US Elections 2012 Obama v Romney Official Thread

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Captain Cadillac said:

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I was listening to NPR this morning on the way to work

No! Not you!

Funnily enough I find it to be pretty impartial. They are also having local debates between the parties that can get heated but are well argued (by both sides) and much better to listen to than the one sided rhetoric one normally hears. They also broadcast BBC world service which gives a very balanced and in depth review of global events.

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Captain Cadillac said:

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Captain Cadillac said:

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I was listening to NPR this morning on the way to work

No! Not you!

Funnily enough I find it to be pretty impartial. They are also having local debates between the parties that can get heated but are well argued (by both sides) and much better to listen to than the one sided rhetoric one normally hears. They also broadcast BBC world service which gives a very balanced and in depth review of global events.

I used to listen to them a bit (I can't forgive them for firing Bob Edwards), I do like Car Talk but rarely get a chance to listen anymore. TBH my car time is usually gobbled up by Howard Stern. BBC is great, but I also get it on Sirius/XM.

My father was either listening to NPR or Sports Talk radio in the car, and he was a die hard Republican.

I had sirius free for 3 months in the XJ when I got it eight months ago and in my Camaro when I got it in 2010. I liked it, especially the fact that I could get the BBC but was too mean to pay the subscription when the free period ended. In fairness to me I have Bowers and Wilkins audio in the Jag and it's frickin awesome so I mainly listen to music on my ipod or stream it from the iphone when I'm in that. My other cars are too old for satellite.

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I don't think Reagan would fit into the current GOP. Far too liberal.

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davepoth said:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/0...

I guess these numbers will get confirmed tomorrow, but they really don't look good for Romney.

Yep. Latest polls show a bigger than expected bounce for Obama.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/presi...

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Good article here;

http://www.salon.com/2012/09/10/barack_obama_is_wi...

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davepoth said:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/09/obam...

I found this story interesting. First off because I really can't imagine Romney being cool with this, but mainly because the guy is a registered Republican who voted for Obama in 2008 and is intending to again in 2012. Registered Republicans are not a group that the Republican candidate should have trouble attracting.

I think we will find that there are a lot of genuine decent republicans who are pretty disinchanted with the way the tea party have hijacked the GOP and taken it to the extreme right. Ryan on the ticket probably sealed the deal for them. Some may vote for Obama, some may not vote.

There are some key senate seats where good republicans were outed in the primaries by the tea party in favour of an extremist. A good case in point is in Indiana where long standing and highly respected republican senator Dick Lugar was ousted by a reptilian character named Richard Mourdock. Mourdock is fond of saying things like "To me the highlight of politics, frankly, is to inflict my opinion on someone else" and "bipartisanship ought to consist of Democrats coming to the Republican point of view". The good news is that Mourdock's candidacy has taken a seat that was an absolute lock for Lugar and put it into play for the democrats.

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davepoth said:

Now, now Jim, you know better than that - if you make a statement, back it up, or I send your post to the fact checkers.

Republicans don't care about facts. As senior Romney campaign bod Neil Nedwhouse said last week;

“We’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers.”

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Guam said:

...those guys live with the fear of a Kennedy or Regan on their watch.

Jack "you're nicked" Regan? Don't think they need to worry about him.

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CNN poll out tonight has moved from tie to Obama by 6.

Looks like the dems got a bigger than expected lift from the conventions. We shouldn't really be surprised. As well as a strong speech by the President we also had great inspirational speeches by Castro, Warren, Villaraigosa, Clinton, Baldwin and many others that strongly endorsed Obama and his policies. Contrast that with a lacklustre RNC where key speakers like Christie and Rubio hardly mentioned Romney and used their speeches purely to position themselves for 2016!

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More good news for the good guys. Obama raised more money than Romney in August. Expect that trend to continue in Sept and Oct.

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speedy_thrills said:

How much does it cost to buy a vote? I've always wondered those billboards and radio advertisements actually make anyone change their mind.

Here it's TV that matters. And there are political ads in every break at present. People like the Koch brothers and Shelson Adelson obviously think it works because they've given tens of millions to Romney hoping he'll get elected and do what he promises, raise taxes on the middle classes and slash them for billionaires. Fortunately enough little people are giving $10 or $20 to Obama so the dems are able to buy equal airtime to be able to rebut the lies.

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stevejh said:

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CNN poll out tonight has moved from tie to Obama by 6.

Looks like the dems got a bigger than expected lift from the conventions. We shouldn't really be surprised. As well as a strong speech by the President we also had great inspirational speeches by Castro, Warren, Villaraigosa, Clinton, Baldwin and many others that strongly endorsed Obama and his policies. Contrast that with a lacklustre RNC where key speakers like Christie and Rubio hardly mentioned Romney and used their speeches purely to position themselves for 2016!

Perhaps it would be better to wait for a poll that isn't skewed towards the Democrats before jumping to conclusions. CNN say the sampling was 50/45/5 Democrats/Republicans/Independents so a 6% Democrat lead isn't too surprising.

LOL. The Rush Limbaugh logic. Polls don't count if a majority of people polled would vote for the other side. You won't find an independent poll that randomly polls a selection of people and finds that 50% are republicans. If you do be very suspicious because 50% of Americans are not republicans. 50/45/5 in favour of the democrats probably pretty accurately reflects the voting intentions of the country right now. Expect the 45 to fall..

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Countdown said:

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Here it's TV that matters. And there are political ads in every break at present. People like the Koch brothers and Shelson Adelson obviously think it works because they've given tens of millions to Romney hoping he'll get elected and do what he promises, raise taxes on the middle classes and slash them for billionaires.

Just wondering what Adelson et al are expecting in exchange for their million dollar donations

Aldeson? About $2.3 billion in tax breaks according to MSNBC tonight. No wonder Sheldon's been happy to stump up $100 million for Romney!!!

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Somebody mentioned swing states and battlegrounds.

According to RCP Obama is up in the following states;

New Hampshire
Michigan
Pennsylvania
Ohio
Florida
Wisconsin
Iowa
Nevada
Colorado

Romney is up in;

Virginia
Missouri
North Carolina

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stevejh said:

Could Obama's response to the murders in Libya have an effect on the election?

Obama has obviously already responded and strongly condemned the attacks and praised Ambassador Stevens, who seems to have been a great guy and someone who genuinely cared for Libya nd the Libyans.

The people involved in this attack seem to have been a small faction of pro Gadhafi loyalists. People have been quick to condemn Lybians for the attack but that would really make no more sense than condemning the people of Northern Ireland for the atrocities of the IRA or the residents of Aurora for the acts of a lunatic.

Obama's response will be measured and appropriate.

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What we do know is that Romney's response was as disgusting as it was predictable. Even on 9/11 faced with this tragedy the repugnant draft dodger couldn't resist trying to use it to make a cheap political point.

Draft dodger said:

“I'm outraged by the attacks on American diplomatic missions in Libya and Egypt and by the death of an American consulate worker in Benghazi," Romney said in the statement. "It's disgraceful that the Obama Administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.”

This man made no mention of the troops in Afghanistan in his convention speech, later described them as "unimportant", has not the slightest grasp of foreign policy or the intricacies of diplomacy and yet feels able to pontificate and condemn those who do. He's a disgrace.

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The White House have denied that a meeting was even requested -

White House spokesperson said:

“Contrary to reports in the press, there was never a request for Prime Minister Netanyahu to meet with President Obama in Washington, nor was a request for a meeting ever denied.”

At this delicate time I would have thought that Obama would want to keep Netanyahu at arms length. And what are Netanyahu's motives for trying to stir the pot? Perhaps he would prefer a more pliable, gullible and inexperienced POTUS who he can bully. Because he clearly can't bully this President.

They are even asking questions back home. As Shaul Mofaz says;

Shaul Mofaz said:

“Mr. Prime Minister, tell me, who is our biggest enemy, the US or Iran? Who do you want replaced, Ahmadinejad or Obama?” Mofaz asked in the plenum. “How low are you prepared to drag relations with our closest ally?”

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The White House spokesman says one thing, some journo says another. The desperate republican chooses to believe some journo. Or to be precise, the source "An Israeli official, who declined to be identified"

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davepoth said:

Obama's response is so far not an issue. Romney on the other hand seems to have gaffed again.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/0...

If this campaign is about to become a bit more about foreign policy, it seems he has a bit of a problem.

Romney's actions over the past 24 hours have just served to underline how utterly unfit for office he is. I have not heard a single person agree with his ludicrous statement and many republicans have distanced themselves from it. For a candidate to try and use a national tragedy for political advanatage is appalling and anyone who claims to support this idiot should be embarrassed.

A senior Romney aide, Dan Senor is on CNN right now trying to spin what his boss said and wiggling like a fish on a hook.

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stevejh said:

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CNN poll out tonight has moved from tie to Obama by 6.

Looks like the dems got a bigger than expected lift from the conventions. We shouldn't really be surprised. As well as a strong speech by the President we also had great inspirational speeches by Castro, Warren, Villaraigosa, Clinton, Baldwin and many others that strongly endorsed Obama and his policies. Contrast that with a lacklustre RNC where key speakers like Christie and Rubio hardly mentioned Romney and used their speeches purely to position themselves for 2016!

Perhaps it would be better to wait for a poll that isn't skewed towards the Democrats before jumping to conclusions. CNN say the sampling was 50/45/5 Democrats/Republicans/Independents so a 6% Democrat lead isn't too surprising.

LOL. The Rush Limbaugh logic. Polls don't count if a majority of people polled would vote for the other side. You won't find an independent poll that randomly polls a selection of people and finds that 50% are republicans. If you do be very suspicious because 50% of Americans are not republicans. 50/45/5 in favour of the democrats probably pretty accurately reflects the voting intentions of the country right now. Expect the 45 to fall..

Here you go. Yet another poll showing Obama up by 5 points. This time it's from those liberal pinkos at FOX News! Rotten commie bds with their pro Obama rigged polls.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/12/fox-new...