we look back I think WandaVision will stay in the memory longer than most of the MCU stuff on Netflix. (Much of which was great.)
highway said:
Whilst I’m enjoying this well enough now, the fact is no one would bother watching it if not for the MCU hook. On its own merits, it’s an overlong, self indulgent episode of the Twilight Zone.
Don’t you think it’s good that Disney are prepared to do something a bit different, and the fans are willing to go along for the ride? It is different. But it’s not good. They, imho, wasted 1/3 of what is a limited number of episodes, with the pastiche. As per my previous post, forget the MCU. On its own, is it good? I like it as it’s free content and I’m steeped in comics lore. But is it good? Well, it’s not great.
Those who think it’s brave- I suspect you’d also enjoy the a big budget show about MCU characters going shopping. Doesn’t make it brave.
I’d be less critical if so much of the total run time hadn’t been used quite as it has. Hopefully the last episodes accelerate the pace and bring a satisfying end.
Those who think it’s brave- I suspect you’d also enjoy the a big budget show about MCU characters going shopping. Doesn’t make it brave.
I’d be less critical if so much of the total run time hadn’t been used quite as it has. Hopefully the last episodes accelerate the pace and bring a satisfying end.
highway said:
I’d be less critical if so much of the total run time hadn’t been used quite as it has. Hopefully the last episodes accelerate the pace and bring a satisfying end.
I doubt there will be an 'end', or at least there will be more questions than answers. This is opening up MCU phase 4 so it'll basically be an introduction.highway said:
It is different. But it’s not good. They, imho, wasted 1/3 of what is a limited number of episodes, with the pastiche. As per my previous post, forget the MCU. On its own, is it good? I like it as it’s free content and I’m steeped in comics lore. But is it good? Well, it’s not great.
Those who think it’s brave- I suspect you’d also enjoy the a big budget show about MCU characters going shopping. Doesn’t make it brave.
I’d be less critical if so much of the total run time hadn’t been used quite as it has. Hopefully the last episodes accelerate the pace and bring a satisfying end.
It doesn’t have to be. Those who think it’s brave- I suspect you’d also enjoy the a big budget show about MCU characters going shopping. Doesn’t make it brave.
I’d be less critical if so much of the total run time hadn’t been used quite as it has. Hopefully the last episodes accelerate the pace and bring a satisfying end.
If you didn’t know the characters very long history, yes it wouldn’t make sense. I don’t think anyone is expecting it to stand alone outside the MCU
it’s basically and end credits scene to a 20+ hour run of movies. As part of the MCU it absolutely works. I think it’s great.
Edited by p1stonhead on Sunday 14th February 07:31
Agnes stuff -
Agnes is more able to do stuff when not near Wanda and when near the barrier than others are. She is not frozen in a loop when Vision finds her, but is just staying still, and she talks and moves even after he zaps her back to a supposed Hexed state. She also happens to be in her Volvo just at the edge of town, where Vision tries to escape the barrier. Is Agnes manipulating Wanda to expand the Hex bubble?
Norm said "Make her stop". He did not say "Make Wanda stop".
Agnes is more able to do stuff when not near Wanda and when near the barrier than others are. She is not frozen in a loop when Vision finds her, but is just staying still, and she talks and moves even after he zaps her back to a supposed Hexed state. She also happens to be in her Volvo just at the edge of town, where Vision tries to escape the barrier. Is Agnes manipulating Wanda to expand the Hex bubble?
Norm said "Make her stop". He did not say "Make Wanda stop".
If might have been worried that we were geeking out a bit too much about it all in here, rest easy:
https://youtu.be/YnTdiQP3nRo?t=494
https://youtu.be/YnTdiQP3nRo?t=494
dxg said:
If might have been worried that we were geeking out a bit too much about it all in here, rest easy:
https://youtu.be/YnTdiQP3nRo?t=494
That is absolutely brilliant. Has brightened up my morning. https://youtu.be/YnTdiQP3nRo?t=494
The Commodore 64 was the first thing I ever bought that cost more than a monthly season ticket.
Been watching this series but first time contributing to this thread. I'm quite a fan of the MCU stuff so was really looking forward to this but I'm sad to say I fall into the first two episodes didn't work for me camp.
I understand they were trying to do something a bit different but I was pretty much ready to give after the first two as were lots of other people I know as it just didn't resonate for me. I think they relied on the huge amount of good will built up for the MCU but it could have backfired massively. I'm glad I stuck with it as it's gotten a lot better but I think they could have done the clever "is this real" thing without making us sit through an hour of boring sitcoms.
Anyway now I've gotten that out of the way the last 3 episodes have been a lot more interesting. Obviously dovetailing into the Marvel multiverse which opens up ALL sorts of exciting possibilities.
I'm going with it's an alternate reality she's created but she is being manipulated by someone else and is not fully in control of it. Her power levels have been ramped up on a massive scale too and are now comparable to her powers in the comics which in my book is a good thing. Too many of the top tier characters have spent a long time being dumbed down in the MCU till now, hopefully this and phase 4 will really see them let lose.
I understand they were trying to do something a bit different but I was pretty much ready to give after the first two as were lots of other people I know as it just didn't resonate for me. I think they relied on the huge amount of good will built up for the MCU but it could have backfired massively. I'm glad I stuck with it as it's gotten a lot better but I think they could have done the clever "is this real" thing without making us sit through an hour of boring sitcoms.
Anyway now I've gotten that out of the way the last 3 episodes have been a lot more interesting. Obviously dovetailing into the Marvel multiverse which opens up ALL sorts of exciting possibilities.
I'm going with it's an alternate reality she's created but she is being manipulated by someone else and is not fully in control of it. Her power levels have been ramped up on a massive scale too and are now comparable to her powers in the comics which in my book is a good thing. Too many of the top tier characters have spent a long time being dumbed down in the MCU till now, hopefully this and phase 4 will really see them let lose.
very goodGuvernator said:
I'm going with it's an alternate reality she's created but she is being manipulated by someone else and is not fully in control of it.
That’s what I’ve been thinking for a few episodes. At first I thought it was her subconscious driven by grief, creating her idea of the ideal life she never had with Vision. I still think that’s part of it, but someone using her grief. For a while I’ve been thinking of how Mastermind manipulated Jean Grey, which lead to her becoming the Dark Phoenix. (She was also grieving in the belief the X-men were dead.). I don’t think they will go that far, but I wouldn’t put it past them. Wanda being the Big Bad of the MCU for a while.
Edited by SpudLink on Tuesday 16th February 16:38
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