Game of Thrones - vol II - NO SPOILERS
Discussion
HealeyV8 said:
Dany is bad for torching KL?
I had this argument with my misses. As the show is based on late Medieval European times this is normal practice. You want to have a swift time conquering a domian you make an example of the first town by razing it to the ground and killing all the people, women and children included. Other states / cities then surrender without bloodshed. Lets face it Dany had the 7 kingdoms to conquer, it wasn't over with just KL. So for the perceived time period she was following normal mecriful practice and Jon killed her for doing nothing, for the period, wrong.
Except she saw herself as a liberator, not a conquerer. They had already surrendered by that point. I had this argument with my misses. As the show is based on late Medieval European times this is normal practice. You want to have a swift time conquering a domian you make an example of the first town by razing it to the ground and killing all the people, women and children included. Other states / cities then surrender without bloodshed. Lets face it Dany had the 7 kingdoms to conquer, it wasn't over with just KL. So for the perceived time period she was following normal mecriful practice and Jon killed her for doing nothing, for the period, wrong.
Guvernator said:
I think after the immense build up over the last 5-6 seasons, it's just a bit deflating. I don't really have too much of a problem with where most of the characters ended up except perhaps Jamie and Cersie but they way they got to that point wasn't as satisfying as it could and should have been.
Yeah, the actual overall plot structure of the events towards the end was generally good but the writing really let the characters and world that had been built so well in earlier seasons, down.When it was about adapting the book material , the show was excellent. But when it came to writing their own material based around the outline that they were given for the endgame, the showrunners dropped the ball badly.
The writers rushed it along, made characters that had previously been exquisitely well defined become shallow and stupid, gave out copious amounts of plot armour to fan favourites, didn't take the care to make events flow properly and put too much fan-service/humour in. Plus they took something like TWO YEARS to come up with that final season - expectations were sky high.
Plus they dropped the ball with the Battle of Winterfell - what should have been a spectacular climax to the Night King/White Walker arc became a muddled, hard to follow jumble of scenes with no real answers given about any of the mystical stuff which had been sprinkled into the show throughout the earlier seasons (and never to be mentioned again......).
blueg33 said:
When she was writing in the book, i expected her to write "and the father of Ser Brienne of Tarths first child"
Except no one could read it as she shut the book before the ink could dry!I reckon as soon as Jon tells him Jamie is now a long armed pancake, Tormund will be off to KL faster than the armies moved in season 8
Lucas Ayde said:
Plus they took something like TWO YEARS to come up with that final season - expectations were sky high.
Yes, well, you know what deadlines are like. You put it off, and put it off, and then suddenly the deadline is upon you and it's a major panic and you have to cram and rush and beat yourself up for not starting sooner. 
kowalski655 said:
Except no one could read it as she shut the book before the ink could dry!
Smudged ink? Very shoddy. kowalski655 said:
I reckon as soon as Jon tells him Jamie is now a long armed pancake, Tormund will be off to KL faster than the armies moved in season 8
Mmmm, giantess bitty. 
Clockwork Cupcake said:
Lucas Ayde said:
Plus they took something like TWO YEARS to come up with that final season - expectations were sky high.
Yes, well, you know what deadlines are like. You put it off, and put it off, and then suddenly the deadline is upon you and it's a major panic and you have to cram and rush and beat yourself up for not starting sooner. 
The "that's good enough" attitudeThey should have just done it the other way around. Marched first on Kings landing, killed C, then rallied at Winterfell. Drogon could make an independent reappearance, night king death is the ending. king bran is bait. Ayra wins.
Could probably do it in a weekend on final cut pro.
But ultimately it's a business and there is no money in complex endings. The fan has no leverage. Happy ending is the safe bet. Will please the most amount of people. Despite a vocal miniority complaining.
Could probably do it in a weekend on final cut pro.
But ultimately it's a business and there is no money in complex endings. The fan has no leverage. Happy ending is the safe bet. Will please the most amount of people. Despite a vocal miniority complaining.
sambucket said:
They should have just done it the other way around. Marched first on Kings landing, killed C, then rallied at Winterfell. Drogon could make an independent reappearance, night king death is the ending. king bran is bait. Ayra wins.
Could probably do it in a weekend on final cut pro.
But ultimately it's a business and there is no money in complex endings. The fan has no leverage. Happy ending is the safe bet. Will please the most amount of people. Despite a vocal miniority complaining.
So you'd junk the whole storyline about the existential threat to humanity being the most important thing, trying to get everyone to unite to fight it, Cersei's treachery, the rift between her and Jaime, etc, in order to have the big boss fought at the end of the level?Could probably do it in a weekend on final cut pro.
But ultimately it's a business and there is no money in complex endings. The fan has no leverage. Happy ending is the safe bet. Will please the most amount of people. Despite a vocal miniority complaining.
otolith said:
So you'd junk the whole storyline about the existential threat to humanity being the most important thing, trying to get everyone to unite to fight it, Cersei's treachery, the rift between her and Jaime, etc, in order to have the big boss fought at the end of the level?
If I only had the pieces filmed to choose from, and a brief to wrap it up quick with no fuss. yeah. I would. It's not like any of the fancy sub plots were developed in any satisfying way. Might as well finish on a high. I don't think it would make much difference to the tone.The KL episode 5 was a walk in. Episode 6 was admin. Typical mid season fodder. Very odd to have night king die so early on.
You would have to jump through a few time travel hoops and invent some KL peril to make it work, but it is not like S8 doesn't have tenuous plot jumps right now .
Sway said:
It's hardly just "armchair experts". Plenty of professional reviewers are also saying the last two seasons are crap in comparison to what came before. Even guests on Thronecast are pointing out plot holes!
It was amusing the see the disagreements on thronecast, it was clearly enough that it spilled out onto the airtime, there were clearly 'discussions' before air. "armchair experts" is just one of those sad put-downs that snide sorts use on those that don't adhere to the unadulterated love!Butter Face said:
There effectively is no Night Watch, there is no Night King, no worry from the wildlings etc. Jon has gone to be with the wildlings and would likely become their king (The King in the North!)
King beyond the wall. Sandra was Queen in the North (though it sounded like Queen of the North to me), and Branbot 9000 took all the rest. Looks like Ned's 6 kids cleared up! (Blockhead was a foster kid, or ward, as well as being a nephew)I've just listened to the red team review and some things could have bene explained better. It was clear that as soon as the gates open to CB there is no NW left, Tormund is in charge and the wildlings just went home...but there is so much to that. THe 'ending' probably should have had two eps to cover it.
Butter Face said:
chris watton said:
Being the drama queen that I am, I actually deleted this without watching it and all season 8 episodes from my planner. Never to be watched again. What a disappointment to the two year wait and excitement.
That’s pretty dramatic 
Is the inference to be had here that he constructed the whole thing, to then wheel down to Kings Landing and take the throne?
Having a look for the dragon at a later date perhaps suggested he’s partial to the odd baby BBQ as well?
Anyway
Poor old Dragon.
I quite liked the fact that Jon went North of the Wall as de facto King.... this was sign posted way back when in the season when he spent most of his time dodging arrows fired by the ginger lass.
Sansa was always going to end up as Queen of the North.
As for the rest of the episode, I watched it from behind my hands (but not in a ‘mountain crushes some cocky chaps’ skull with his bare hands’ kinda way).
sambucket said:
If I only had the pieces filmed to choose from, and a brief to wrap it up quick with no fuss. yeah. I would. It's not like any of the fancy sub plots were developed in any satisfying way. Might as well finish on a high. I don't think it would make much difference to the tone.
The KL episode 5 was a walk in. Episode 6 was admin. Typical mid season fodder. Very odd to have night king die so early on.
You would have to jump through a few time travel hoops and invent some KL peril to make it work, but it is not like S8 doesn't have tenuous plot jumps right now .
I assume that's the ending in the show is the way that GRRM saw it going in his books... for it to work you have to have the Night King defeated before the events of Kings Landing. The KL episode 5 was a walk in. Episode 6 was admin. Typical mid season fodder. Very odd to have night king die so early on.
You would have to jump through a few time travel hoops and invent some KL peril to make it work, but it is not like S8 doesn't have tenuous plot jumps right now .
It would have been more satisfying had Jon been the one to put both the Night King and Mad Queen down, thus him being the one who ended two threats to the Realm - one from Ice, one from Fire. A certain symmetry about it.
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