Discussion
Bugeyeandy said:
Now, will Avatar the sequel be any good????
I think it will be more of the same, it would be a brave studio exec who changes the formula that made Avatar the number 1 grossing film of all time... I guess we'll have another mining company coming in and 2 battling tribes joining forces against them, or something similar. Let's just hope it doesn't go the same way as the Matrix and be a novel film that spawns awful sequels.Weslake-Monza said:
Other films I really liked were I-Robot and the Island which were hardly new at the time I watched them.
Both very much cut from the same cloth as Avatar, brain out entertainment. I found I-Robot fun and the Island passable but neither were good films that I could recommend.I can't see where they can go for an Avatar sequel apart from more of the same.
Blue Meanie said:
As for your comment with regards to "fashionable to criticise popular films", I don;t think it has anything to do with that. People have said why they didn;t like the film. If you don't like it well there isn't anything we can do about that, is there.
It went beyond that to attacking the people who like the film (though I don't think you did that;))OP. I also enjoyed the film and liked the story. I liked the Gaia working the the concept of linking consciousness together to make a meta creature. I saw it twice, 2nd time in 3d, for me the 3d did not add that much, though it was a novelty.
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It's a funny topic though. I knew when I was going to the film that it wasn't the type of film I usually like and that I'd probably hate it. But I went anyway, only because I was sick of people saying "You've got to go and see it, it's so good!" . I didn't hate it and I didn't really feel totally ripped off for my £6. That came later when it was announced that I was just a mere statistic, just another contributor to the biggest selling movie in the world and to Mr Cameron's retirement fund from which I received in return just an average way to kill 2 hours on a Sunday afternoon. Not like many of those other movies I have watched - some in B&W or no 3D or no sound even - that have moved me and kept me thinking for days afterwards, have made me laugh repeatedly or even caused me to shed a tear.
And that's why I downplay the greatness and importance of this movie.
And that's why I downplay the greatness and importance of this movie.
OP, sorry if my comments came over negative.Each to their own and if you loved the film then thats cool. I will probably buy it on Blu-Ray as it will be a visually awesome film in high def.
However, I felt the need to say that as much as a visually great film this is, it lacks a lot in other areas. The story has been done a thousand times before and followed the Cameron school of money making to a T. Get the boys in with the guns, get the girls in with the love story. Titanic was a crap film, but was harped on about because of the effects and it catered for both sexes. Sound familiar?
However, I felt the need to say that as much as a visually great film this is, it lacks a lot in other areas. The story has been done a thousand times before and followed the Cameron school of money making to a T. Get the boys in with the guns, get the girls in with the love story. Titanic was a crap film, but was harped on about because of the effects and it catered for both sexes. Sound familiar?
I enjoyed Avatar, it's not the greatest film ever made, but I found it entertaining and so did my GF who usually falls asleep during sci-fi films./
The problem with films like this is they tend to be hyped-up beyond all reasonable expectation and people then feel disappointed/ cheated when they find it doesn't live up to it's billing.
The problem with films like this is they tend to be hyped-up beyond all reasonable expectation and people then feel disappointed/ cheated when they find it doesn't live up to it's billing.
Dr Phibes said:
Watched it yesterday and have to say it is just a pretty formulaic action movie with average acting and a paper thin cheese tinted plot, at times it was like watching someone else playing an XBOX 360 game.
I thought that this should've been the new Halo movie. i was just waiting for master chief to pop in half way thru the film and say come on lets finish the fight!
Actually I always find it a little strange when I listen to anyone who's having a bit of a moan about Avatar not being worthy of the hype and/or they can't believe it's the highest grossing movie ever, because they feel it's just a rehash of an story done many times before.
I often find that these people who dislike the movie and moan about it are intelligent and often as not come across as film aficionados. So it can't escape them that the highest grossing and most hyped movie ever is always going to be a rehashed and oft told story... because what the main masses of people out there want is the same safe, faintly recognisable stories just told a little differently. People by and large don't like 'new' and 'different' and if you bring out something truly original it'll almost always flop. There are countless classic and cult movies out there that bombed when they launched because they dared to try something new.
Lets face it, with so much money paid out to make Avatar they where never going to take a risk on an original storyline. Something tried and tested with a no-brainer feel good factor was a safe bet to showcase their new technology and ensure a return on the investment. And besides, for allot of people who went to see this movie and enjoyed it they would argue it was new and different to them because they would never normally watch a sci-fi movie of this type. Avatar's hype and the new technology drew in a whole mass of people that would never normally watch a movie like this, so having a recognisable underlying plot allowed those people to suspend disbelief and enjoy a movie about 10 foot tall blue aliens when normally the most imaginative thing they watch is based in a place called Albert square.
Some movies use an original idea to become fondly remembered classics, but the makers of Avatar have used technology and hype coupled with something familiar to everyone to ensure their films place in history. Because of that it is a masterpiece of film making... it's just not the pure piece of revolutionary story telling that more cultured aficionados would prefer it to be.
I often find that these people who dislike the movie and moan about it are intelligent and often as not come across as film aficionados. So it can't escape them that the highest grossing and most hyped movie ever is always going to be a rehashed and oft told story... because what the main masses of people out there want is the same safe, faintly recognisable stories just told a little differently. People by and large don't like 'new' and 'different' and if you bring out something truly original it'll almost always flop. There are countless classic and cult movies out there that bombed when they launched because they dared to try something new.
Lets face it, with so much money paid out to make Avatar they where never going to take a risk on an original storyline. Something tried and tested with a no-brainer feel good factor was a safe bet to showcase their new technology and ensure a return on the investment. And besides, for allot of people who went to see this movie and enjoyed it they would argue it was new and different to them because they would never normally watch a sci-fi movie of this type. Avatar's hype and the new technology drew in a whole mass of people that would never normally watch a movie like this, so having a recognisable underlying plot allowed those people to suspend disbelief and enjoy a movie about 10 foot tall blue aliens when normally the most imaginative thing they watch is based in a place called Albert square.
Some movies use an original idea to become fondly remembered classics, but the makers of Avatar have used technology and hype coupled with something familiar to everyone to ensure their films place in history. Because of that it is a masterpiece of film making... it's just not the pure piece of revolutionary story telling that more cultured aficionados would prefer it to be.
I'm a film snob (OK I watch the odd foreign language film) and I loved Avatar. Saw it 5 times at the Cinema, a couple of times solo and the rest taking other people along to see it.
Got the DVD last week and watched it in bits on my iPod Touch and then watched it on the telly with my 10 year old daughter, who also loved it but was too scared to see it at the cinema when I took her brother.
I implore people who have only seen the DVD to go see it at the cinema in 3D if you can, as the CGI works better this way. You need the graininess of film on a big screen to kind of blur the difference between real and CGI.
Other CGI fests that I have seen at the cinema ie Transformers and Terminator Salvation looked very real on the big screen but not so good on DVD on a telly as I think DVD is too clean and makes CGI a little too obvious.
Avatar works better as it is mostly CGI, or they have done something to improve the transition but do see it at the flics.
Got the DVD last week and watched it in bits on my iPod Touch and then watched it on the telly with my 10 year old daughter, who also loved it but was too scared to see it at the cinema when I took her brother.
I implore people who have only seen the DVD to go see it at the cinema in 3D if you can, as the CGI works better this way. You need the graininess of film on a big screen to kind of blur the difference between real and CGI.
Other CGI fests that I have seen at the cinema ie Transformers and Terminator Salvation looked very real on the big screen but not so good on DVD on a telly as I think DVD is too clean and makes CGI a little too obvious.
Avatar works better as it is mostly CGI, or they have done something to improve the transition but do see it at the flics.
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