Death penalty recipients?

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stitched

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179 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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If the death penalty were re-introduced who do you think should be 'customers'?

Silent1

19,761 posts

241 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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no-one, the risk of killing an innocent person is too high, you can release a wrongly convicted person, you can't bring them back to life.

obob

4,193 posts

200 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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People who kick a dog. wink

AshVX220

5,933 posts

196 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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obob said:
People who kick a dog. wink
Yep, definitely. laugh

On a more serious note, Mira [sp] Hindley and Brady.

The guy that murdured he Soham girls.

I do believe it could be re-introduced but errors in convictions would need to be seriously addressed. I think it could be used where there is 100% gaurentee that the convicted person is guilty of Murder.

Edited by AshVX220 on Thursday 5th August 16:08

andymadmak

14,845 posts

276 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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stitched said:
If the death penalty were re-introduced who do you think should be 'customers'?
Dunno, but based on Home Office statistics, if it ever did get brought back, you can bet the murder rate would fall by half after the first couple of hangings had taken place and it dawned on the criminal scum that broader society had had enough of their behaviour and was prepared to sanction the ultimate personal punishment

OnTheOverrun

3,965 posts

183 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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Anyone given a life sentence, anyone convicted of a terrorist action that resulted in one or more deaths, treason and putting an M3 badge on a 318.

AshVX220

5,933 posts

196 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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OnTheOverrun said:
putting an M3 badge on a 318.
Definitely, however I'd like to extend it to anyone that owns a beamer. wink

Edited by AshVX220 on Thursday 5th August 16:21

bonsai

2,015 posts

186 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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Anyone found guilty of murder.
Anyone who has re-offended afer serving 1 custodial sentence for a violent/sexual offence.
Anyone who has received 2 previous custodial sentences for non-violent offences and is then found guilty of any further offenses.

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

248 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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Anyone seen the Bamber news today?

Don

28,377 posts

290 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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Justayellowbadge said:
Anyone seen the Bamber news today?
Yep. Chances are good that there is evidence that backs his account that was not admitted at the time of his trial and appeals. Evidence that casts reasonable doubt on his conviction.

He's been in 25 years. A lifetime.

If they'd killed him and he's innocent who's guilty of his murder? Because someone should be.

Poor bugger will be institutionalised beyond recovery. He'll need State help for the rest of his days.

Miscarriages of justice would still appear to be rare but they do happen.

E31Shrew

5,940 posts

198 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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AshVX220 said:
obob said:
People who kick a dog. wink
Yep, definitely. laugh

On a more serious note, Mira [sp] Hindley and Brady.

The guy that murdured he Soham girls.

I do believe it could be re-introduced but errors in convictions would need to be seriously addressed. I think it could be used where there is 100% gaurentee that the convicted person is guilty of Murder.

Edited by AshVX220 on Thursday 5th August 16:08
Think you'll find she's popped her clogs already!

jmorgan

36,010 posts

290 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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Too many people are being found innocent many years later for it to be re introduced.

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

210 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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Those little pieces of crap that are in and out of jail all the time and are the constant bain of society


andymadmak

14,845 posts

276 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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Don said:
Justayellowbadge said:
Anyone seen the Bamber news today?
Yep. Chances are good that there is evidence that backs his account that was not admitted at the time of his trial and appeals. Evidence that casts reasonable doubt on his conviction.

He's been in 25 years. A lifetime.

If they'd killed him and he's innocent who's guilty of his murder? Because someone should be.

Poor bugger will be institutionalised beyond recovery. He'll need State help for the rest of his days.

Miscarriages of justice would still appear to be rare but they do happen.
I doubt he'd have been found guilty today. The system would work better with a death penalty these days
And the arugment that says one innocent life lost cos of an incorrect death sentence (assuming that were ever to happen given todays standards of evidence) ignores the 300 - 400 EXTRA innocent people who are murdered each year as a result of the rise in the murder rate per million head of population following the abolition of the death penalty

otolith

58,722 posts

210 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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AshVX220 said:
Mira [sp] Hindley
I should think she's a bit manky by now, she's been dead eight years.

glazbagun

14,451 posts

203 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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Silent1 said:
no-one, the risk of killing an innocent person is too high, you can release a wrongly convicted person, you can't bring them back to life.
I agree. Except in cases like this:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=14&...

rudecherub

1,997 posts

172 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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Don said:
Justayellowbadge said:
Anyone seen the Bamber news today?
Yep. Chances are good that there is evidence that backs his account that was not admitted at the time of his trial and appeals. Evidence that casts reasonable doubt on his conviction.

He's been in 25 years. A lifetime.

If they'd killed him and he's innocent who's guilty of his murder? Because someone should be.

Poor bugger will be institutionalised beyond recovery. He'll need State help for the rest of his days.

Miscarriages of justice would still appear to be rare but they do happen.
Because the Police / CPS can shrug there shoulders and say let's not tell the whole truth here, it's not like they are going to hang him...

But if Captial punishment was in effect then the legal situation IMO would be very different, by 'fitting' an innocent person up and getting them executed - those responsible are themselves guilty of murder.

I think the knowledge that failing to reveal evidence could result in charges of murder would concentrate the mind, and innocent people would be less likely to be convicted.

rudecherub

1,997 posts

172 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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Silent1 said:
no-one, the risk of killing an innocent person is too high, you can release a wrongly convicted person, you can't bring them back to life.
Damn you're right I will throw away my car keys straight away, I can't possibly drive my car knowing that the chances of innocents dying in their hundreds every year as a direct result of the freedom to drive, the chances of innocents dying is too high.

I'm also going to stop them building any tall buildings too, death's in major construction projects are inevitable, life is too precious, it's beyond price...

And growing food. Agriculture is one of the most dangerous industries ,. stop Farmers now!

tank slapper

7,949 posts

289 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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andymadmak said:
And the arugment that says one innocent life lost cos of an incorrect death sentence (assuming that were ever to happen given todays standards of evidence) ignores the 300 - 400 EXTRA innocent people who are murdered each year as a result of the rise in the murder rate per million head of population following the abolition of the death penalty
That is a massive oversimplification - Correlation does not equal causation.

There have been enormous societal changes in the same period which could just as easily explain the difference.

MiniMan64

17,428 posts

196 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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OnTheOverrun said:
anyone convicted of a terrorist action that resulted in one or more deaths.
Don't most terrorists these days take care of that themselves?